people can not coverup the truth forever
especially not from the camera's

the more is opened and exposed
the more americans are aware of what place they live in

and so can better act in on the emergency situations



the thruth will allways come to the surface
billion camera's in the streets
news channels reporting 24h on 24h

lolol turns out the "sandy hook father" doesn't have a kid at sandy hook but at another elementary a mile away from there. he didn't lie about it though, the people who found the video just made the assumption. anyway, same difference.

Same difference? Hardly. In fact, I know have lost most of my respect for that man to have manipulated people's sentiments. What a prick.. Shit, at MY school we've been on lockdown before, hardly the same thing as having been on lock down at Sandy Hook while a gunman walked around shooting kids and teachers :(

reading comprehension man. IT WASN'T HIM WHO LIED. i said that in my post.

here the full story:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/02/07/bill_stevens_sandy_hook_father_viral_gun_rights_de fense_isn_t_actually_the.html

if you read that you'll see it was actually the man himself who clarified the public's error.

he's addressing his legislature (that ain't "congress" either)

his daughter was 1 mile away from the shooting.

Are you following the Doner story in California? EXLAPD officer getting revenge against a nazi (literally) LAPD? Wouldn't surrpise me if this is a psyop so the State has an excuse to track all vets and military.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...omen-shot.html

How to annoy SuchFriends:

Rant and rave about guns, meanwhile in all the cities in America where people REALLY are getting shot, people want less guns, all the safest cities in America people are clamoring about more guns for their safety.

Haha, that is classic American logic (i.e. stupid) ;)



Besides of which, speaking of the President completely scoffing and disregarding the Constitution (oh, that dude reads it, but its like we've known since 1776, that document isn't worth even just wiping your ass with it), Bytor, you should be careful with all that dissing the Administration, you do realize that Barry got a hit list with American citizens on it right?

Someone just got shot at Florida Atlantic University - - while wielding a knife.

fucking LAPD. goddamn fascists man, opening fire on people who did not even pose a threat, Two women in hospital, their truck shot all to shit. reactionary violence.

soon the cops will be the only ones who have these, except for Ted Nugent and his buddies.

(a) Why exactly should even the cops have these? Many folks here in LA especially ascribe to the conspiracy that the infamous North Hollywood Bank robbery in the mid-90s was in fact a CIA set-up to militarize the police force. LAPD didn't have machine guns, the robbers did, and they CLOWNED the police. After that, ALL the police in LA County began carrying machine guns in their trunks (isn't that by definition special weapons and tactics, how are regular patrol officers certified to carry these??) and alas, the number of police related killings EXPLODED. These cops are armed to the teeth, two or three pistols mandatory (BY LAW), two shotguns in the car, and two MP5s in the trunk. WHAT THE FUCK??? NO MORE MACHINE GUNS FOR TRAFFIC COPS!!! How the hell one police unit just put over THIRTY bullet holes in the back of a newspaper delivery truck yesterday morning? Oh right, the police had machine guns. Praise the LORD that that 71 year old lady only got SHOT IN THE BACK TWICE, but is going to survive (hopefully) :(



(b)Besides of which, Rob, Bytor, what, do you guys HONESTLY think that if the government declared martial law or even if just some crooked cops were roaming your neighborhood that even with a damned mini-gun like the Terminator you'd be able to "defend" yourself against them? Haha, what a fantasy, alas, there is a term for such behavior and it is not defense or heroism, it is called SUICIDE BY COP ;)

suchfriends, we very well could defend ourselves.

In Houston TX there are around 6,000 cops, maybe 2000 of them being desk jockeys and old guys. There are upwards of 4 MILLION people. How do 6 thousand cops defeat a million armed citizens? they do NOT.

Haha, that is such a deranged fantasy, ask John Brown about those "people rise up" scenarios. I will reiterate it to you so you can understand clearly, SUICIDE BY COP. Alas, even if y'all manage to kill a few HUNDRED cops, what, you don't think the US has a big enough cavalry ;)

We'll get the Texas National Guard to fight the cops! ha!

BTW, John Brown was not living in martial law, military state conditions. he was more of a revolutionary, going at it with his abolitionist followers. That is a different situation.

And trying to inspire unarmed slaves to revolt.

Not long now, soon all the bad guys will be dead

The National Guard have their sworn allegiance to the nation, not just Texas. Further, why would the Guard even need to get involved? Its not like anyone is taking away their machine guns ;)

They didn't just hit the truck but sprayed the entire neighborhood, people woke up to find bullet holes in their homes and roofs.

There is a hit out on Doner, he knows too much. I wouldn't believe anything the MSM says about him, including his alleged killing of innocents. LAPD could just as easily have done it and now blame him, that is how corruption works. the corporate media parrots the security services lies about everything else. Notice how quick they pull out the drones - its all a big psyop.

exactly, when the police murdered our friend Gonzo by machine gun fire the entire neighborhood was also sprayed with bullets, one went through the bedroom of a small child and narrowly missed her sleeping in bed (serious yo!).

See, this is what makes me all the more cautious and nervous around armed American citizens carrying guns in public, even if legally. These cops are trained, certified, experienced, and practice often. Yet, time and time again they accidentally hit people in cross fire, or come very close. I don't want to be standing in line grabbing some tacos and have some vigilante draw down on some purse snatcher behind me and accidentally shoot myself or someone else in the place trying to be Last Action Hero ;)

actually, this is what makes me think the police shouldn't have the monopoly on guns-- especially in LA.

Again, what, you and rob really think y'all is that tuff to go against the whole team of those fuckers? You guys are literally crazy if y'all aren't just trolling me here. Seriously. This ain't 1968 in Oakland with the Panthers and a few shotguns, the government, the police, the military, those dudes roll tuff yo, ain't shit any buddy can do about it, period. Further, y'all honestly trust vigilantism more? HAHAHAHAHAHHAA.. good luck with that.

You're right, both sides are fully armed. The difference is there are a few thousand of them and many millions of us, and most of them are there for a paycheck or to satisfy their pathology. I don't think anyone is encouraging civil war, but if the State refuses to purge the corrupt then they should expect to be treated as tyrants.

you think he'll shave and clean up or look like a fucking millionaire slob as he usually does - he'll fit right in with all the other pedos in DC.

I hate to burst the bubble here but..


Tesla, Rob, Bytor, and !@#$%!, do you guys actually talk with other Americans or just project your deranged fantasies?

The overwhelming majority of Americans would tip their hat to the government, beg Uncle Sam to summarily execute ALL of the radicals, and be happy to carry on working for corporations and ultra-con "entrepreneurs" so long as they can still afford to shop and Walmart and dream big of buying that new TV or second car or addition to their house or great vacation. Americans are COMPLACENT, dulled by materialism and fear of each other. They would NEVER support a revolution, they would support a government CRACK DOWN. Do you think differently? Walk around your neighborhood or your workplace today and like Socrates in Athens ask them the profoundly deep question of what would they do in the case of an authoritarian government crack down on a revolution? You might be surprised and some responses there ;)

I doubt you do because you would never speak like that to someone to their face, it is always easy for you to anonymously smear the posters here when they upset your delicate nature. But yes, I speak about this to many people and find that most actually agree with me. of course I live in New York City which is a highly educated environment, so people are smart here.

This is interesting, someone is messing with Dorner's 'manifesto'. The media has already voted him guilt and is discussing the need to execute him with automated drones.
http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/201...er-dorner.html

i have no "rising up against the government" delusion (the south tried, and lost); but damn, after what you wrote about the LAPD it's clear it makes no sense to call them when there's trouble. DIY or DIE!

and yeah, i know plenty people with at-home arsenals.

You need to check out TEXAS suchfriends. the liberals AND the conservatives AND the freaks AND the independents all got guns!

one more thing-- when i canvassed for obama i encountered some voters who were afraid that "he'll take our guns". i responded "no such thing! obama has no gun platform!". i thought i convinced some of them.

mr. president made me a liar.

Now do you understand why I was criticizing all the civic and political participation you were preaching and committed to during the election season? What, did you forget that Barry comes from Chicago politics? I was surprised that it took this LONG for gun control to rise up, but its part and parcel of Chicago and Democratic platforms. Of course, the acknowledged hit-lists and active military engagement in two dozen countries over the past five years should be all the more upsetting if you ask me. Alas, I'm glad that you've realized that Barry was a let down, he wants !@#$%! guns too if such guns don't fit into the 1994-2004 restrictions ;)

Having guns and willing to fight and armed resistance against the established and long time "so-called" legitimate military and police are entirely different. Americans above all else are fearful of authority, as much bravado as the Tea Party or the Socialists want to bark and rant at their conventions, the reality is there are very few Timothy McVeighs out there otherwise our country might more resemble Iraq or even Russia (where there are many bombings and political assassinations every year).

I am not trying to insult you guys, I am sorry for being so facetious. But seriously, guys, think about it, do you HONESTLY believe that a majority of Americans would support an armed public war against the government? All you have to do is ask people about the 1992 LA Uprising and gauge their response. Rob, you can have all the guns you want in Texas, but ask your fellow Tejanos about the Uprising, you know what they will probably call it? A RIOT! Will they recognize that it was actually a community political response to decades of police brutality, systemic poverty, and inept corruption in the local governments? No. They will say it was greed. They will say it was chaos. They will SUPPORT the LAPD and the NATIONAL GUARD BESIEGING OF LOS ANGELES FOR SIX MONTHS IN 1992. And trust me my sonic brothers and sisters, they would say the same thing if folks tried to rise up about gun control. What did they call the Occupy movement? Oh right, they called it lazy ;)



Anonymously smear posters? Not say it to their face? You're the one hiding behind your guns homie ;)

I'm just speaking the real, you don't have to internet bang on me tuff guy, cool it with all that hotta fiyah, ya might just gwan and burn yourself!

The Truth? Americans are not radicals, they are right leaning centrists. What part of armed revolution is center-right exactly? Do you honestly think that if Americans were cynical enough to support revolution that more than 2,100,000 Americans would be sitting in a prison or jail cell at any given moment? Or that upwards of 48,000,000 children would be hungry? Or that the same number of people would have ZERO access to healthcare? Come of it. Americans are COMPLACENT. Me, I accept my fellow Americans for who and what they are, I've become a realist. I love people, flaws and all, so all I can do is sigh, regroup, and try my best to make lemonade of the shit situations in our communities. The government is evil, period. But it only reflects the inward evil in most people, so just removing the government wouldn't solve that, because the next assholes to step up would harbor the same evils. Combat the EVIL in society, not the people or the power which reflects it ;)

all the people I know, the Latinos, saw the LA "riots" for what they were, an uprising of the populace against a corrupt local government. Now, the white people I know??????? ha!

And alas, Rob, who are we kidding? It is all those white folks who still run the country, and most Latinos wouldn't jump into a civil war so quickly. I don't think any of us should for that matter, especially over something so petty as misinterpretations of the Constitution.

I HATE AMERICAN COMPLACENCY AND CORRUPTION. However, I love Americans. I love people. So we got to work together one way or the other. HIM Haile Selassie I told us "Liberation before repatriation." We have to liberate our societies from the collective evil which keeps possessing us at different times and different ways. This struggle and battle is not political, is not legal, it is societal, it is spiritual. Part of societal is accepting other peoples' values. True, that means in this instance respecting peoples' beliefs about gun ownership. However, the compromise again has to be mutual. Further, if this belief becomes violent or harmful to the community at large (i.e. by destablizing the country through civil war and strife) than it is by definition anti-community. We can't accept friendly fire even as we have to swallow collateral damage. IF the government decides to take away certain or even ALL guns, we have to accept that, and work peacably towards a community-oriented solution. Fighting a blodclott war is not going to create that kind of peace, that is the US militaries favorite blunder, destroy the village to save it. No. SAVE THE PEOPLE, not kill them. Even those police or soldiermen we may disagree with, such are people too. Fight EVIL, not people.

If we kill or even just shoot them, how exactly are we any DIFFERENT than them?

NY TIMES

That's probably the lamest attempt at a gun argument I've ever seen.

you mean you don't have a fire extinguisher? :D

I just thought it was funny.

The idea that we are all advanced and past the time when individuals needed to defend their lives, families, and property with weapons is laughable to me.

laws do not stop crime. Police do not stop crime. why make it harder on a law-abiding citizen to try and stop crime when they see it happening to them?

I have friends with concealed handgun licenses here in Texas who have used their guns to stop rapes, robberies, etc. If someone is threatening you or yours, a neighbor with a gun is a million times more helpful than a goddamn cop.

you live in a ridiculous fear state where you think that everyone is a potential threat and having access to a firearm will somehow help.

I actually do not. This is just common sense. the world does not only progress, but it also regresses, and quite often.

when it regresses, those with the means to defend themselves and theirs will be in a much better position.

the arrogance of the antigunners is enraging, its not enough to make themselves helpless, but they need to make everyone helpless too. Its amusing how they project their fear onto others. They think everyone with a gun is bad. Car accidents and doctor mistakes kill more people than guns.