I've done a bit of trading withThurston Hunger in the past, and am engaged in some now. He's a good guy, I assure you. I've reccommended this forum to him a number of times (a reccommendation I stand by), and he finally joined.

The uncensored attitude of this place, and the fact that you have to navigate through occaisional rough humour, or sometimes straight abuse (in certain rare and extreme cases, not this one. Don't get all pissed at me!) isn't to everyone's liking. It's very rare, in fact, in my experience. I love it, personally, but it's not to everyone's taste. I think that's fair enough.

I assure you Thurston Hunger is a decent, nice and reliable chap and a genuine Sonic Youth fan. I think it's a shame he feels the way he does - my attitude is to engage in the banter and take on the (I stress, very rare) nastier types, but I respect his choice if it's not for him.

I'm going to sit on the fence, and give love to both sides.

an example of proper attitude from the priest himself..

yey!

Well, I'll give you a truncated version.

(See what I did there? Eh? Eh?)

By making the decision to post on a public forum, one agrees to both be held accountable for his actions, and to subject himself to the actions of others, with, in all reality, no moderation. There is no mandate of civility on such a medium. By 'imposing' your words upon others, you agree as well to be imposed upon. You have every right not to approve of the opinions or statements put forth, but this is a mutual condition - not everyone has to like you, either.

Would HaydenAsche have held the same negative opinion of Thurston Hunger, regardless of whether he voiced it? Of course. Is frankness preferable to falsification? In my personal opinion, yes, it is.

I appreciate Gooey, and others like him, because they unabashedly voice their opinions, and accept all consequences. I do not respect those who edit themselves for the sake of diplomacy.

The bottom line is, Thurston Hunger essentially shouldn't be bothered with whether or not HaydenAsche, or anyone, approves of his posting; they're not obligated to approve. If encountering opposition makes this forum objectionable to Thurston Hunger, then he can exercise his option to leave and I would, in fact, encourage him to do so.

Why are people so opposed to a bit of healthy debate? Heated discourse? Conflict? Without these, what, I ask, is the point in interacting with others at all?

If I wanted unflagging consensuses, I would simply talk to myself.

(Save your comments.)

The moment disagreements or arguments raise their respective heads on this forum, a number of people complain about it having soured or turned unpleasant. If you folks are looking for a circle jerk, there are plenty of other places to find one other than here.

Yes, kudos to Hip Priest for an unclouded assessment of the situation. The man is almost annoyingly logical and intelligent.

heard.

Hip Priest You Are So Hip

lets go drink some beers, i'll let you talk my ear off, but i won't shut up either :D

Wow, I guess Hayden is delusional. Is this HIS forum? lol

i vote yes. you are out.

it's avril lavigne's world, we're just living in it.

^That was great.

i'm keepin this shit going till Big Brother starts next week. yer all cunts!?!

(ur it)

I'm gonna be brief. It isn't my territory nor was I even implying that. If you inferred it because of your low intellect level that is your problem. I'll rephrase what I said in way maybe you can understand it.

You were being a twat when I am usually the one being a twat. It was a sarcastic comment and I didn't mean anything by it.

40,000 threads about how mean I am and people not liking me is just fucking absurd. Get a fucking life. If you don't like me then LEAVE. No one said you had to like me.

Again, you are all fucking incompetent.

i agree with everything you say...
but hayden calling everyone cunts is not a bit of healthy debate..
replying "fuck you"s to intelligent conversations is not sarcasm, humor or heated discourse..

everyone is entitled to their opinion..
full stop.