Says the guy that, moments ago, praised myself for wisdom of seeing beyond the all good and all bad of a thing and insinuated that !@#$%! (I assume really at me through proxy) are blind to this.

Yeah, it's okay if you piss him off here. Just don't piss him off if you see him coming down the street and he's packing.

Much respect for yr thoughts & beliefs. I overstand the reasoning behind the decision not to own a gun. It is a touchy subject, but others have the freedom to worry about what threats there are in life, & if they want to own a fire-arm to protect themselves from them.

As though every gun buyer sits down and has a deep self-reflection before purchasing a gun. I still stand by my point that gun ownerships breeds a self-sustaining environment of anxiety easy to turn violent accidently or otherwise.

The choice to own a gun is the choice to tell one's community that he or she fears them.

To be honest, I don't own a weapon of any kind, but as usual you all overlook my argument that freedom of choice is better than a set law that everyone has to abide by. & generally people can make the right decision when it comes to something as simple as when to shoot a gun & when not to shoot a gun.

It's much like nuclear proliferation. The more gun ownership out there, the more likelihood of violence.

It's insane.

I was just stating that for effect.

My point is that proliferation of gun ownership breeds violence. It's inevitable. It just seems to me that the saner direction in life is toward nonviolence, and I see purchasing a gun as a step in the wrong direction.

I can agree w/ those sentiments. Non-violence is the more wise decision, but again, different scenario's & circumstances dictates different decisions, & results.

Okay, well let's call an end to this thread at six pages. I think we've about exhausted the arguments.

Peace, everyone.

I could not agree more. It's been fun though. Haha (gotta laugh every now & then)

Eh, I'm not going to go anymore into arguing the validity of libertarianism.

Either way, England and the rest of the world (Australia and Germany represented in the link) still dig our gun-totting badassness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNtjSH750Js

We could so wipe out England in one fell swoop. It wouldn't even be funny.

I don't know why Condoleeza hasn't already thought to do it.

its not "liberal sided". i can buy a pro-gun argument. i just need it to be a good one.


he's not a yankee. he's from tennessee. where gun-toting is a god-given right.


exactly. but there are places and locations when i'm a coward-- driving a lonely highway at 3am for example-- and i might want to have a pistol handy.



ha ha ha ha ha ha ha--- exactly.



smart man.

but you do occasionally shit your pants in terror, don't you? i mean, we all do, as humans...

well not shitting literally of course-- but the hairs on the back of the neck standing up & shit--- it happens. mostly it's just a racoon going through the trash or shit like that-- ha ha ha

Fear is valid when there's a reason. It's a protective reaction. But it's bad to fear something that isn't an actual threat, or at least an immediate threat.

Like getting caught for avoiding taxes. Psh.

aight so if we're being serious

i don't even know why i own a gun, because the only way i would be protected is if i carried it in my purse which i will never ever do. and being that it's very unlikely that someone would try and break into my apartment given the secureness of the building and the location, especially if i was there, there's no way i would ever need to use it anyway. it just sits at the top of a closet in a box.
my grandpa's rifle is another story, i have it because i'm the only grandchild and he has no sons.

is he the one who went senile & did all kinds of crazy shit for which hayden said something like he was an original american genius?

no, the other one.

THAT grandpa has never owned a gun in his life, he has dementia, which affects the decision making part of the brain. the craziest thing he did was burn the house down because he put some oil in a pan on the burner and left it on while he mowed the lawn, but he does other things like puts ground meat in the kitchen cabinets instead of the fridge, thinks it's okay to make a left on red etc etc. but he's a great grandpa.

i'd like to hear more stories from him. didn't he used to do weird shit to save money or something? why was it that hayden called him a genius?

oh, he made my dad and the other 5 kids use national geographics for shin guards when they played soccer and sled on cardboard boxes. he's cheap.

ah ha ha ha-- brilliant.