pole dancing is great exercise

you know plenty of males who raise children and you see a lof of change happening. then again, you are probably based on what you have seen in your corner of the western developed world, which does not equal the reality for the majority at all.

like i said, if im going to base my opinions in the environment in which i live, i would say society is not sexist or homophobic, but i gotta see beyond that.

changes are good yes, but we can't assume the exception is the rule.

the majority of people live in china, where girl babies are snuffed out to allow for a male baby, and in India, where the women are foxy.

indian women are beautiful.

I don't know exactly what you are all talking about now but, once, a feminist history major (that is, a history major that self-identified as a feminist) asked me if I'm gay because I didn't want to hook up with her. Obviously, males are biologically driven at all times to sex, be it gay or straight. Obviously.

no no, you missed the part where i said i wasn't being prescriptive, this is where scientificism is confused with science. my point is more subtle, maybe i didn't make that clear. i'm refuting the dangerous and naive notion that culture determines everything, but i'm not saying that biology dictates everything either.

scientificists (my term, i admit) are "naturalizers" in the sense that they misunderstand science as giving us ethical mandates, as an ersatz religion. "it's in your genes, go kill people"-- no. no no no. that is fucked and wrong. i loathe that as much too. same with people who say "you're a male, you have balls, you must go and fuck a woman and beget children". "you're a woman, nature commands that you raise children". fuck no. it's not a fucking legal mandate.

but there IS a lot of behavior that is bred over millions of years and there are instinctual urges and behaviors that are central to what we are. now remember, in evolution theory diversity and mutation play a very important role, it's not all squares and straight lines. evolution is based on bad copies. so there is a genetic drift that is always taking us to new places. and that is vital to our survival-- getting stuck means death.

now, like with domesticated animals, you can cut a bull's testes and make him pull a plow for the rest of his life. a lot of our berserker genes now watch or play sports and trade in the stock market. removing those berserker genes completely is impossible-- you can only domesticate them and hope for the best.

so, culture bends the original genetic impulse, does not completely transform.

if neuroscience is telling us anything these days it's that kant was partially right-- we're not a tabula rasa, we have a lot of our knowledge preprogrammed from birth.

so even as we alter our education and social policies to obtain the results we want (before genetic engineering takes over), we need to take into account the raw material-- the raw material wasn't cooked up by the elite, the empire, the dead white male, the man, the schools-- the raw material is this huuuuge miasma of genes that we share with our ape cousins. 99% of it we share with chimps in fact.

tl;dr

those changes have more to do with structural economic changes. in my own 3rd world country of birth a lot has changed from my grandparent's generation based simply on the fact the needs of the economy change and that more women are in university careers today than there are men (same here in 'merica by the way). gender roles are mostly a matter of economics-- except in the land of the ayatollah where fuckwads rule by decree.

all you do is moan on about something. give it a rest your boring people.

ha ha-- wasn't directed at you, no worries.

gender issues are quite amorphous.
there are plenty of people to whom their gender is an inbred part of themselves. This is evident in the people who, though physically and gentically male or female, "feel" in their heads, ussually since a very young age, that their physical gender does not equate with their philosophical gender.

in those cases it is ussually cultural/societal pressures that act, and have acted, to keep these people in their respective physical gender, causing much mental trauma.

Many female feminists have strong reactions from women who deeply feel that they are nurturers/mothers first. these women has just as much right to be the typical "woman" as femenists have to ignore or challenge the typical "woman" role. Can there ever be a consensus between them?

are you saying your inbred?

huh?

case in point.

i think yr taking one word out of context brodudeski

you've come a long way, baby.

inbred, as in inherent from birth/conception.

Many people try to negate this aspect of gender to further their fight against homosexuals. They say that it is a "lifestyle" or a "choice" and can be eradicated through prayer, or church, or drugs or therapy.
yet these same people woudl never think their heterosexuality is anything but "god given". morons abound.

Kurt Vonnegut said in his SlaughterHhouse 5 that Trafalmadorians saw 7 genders in humans. There are people in southeast asia whose whole cultures believe there are 5 genders in humans.

where does the didactic western view of gender, and nearly everything else, come from if not western religiojns yes/no, good/bad division?

just curious.

he's a bit of a retard with words, but in this case he's just trying to get attention by being a pest-- he hates it when other people have fun.

i like long ranting threads with robinstigator, glice, pbradely, fiend, satana, & all manner of bordies-- & too bad sway is not here to dish out his "folk philosophy" ha ha ha. plus the bot flotterz to keep shit always slightly surreal.

so anyway, let's maybe continue.

no serious.

see its a bit like that when you moan on about people not being fun, mr laugh a minute. why dont you try actually being a bit more friendly and that way we can all get along without any of this childish stuff. unless thats too diificult for you to understand?

you're the one chasing me around the board like you did with kegmama and truncated, or like you do with satan or rob, you fucking human mosquito. i'm friendly with friendly people, but if you wanna be a twat to me or my "internet friends", then here's your motherfucking harvest.

so i guess the biological argument would imply that a serial killer deserves no punishment because he/she is not biologically capable of respecting life? is it ok to be a racist/xenophobe because of the argument that humans are biologically defensive and suspicious of different groups? is it ok to be a rapist because allegedly it is your instinct to reproduce?

also, all evidence suggests that this idea is not complete, and gender conditioning actually plays the major role. A male transgender could have the same levels or hormones that some are claiming that determine their behaviour.

As for men always being wired for sex, I think we all know that is a myth. Men grow up to talk about sex more openly, but they are also extremely repressed and it is part of their gender role to ACT like they are always thinking about sex. Libido varies a lot from person to person, due to many reasons.

The way that people simplify things all the time as if they had all the answers.

And yes, the majority of the people are in China or India where baby girls are thrown in rubbish bins on a regular basis. So let's not even begin implying that women's rights are irrelevant at this point.

He's a Marxist! Burn the Marxist!

And in defence of Jon (who neither needs nor wants defending, I'd imagine) I appreciate his contribution more than most people's here. His humour isn't lost on me, which most people's is. This is due to my sense of humour more than anything, because there are some 'hilarious' posters who just strike me as written dogshit.

I'll get back to this thread after a cup of tea.

i think punishing a sociopath is pointless, as sociopaths have no conscience and feel no guilt. i would think that you want to REMOVE the sociopath from society if you wish to be practical. the relatives of the victims may demand blood however. are you for the death penalty?


humans are indeed biologically defensive and suspicious, but they can be domesticated into getting along. apparently, babies are able to recognize "racial" traits from infancy, but it's not yet clearly determined if this is genetic or if they pick up cues from parents. they are good at distinguishing between the mother tongue and foreign languages in the cradle though (neuroscience experiments reveal that), so i wouldn't be surprised if the facial recognition firmware in our brain is imprinted.

this is no excuse for undomesticated animals trying to live in society however. having rampant racists roaming is a failure to civilize people.


i dont know what you mean by this but transgender biology is much more complex than "hormones". it is often
related to genetics and hormons at the fetal level and how the brain develops. male hormones on a male brain cause one thing. male hormones on a female brain cause another.

by the way, it's a known fact that women with higher testosteron levels are hornier, and some women who lack sexual desire get prescribed supplements of... testosterone!

we all have testosterone and estrogen and other hormones by the way. how we turn out is a matter of ratios and interactions that are strongly individual in the end.


How do you mean? We are ALL wired for sex. You think women don't get horny?


depends-- in some places men don't talk at all. and i know plenty of bawdy, horny, loudmouth women who discuss their sexuality openly.


ok, there may be some measure of social pressure when you're maybe 13 to act like you're all horny when maybe you wanna be talking about your stamp collection. yes there is social pressure to CONFORM. but there's social pressure to conform about all kinds of things, not just sex-- money, war, social class, clothing, etc. the human herd instinct is strong.


right, so don't oversimplify it by attributing it all to "social conditioning" is what i'm saying.


whoa, i haven't claimed anywhere that women's rights are irrelevant. i hope this wasn't directed at me? there's a lot to be done in this area-- from female circumcision to human sex trafficking to child prostitution to mandatory burkhas to unequal pay to discriminatory health care (don't get me started on abortion being cut out of national health care), women are getting fucked over in a bad way in many places all over the world. but you can fight for the right of women and love to see their naked pictures. what's wrong with the human body? especially this one?



i mean! look at her!

does my enjoyment of this picture translate in me supporting the mutilation of african girls???? fuck the hell no!

marx was awesome! i just don't believe in his hegelian prophecies.

ok, i need to get to work.

i came



holy shit.


what a woman.

guess that is too difficult for you to understand. merely trying to stop all this pettiness but i guess you have a hard time with that. you shouldnt take the bait, its too easy. if you really wanted to make me look like a fool you wouldnt respond to it now would you.

Ha! This thread has gone all borderline.

they normally do.

boob-ies, boob-ies, boob-ies Bring back the boobies!

Where are the boobies? :confused:

oh sorry i got carried away looking at lesbian porno

i may sound like the voice of reason here but NO PORN! some people are in places they cant look at porn so for the good of everyone dont post it.

neither is posting intelligently it seems.

I did that shitty thing on MSPaint in less than a minute!

well done you.