you should its more plastic than amex card and the only one being remotely engaging in it is Rick Ruben and HE ASLEEP ON THE COUCH!

Up SFAD, um... Are you hoping to make me feel embarrassed?

This is more of an updated response to your last post than a directly reply to the one above. I didn't think about it much at the time, but the whole "should you feel embarrassed?" thing felt a little off when I re-read it.

Let me clarify: I'm not embarrassed. Why should I be embarrassed? I guess the whole thing is stupid enough that I feel a little embarrassed for Kanye, but not much. Again, it has nothing to do with what I care about, which is the music this dude makes. That's truly the only thing I give a passing fuck about.

Just saying.

SFAD: Have you heard this Deftones cover of "Say It Ain't So"? OMG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzMeNuTAKCM

yeah like 15 years ago... i think i might even have seen them perform it live

Hahaha stumbled upon it by accident. Been on a Weezer kick again cuz the new album is so good. Loved seeing Chi in that clip. So emotional.

Holy shit, I remember that cover! I haven't thought about it in years and years and years. Crazy feeling, that. When you essentially forget something ever existed and are then reminded that it was once important to you.

So, I read that pitchfork story on A$AP Rocky... I'm baffled by how stupid he is. Never expected him to be a great intellect, but ... Wow. Dumb as they come. Kind of disappointing.

just clicked your link

let me help you out with the version we were listening to what i thought was fifteen years ago and realized it was 19... whoa

Watch "Deftones - Say it ain`t so (Live @ Hollywood 1997)" on YouTube
Deftones - Say it ain`t so (Live @ Hollywood 1997): http://youtu.be/WHKf642FJYA

ahhh napster

yeah i noticed chi and was kind of emotional too for a second.. i remember saying what up to him outside a show a few months before he died

Yes! That's the fucking one!

Nineteen years... Jesus Christ. :(

In 1997 things were just so different. Take Weezer for example. At the time, the possibilities seemed almost unlimited for that band. Pinkerton had an almost In Utero-like weirdness and vitriol to it. Hell, In Utero itself was younger than MBFTF is now. And Deftones' "Be Quiet and Drive" sounded like the freshest thing in rock music. Almost like a "Rearviewmirror" reduxe for boys who, by then, actually knew what driving was like.

I never thought I'd hear another Nine Inch Nails album in 1997. Now I've heard at least one too many for a lifetime.

In 1997, I still actively listened to Marilyn Manson, and would for another year. :eek:

Odelay had not yet seen its final single. Was still "new"!

A Thousand Leaves, NYC G&F, Murray Street, Sonic Nurse, Rather Ripped and the Eternal didn't even EXIST yet.

Dudes. Time, amirite?

I also saw Wu-Tang Clan live in '97 for the first time. Played with Rage Against the Machine. Before the show, I was more enamoured of the latter. By the time it was over, I was like:

Ha. :p

I've been hearing good things about the Weezer album from this year. Maybe I should check it out.

New Gucci is good! Some of the coolest Mike Will and Zaytoven production I've heard in a long time. They made sure to return the man who put them on the favor and give him the top of their game. Gucci himself also came through with some of the most interesting flows I've heard from him in the last few years.

you are right. You are.

@louder: check that White Album for sure. I'll admit that I'm a bigger Weezer fan than most. And I like their "bad albums" plenty. But I feel like this one has a similar vibe to Pinkerton. Check out "Do You Wanna Get High" if you haven't heard it yet. That's a good starting point.

I was just listening to Antichrist Svperstar two nights ago, it led me to watch the Dead to the World video on youtube.

All in all you can be forgiven, Marilyn Manson between 1994-1998 was actually good, in fact, really good. I still think Antichrist Svperstar belongs in the 20th century pantheon of rock albums. It was layered. It was original. It was intelligent. It was trolling the fuck out of everyone. It was art. It was theater.

Marilyn Manson were just a bunch of theater nerds in high school and started a theater nerd band that caught attention at the perfect storm for their nerdcore approach. They reinvented themselves and their image as some kind of debauchery fueled misanthropes and yet I think the joke was on everyone (including most of their fans) who didn't realize it was all just some nerd stuff.

Really, Trent Reznor made Antichrist Svperstar. It is a Trent Reznor album more than anything, and when you listen to it in hindsight with that insight it becomes a better record.

The layers and textures of that record were like a darkside of Kid A. It was more brilliant than it gets credit for simply because of its popularity as well as the schlock rock aspects of the band's tour and publicity.

I think if we listen to that record on its own, not knowing anything about it, it would get more credibility. Also Portrait of an American Family, another Trent Reznor influenced piece, is another great metal album. It was before the band became subsumed in their own imaginations about themselves, they were just a straight forward metal band full of awkward theater nerds from northern Florida..

I didn't get Antichrist when it came out. Mostly for the reasons you reference. I thought it was gross really.

Years later I figured out the whole art thing and I went back and appreciated MM way more. So yeah. I didn't like him/them when I was an angsty teen. But I liked him/them when I was a grownup still stuck on the days of being an angsty teen.

I am surprised you didn't like it as an angsty teen, i think they absolutely NAILED angsty teen vibe.

I realized about ten years ago it was more or less a masterpiece and I have no qualms admitting such. Listening to it recently only more so confirmed my feelings. Some albums, tonally and sound wise, just resonate with you. That record really resonates with me at a sonic level

honestly, I think MM scared me when "Sweet Dreams" came out. That shit just creeped me out haha. I wasn't into it. I'm not saying it wasn't effective. Just it didn't appeal to my sensibilities at the time.

I kinda think you're right about it being a good record, but I disagree about *why* it's a good record. To me, it's really not a Trent project. I was into NIN long before I got into or even heard of Manson, and I know ACS was released on Nothing./interscope, and produced by Reznor, but it didn't contain the broad stokes or the minute details that make his best work classic.

I think ACS is good in the same way that I think some Guns N' Roses is good. It's just morherfucking dumbass rock, but it's heavy and effective. Yeah, there was all this pretense about it being a concept album, but it's not really. It's just a bunch of 3 chord bangers, bathed in some weird industrial and electronic shit. I haven't listened to it in forever, but the absurdly simple riff of "The Beautiful People" is still ringing in my ears. That means it did something right. Like Never Mind the Bollocks or the aforementioned Gn'R (who I really quite hate, but still him "Civil War" to myself every now and again.)

I respect your opinion on this one, and don't feel strongly about it enough to argue. You may be right. I think NIN definitely made some Kid A-esque music (for lack of a better term... It's all Aphex Twin aping), but I think the MM records were just Trent's excuse to make thrashy mindless music. Once he stopped being involved, MM suddenly sucked.

Anyway, whatever... Cryptorchid was a great song. Haven't heard it in 15 years but I'm sure it's still good. So is Angel with the spread wings. "Good" being kind of a malleable word in this case.

Beautiful People is so good.

listen to antichrist svperstar again. the layering, the backing guitars, the electronica, none of that was part of Marilyn Manson before that record. i am not saying its a NIN record, but it is definitely got Trent Reznor's fingerprints all over it. indeed that is more or less what Daisy Berkowitz said pushed him out of the band, than Manson and Reznor more or less took over the album.

and i totally agree with Marilyn Manson sucking after Reznor stopped being involved. just like with Kanye West, i don't diss what i haven't listened too and i checked out all the Marilyn Manson records and didn't dig them.

i would also say listen to it again, it might be more complex a record than you remembered. it is definitely a concept album both lyrically, sonically, and production wise

I don't know. Maybe for a laugh if I have absolutely nothing better to do and nothing else to listen to. If I want to hear Trent's layered industrial find there's always Downward Spiral, which I actually relish the thought of hearing because it's so good.

It may be that there's something else keeping me from wanting to revisit this stuff. Probably never mentioned this, but one of my best friends died right around the time I started listening to Manson. Months before, actually. It was a bad period.

don't know guys. didn't like NIN or MM then and don't now. both are kinda silly and was never raw or noisy enough. after Nirvana and Sonic Youth I could never go back to that mainstream fluff.

I did, finally after 22 years, checked out Downward Spiral couple weeks ago. some good songs but meh. meh.

I just realized how pretentious that sounds. im certain I was more mature at 17 than I am now.

I was actually into NIN before Sonic Youth. It was Nirvana, then NIN, then Sonic Youth caught my interest a big later. But I think NIN was instrumental in helping me identify what I wanted to hear more of in music (expanse, experimentation, space, tonal variety, interesting sounds), things that Nirvana kind of lacked through no fault of their own, simply by being a mainstream rock band that played short simple songs.

Without the Downward Spiral, I don't think I ever would have developed an ear for the atmospherics of Daydream Nation and EVOL and ATL, etc. I actually have a ton of respect for Trent Reznor. He got me into Throbbing Gristle too. So in my case, Nirvana was really the "fluffiest" band in that little situation. But I learned the basics of what I loved about music from them as well, and I can pretty much thank them entirely for exposing me to punk and post-punk.

i agree with your not particularly digging Downward Spiral but check out other stuff you might dig it more. im particularly enjoying The Fragile right now, i like it a lot more

The Game just dropped a song where he's calling for peace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp68RbD1pbc

“All these murders on the news, every week it's another one”

New Kool Keith album dropping soon bros.

Abra's new EP is really good.. been listening to it a lot lately. Also like the new Jeremih mixtape.

And we're getting a new PARTYNEXTDOOR album next week..

It's been great year for R&B.

I don't think I'm into Partynextdoor. I kinda tried to be. I like some of the production on his second album (mixtape, whatever), but man... whole lotta Drake going on in that guy's world. And I am, at least for the moment, 100% over Drake and all associated parties.

Watch him beat Beyoncé, Bowie, and whatever other obvious choices emerge for Album of the Year Grammy. Just watch.

I think I actually am going to punch Drake if I ever get the opportunity. The urge has just been welling up in me for far too long. I'm ready to go to jail for it at this point.

the cheapest seat for the Drake/Future concert in Houston in September is running $160

what a crock of shit.

what kinda non-drug-dealing-hip-hop-head is gonna be able to afford this? Drake and Future don;t give a fuck.

Oh for a Hip Hop Fugazi.....

There were seats at the Ye show for well under $100. I think $80 was the min, maybe. And I know you hate Kanye, but ... y'know... It's Kanye Fucking West, so... yeah.

To be sure I didn't settle for tickets that cheap. I actually spent more than I'm willing to admit. But, of course, it's totally worth it. ;)

I get that Drake AND Future are playing at these shows, but that's an absurd amount for cheap seats.

Btw: I'll take Future over Drake any day of the week these days. Even shitty Future.

taking future over drake is like Hillary over Trump, its not like its a decision that makes anyone involved happy about it

I would choose to save my money for something more worthwhile.

T.I. is coming to a town near me and I think he's pretty cheap. well, around the 45 - 80 dollar range. the Ying Yang Twins played here last year. I think it was like 13$. haha!! I walked there, wasn't much happening.

Yeah.

Hey, does anybody know when the fuck Travi$ Scott's Birds of the Trap Sing Mknight is coming out?

What about Pusha's album?

No.

But Fallon said the ASAP Mob album is called the Cozy Tape. So maybe that is a thing.

Oh, hey! Let's hope so!

Man I think "Birds of the Trap Sing McKnight" is going be great.. I've heard the single ("Pick Up the Phone" featuring Young Thug and Quavo) and it's one of the best songs of the year, easily. No idea when it's coming out though.

Gave Blank Faces LP a brief listen today. Mostly just had time to catch the feel of a track and move on to the next one. I can see why it's getting some good buzz. There are some really solid beats on the album. And sonically it seems like it's got a lot of range (not TPAB range, but along similar lines). Def better than Oxymoron, I'll tell you that right now.

I haven't purchased it yet. There's just been too much going on in my life lately to really process new music. But I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy it.

Q kinda sounds like whoever the dude from ICP is sometimes though. And other times he sounds like B Real. Then he sounds like Kendrick. I'm still not sold on him as an MC, frankly, but I'm down to listen to good, weird rap. We need more weird rap. Until Danny Brown's album drops, I'm gonna need something like this..