Well, sexually predatory comments and stuff, from multiple people. Invading people’s space... leveraging sex for connections and stuff, but yeah, being rude was definitely part of it

Oh, and on multiple shows.

But yeah, probably no big deal right?

Not saying he definitely did everything, but I think there’s enough collaboration to take it seriously enough to be concerned about it.

I GOT ATTACKED BY COMMENTS

i don’t know man.

let the courts sort it if there’s a crime

Ok, so, sounds like multiple women said he sexually harassed them. One, just in the article posted here from when the news was fresh, said he said, stood on her feet, pinned her in place and rubbed his dick against her. ... So more fhan comments.

In the instance that there isn’t a court case, (when, I dunno, a big company might be involved and might be intervening and handling settlements to preserve its property? Possibly?) does that mean nothing should be done?

I’m fine with him resigning if he’s treating anyone like that. I don’t think any charges have been filed, so I’m not sitting here thinking poor Jeffrey Tambor.

I know it’s a tricky world to navigate and I’m not jumping on your ass, but I think it’s really dangerous to get into the “guilty until proven innocent” rhetoric.

Donald Trump is president because people say, “Well, no charges, and he’s innocent until proven guilty.”

It’s dicey, but I’m fine with how this particular situation shook out.

Also it’s possible and super common to be attacked by comments. It’s usually called harassment or hate speech. What if all he did was shout the N-word at people? Just comments so no big thang?

I don’t have the answers, Sway. I’m just sayin’...

you just called me sway? ATTACKED BY COMMENTS!

i’m calling your employer

—

and seriously (while i find the number), i’m an old-school liberal who believes in fair trials.

lynchings... remind me of old southern democrats who used the n-word to trump up charges

https://www.bet.com/news/national/20...f-rape-ro.html

Yeah, it’s a Kanye referenda. “You ain’t got the aaaanswers, Sway, you ain’t got the aanswers!”

Anyway, I’m an old school liberal too, and I’m not big on this whole lives being ruined by a single unconfirmed word thing that’s going on in the world. Doxxing and so on. Don’t like it, not comfortable with it.

But this is several woman saying they were harassed by a man at unrelated places and times, and the man resigned from the show.

I don’t know if he did anything, but it certainly appears that way. If he didn’t, he should sue for defamation or whatever.

I’m really not down with the public trial stuff, but I’m also not OK with just ignoring allegations when they pop up in numbers and go undisputed.

that’s what hr is for

lawyer is next

So, I assume you have the same position about Donald Truml, then.
Poor guy not-quite disgraced and never apologetic for attacking people with comments? Locker room talk, yeah?

Didn’t go to court so no big whoop?

And courts fuck up all the time.

Also good luck with HR when you’re a trans woman and your harasser is a rich, white male whose face pays the salaries of fucking HR.

C’maaaan

so, you’re not for public trials, but you’re for public trials after all?

guilty until proven innocent then?

alright cotton mather

the white male is the new n-word

HANG HIM

The fact you didn't censor white male proves that it isn't.

huh?

The whole false comparison thing.

If you call a black guy the n-word and he punches you in the face, nobody's going to seriously complain except for the person who got punched - and let's be real, you probably deserved it.

But if you go up to a white male and call him 'white male!', he's almost certainly not going to punch you in the face. And if he does, it's probably because he's confused.

lol i see.... that’s not what i meant. let me explain the context i was trying to imply

back in the days of the old south (im talking mid 20th century) black men were often lynched over trumped up accusations, usually of a sexual nature

e.g. you catch your lil’ girl making out with a black boy she screams “he raped me” and soon we have a lynching. if you were black you were presumed guilty. the n-world: scapegoat of the south.

but these days, when you want to imply that someone was guilty of something (anything), you make sure to mention he’s A WHITE MALE. this helps ensure that, whether guilty or not, the accused will pay a price for every other white male out there who ever did anything.

as a minority person i should be cackling with glee at these comical developments. “revenge” of something.

but nah. i’ve never been a fan of maoist purges. this is stupid.

No. I’m not for the idea of ruining people’s lives based on one unverifiable complaint.

I AM in favor of someone quitting their cushy job when several woman make unrefuted sexual harassment and assault claims against that person.

There is no trial. I’m not engaging in any public trial. But him stepping down from the job doesn’t make me think, “Poor Jeffrey.”

Just basically restating what I already said almost verbatim in case you missed it, which apparently you did.


OH COME THE FUCK ON, that is SUCH bullshit. That is such, SUCH complete and utter bullshit and an absolute example of false equivalency, which the teenager in the room recognizes, but you don’t.

And yeah, I get your meaning — that is to say I understand what you meant — but it’s still a bogus comparison. Unless you know of a bunch of whit men who have been “lynched” based on charges that are verifiably false. Like... who are you even fucking talking about right now?
Also, losing your job is not the same as being lynched.
Your entire premise is fucked.

But yes,, poor white males. When will life ever be fair to them. Poor rich, powerful white men who prey on subordinate women.

Jesus Christ, are you on fucking Thorazine?

Also you failed to respond to my point about the fact that the HR solution is fundamentally fucked in this scenario, where the HR person’s job is dependent on the alleged harasser (Tambor) not being dragged through the mid and the show continuing.

You’re all over the place, friendo

STOP OPPRESSING ME, WHITE MAN

IM TRIGGERED

J’ACCUSE

OOOOH RACIST WHITE MALE
CALLED ME FRIENDO
SURELY A SLUR

ABLEIST

APOLOGIZE. NOW

Yeah, so you realize your points are shit, I have to assume, or you’d be taking me to school because despite this nonsense, you’re smart as fuck — much smarter than I am.

APOLOGIZE TO THE MENTALLY ILL COMMUNITY

Also, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I’m pretty sure black people are still “the N-word.” Only people I can recall recently being criminally punished on trumped up charges are black civilians.

The difference?

IF the Tambor accusations — from Walter and his assistant on TP and the four or five others who’ve spoken up — then he *resigned by choice from his successful TV show and went to one of his other succesful TV shows,* the poor baby.

Those black men?
Yeah, they were gunned down in the street for no reason. En masse. In record numbers, all across the country.

The resulting nonviolent resistance movement? Black Lives Matter? Yeah, it’s considered domestic terrorism by right-wingers and police.

SURE IS THE SAME SITUATION, AMIRITE?

no, ok, yes, i’m trolling because im fucking fed up and having a bit of an ideological crisis

this whole thing about treating people as CLASSES does not sit right with me, not at all.

i mean: allen, weinstein, c.k., tambor: jews

that will be next

Don’t bother replying if you’re just going to fart out of your fingertips more. I expect more from you. Discussion at the very least.

And I’m not triggered or offended. I’m just disappointed in your reasoning and your argument.

Yeah, I struggle with it too. Believe me. It doesn’t sit well with me either.

yes, “liberals” (false label) are starting to behave the same way as the old racists. not is the same criminal way but in the same mode of thought.

treating people as classes not as individuals.

yep. this is my complaint.

it’s a slow descent, but i smell it

i understand the historical reasons, the fighting fire with fire, i do

but it does not bode well for reason. nope. political expediency comes first.

but it was in your argument see.

it is distorting

it is the current mode of thought

liberals are becoming bolsheviks. it’s been a long brewing process but it’s happening now.

everyone is going to the extremes

also i remember how liberals used to be “soft on crime” and made up excuses: wronged by society. victim of circumstances. left with no choice. etc etc.

was it too soft? did it allow too much and looked the other way and let shit go on? and was hillary a rape enabler after all?

but now it’s the opposite. now everyone is evil, guilty, and unforgivable. and their demise is justified by the social good ahead of us, when everyone will be good and pure.

remember how the french revolution degenerated into the terror? in the name of utopia?

I am not on that extreme, and I’m troubled by the same extremism. Any extremism is a fucked up and a recipe for political and social disaster.

I’m OK with this instance because Tambor’s life wasn’t ruined, and he left by choice. I feel that’s appropriate if half the women you’re working with are saying you harassed them.

He’s not Spacey. He’s not blacklisted. His life isn’t over. He just left a show. I don’t think it’s extremism to not shed tears about it.

But I’m conflicted too. About all of it.

I really don’t have any of the answers, but this seems like not an unjust solution — Tambor leaving of his own volition. Just doesn’t keep me up at night the way other situations do.

Calling for violence against anyone in any instance other than the defense of yourself or someone in need is horrifying, and I have friend who think I’m a goddamn Nazi sympathizer because I don’t think it’s OK to punch strangers in MAGA hats. Do I want to smack a MAGA troll? Sure. But that’s fantasy. Doing it is not why I am about, and not what many of my friends were about when they started to develop their political identities. They’ve changed, many of them. It grosses me out.

If anyone can say anyone is a Nazi because they voted for Trump, and anyone can say anyone is anything because of what they are, that’s not OK.

Again, I’m anti-extremism in all forms.

Dear god, are you a 14 year old who's just discovered Reddit?

the thing is, in the speech of the left, a rich white hetero cis male is guiltier than a poor lesbian afro mayan disabled trans woman. it’s intersectionality reversed: the higher you are in the hierarchy of oppression the riper you are for chastisement by the mob.

and i get the historical reasons for this, and i get the get that the rich white men still have most of the weapons anyway. but when liberals who are supposed to be for the supremacy of the individual, for fair trials and proportional punishments, for equality before the law, abandon all pretense of principle in the name of virtue, then i have nobody left to trust,

im gonna come back to copypasta a bit of robespierre straight from wikipedia. but i gotta go do something first.

You're not being hated for being a cis white male!
Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and it just happens to be that most of the people in power are cis white men. I'm not saying that you're more likely to be violent and sexual predators, just that you're more likely to get away with it.

We're just trying to fix this:

it doesnt work that way anymore kid

read the news

this is the ideological leader of the democratic party:



normally i’d be superproud of of this boricua, and i was momentarily, but she spews so much ignorant nonsense it’s becoming embarrassing.

the new bolshevik democrats of course eat it up. even if it makes zero sense.

also: you’re white ;)

so, sev

just read this,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror

the philosophical foundations of it are... disturbingly familiar

and check out the voltaire quote

So How About All That Tv Y'all Are Watching?

So, I’m familiar with the Reign of Terror, the French Revolution and the insidious inverse in ideals that led to the former from the latter, but what I don’t see is a Voltaire quote, so maybe just tell me because I’m not reading that whole page.

Trust me, though, I get what you’re saying. I guess I’m not in a position where I’m comfortable taking any kind of hard stance on it. In my mind, when multiple women accuse the same person of the same kind of behavior, it doesn’t necessarily mean that person did those things and should go to jail (that would be for the flawed but still necessary court system to decide) but I would say that it precipitating the resignation of that person is fair, and not an extreme reaction.

And I share your concern about modern — especially young — next-gen liberals and their penchant for extremism and defending rights violations of the people’s whose rights are being violated are Republicans/Trump voters/“Nazis”/“fascists” because it’s just as fascistic to support the removal of assholes’ rights as it is to support the removal of innocents’ rights.

But I don’t think we’re stoking a revolution fire quite yet. Though, clearly there is a growing mentality that the weapons of the oppressors OK when used by the oppressed, and while that might seem fair at first blush, it is not how America works.

The ACLU defends the rights of assholes like the KKK and white nationalists in freedom of speech, after all.

Still, all of this makes me very uncomfortable. I feel like there’s a very fine line between being critical of jumping to conclusions regarding guilt of white men and being a victim-shamer. That’s a fucked little binary right there.

I can only assume that was an AOC image —it didn’t show up, FYI — and yeah, of course there’s some nonsense coming from that side of the political spectrum right now, but there are also a lot of healthy ideas and expressions. However, again, I’m against all forms of extremism, but there’s also a natural order tothis kind of thing. We have a rich, white male who has gotten away with harrassment and sexual misconduct sitting in the Oval Office, and as long as we don’t effectively police people in those positions, people are going to eventually get sick of it and call for their heads.

Not that I support that, but as long as cis white males rule unchecked, there’s going to be fucking hostility.

In truth, you can blame the law, blame the courts for all of this. If the law was the law, and criminal sexual conduct was punished appropriately and not forgiven or ignored, would any of this even be an issue?

Still Transparent. Binge-watched through a blizzard. Almost done.

Then I’ll watch the finale of True Detective season 3, which I can’t fucking even begin to imagine how they wrap up in one final hour, but wrap up they did.

as long as we continue to judge individuals as categories, we’re digging our own moral and intellectual grave

latest british bakeoff available on netflix. that shit is getting me to eat cake. which is very dangerous for me. cuz sugar is my crack.

maybe i should change shows

breaking bad season 2 rewatch is great.

recently finished VANITY FAIR with some chick olivia cooke (very pretty, fits the part i guess?)



i have never read this novel but this adaptation is a great story regardless of source.

michael palin as old william thackeray is such a strange sight. man, he looks ooooold.

anyway good show. their contemporary covers of classic pop tunes are a decent soundtrack—dylan, joy division, etc. anachronic but works great for my taste,

My wife grew up a huge Luis Miguel fanatic. Luis Miguel executive produced a series based on his life (Luis MIguel: La Serie) which is available worldwide on Netflix, but no available for viewing in USA, probably because of stupid copyright issues etc.


For Valentine's Day I "gathered" up all 13 episodes of the first season, and placed them on a flash drive with Luis Mi's face on it as a gift.


We have seen about 8 episodes so far. Good stuff, very well made, and quite blunt and honest about Luis Miguel's shortcomings and the issues he dealt with as the forced child star by his overbearing dad.


The show really hits home for my wife as she is getting inside info, which I could give a shit about, but I am enjoying the show, and especially hearing Luis Miguel's dad, a Puerto Rican, speak in the extremely loud, fast, aggressive Puertorrican manner. It reminds me so much of my family members, especially the hard-asses.


(it is extremely rare to hear a true Puerto Rican accent on any TV, even latino TV)


I am not a fan of his music, but the dude can sing with the best of them.


Luis Miguel is half Puerto Rican, half spanish, born in Puerto Rico but raised in Mexico and self-identifies as Mexican.


what a mix!

cohenTV!

lol