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Rob Instigator 04.22.2022 08:18 AM

I have not read Miracleman, I think it is one of the few alan moore books I have not read.

Re: watchmen, if you notice, NO ONE in watchmen has any super powers, except for Manhattan. The book is not about super heroes, but about regular people that wish to dress in costume to fight crime ( for whatever reason).

Batman is not a superhero. he has no super powers. he is just a human.

Bale played Bruce perfectly. you are correct. I just never imagined the Batman with a lisp..... ;)

Rob Instigator 04.22.2022 08:19 AM

I am old enough to have the original issues of V for Vendetta, Watchmen

Severian 04.22.2022 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I have not read Miracleman, I think it is one of the few alan moore books I have not read.

Re: watchmen, if you notice, NO ONE in watchmen has any super powers, except for Manhattan. The book is not about super heroes, but about regular people that wish to dress in costume to fight crime ( for whatever reason).

Batman is not a superhero. he has no super powers. he is just a human.

Bale played Bruce perfectly. you are correct. I just never imagined the Batman with a lisp..... ;)


Yeah I know, Manhattan’s the only one, yep.
Anyway read Miracleman. It’s absolutely fucking essential.

Severian 04.22.2022 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
nooooo! that is not what i meant at all. that is a huge misunderstanding and mischaracterization, and just no. i reject that. it's a funny wink but the joke has no truth.

i don't have a problem with "millenials." who are legion. read in this way this is an almost meaningless term. too abstract to mean much. it's only useful in broad and loose terms. it takes specificity to have a problem with something, much less with someone.

so i have a problem with the infantilizing aspects of the culture of postindustrial capitalist societies. i have a problem with the cultural supremacy of the superhero movie in the adult world, which i find fucking lame and in bad taste. not the movies themselves, but their place. and i also have a problem with becoming an eloi (maybe). maybe i have morlock longings, hahahaha.



Just joshin’ mate, I know. I almost didn’t type that but I typed it.

!@#$%! 04.22.2022 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Just joshin’ mate, I know. I almost didn’t type that but I typed it.

i know i know but silence implies consent (or used to) and i just needed to clarify for the reading public.

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The misfortune of seeing the new Space Jam.


oh hahaha what i really want to know is how you ended up in that situation

!@#$%! 04.22.2022 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Re: watchmen, if you notice, NO ONE in watchmen has any super powers, except for Manhattan. The book is not about super heroes, but about regular people that wish to dress in costume to fight crime ( for whatever reason).

Batman is not a superhero. he has no super powers. he is just a human.

yeah, this is why i liked batman when i was little: some day i could be like him! i had a mask and a cape and everything lol. i was 3.

my kindergarten friend put on a superman cape and thought he could fly and slammed his head on the floor. ouch! not an attainable role model. plus clark kent was boring,

anyway regardless of superpowers or no: i don't know how comics are these days but back in my childhood american comic heroes were all about "crime." in other words--they were cops. cops with capes. the cops of capitalism. don't question the norms!

 


i mean dont get me wrong, i have converted religions now, i lived under socialism and it sucked, and learned to love capitalism, with all its horrible flaws, hahahaaa, im a sellout, yeah, but... these "heroes" never questioned the social order, structural injustices, invasions, workers massacres, abuses, poverty... they only defended private property.

so when i was about... 7? el chapulín colorado was a better hero for me hahaha

 


totally misunderstood/miscast in the usa due to a likeness used by the simpsons. he was a hero of ineptitude. it was a mexican export, and we could all relate and have a good laugh. i mean still until today there are reruns. i think there were criminals in it (i can't remember), the point was el chapulín's fumbling ways and heartfelt intentions.

eta: oh! here is chespirito (the creator of el chapulín) on the matter:

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They are not heroes. Hero is El Chapulín Colorado, and this is serious. Heroism does not consist in being fearless, but in overcoming fear. Those heroes are not afraid, Batman, Superman, they are all powerful, they cannot be afraid. El Chapulín Colorado is terrified, is clumsy, weak, stupid, etc., and aware of these deficiencies, faces the problem, is a hero, and loses; another characteristic of heroes, and heroes lose many times, their ideas succeed later.

(emphasis mine)

you see? that's more of a third world perspective. not having delusions of omnipotence, etc. a hero of the powerless. and i agree with him: in real life, heroes not just lose, they fucking die.

 


THIS IS SERIOUS

Rob Instigator 04.22.2022 12:47 PM

Most American superheros were create and drawn by jewish men, who used their creations to fight Nazi shit with their own propaganda. Go look at how Superman and Capt. America fought Nazi's in the comics.

Early superhero comics (1930-1945) mostly focused on small crime, day to day crime. It was not until after WWII that superhero comics had to fight GIANT BAD GUYS and world-ending cataclysms.

Rob Instigator 04.22.2022 12:48 PM

Superman is an IMMIGRANT, never forget.

!@#$%! 04.22.2022 01:11 PM

eh, he was an american from kansas.

https://forward.com/culture/397860/s...on-not-exodus/

either way, doesn't matter, i don't care for those fictions.

real heroes die

 


that's the heroism

Rob Instigator 04.22.2022 01:43 PM

Everyone dies.

!@#$%! 04.22.2022 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Everyone dies.

yes! and this is why i like fictions that deal with death. human death.

i mean, unlike kryptonite, death is a real fucking problem in life, and impossible to avoid. society these days likes to pretend it isn't there or something. but it's just around the corner waiting.

i mean, we lie to children about santa claus and other implausible things, but it would be good if as a culture we could deal with death a little better. that's what art could be for because i don't trust religion. art, helping us cope with the inevitability of death.

and speaking of art and death now this has made me want to watch the seventh seal...

 


real death is fucking horrid, and death in art can help us stomach it somewhat.

Rob Instigator 04.22.2022 03:31 PM

seventh seal is amazing stuff. One of the best films I ever saw.

I was never a fan of the Superman comics, mainly because they stayed tied to a long-ago mindset, American exceptionalism from the 1930's.

I was a huge Green Arrow and Batman fan, two guys with no powers.

For powers I loved Marvel comics. The Hulk, Xmen were my favorites. I liked how the Hulk was the buried rage of a supergenius nerd. resonated with my super-genius ass. hahahahahah

Severian 04.22.2022 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
yeah, this is why i liked batman when i was little: some day i could be like him! i had a mask and a cape and everything lol. i was 3.

my kindergarten friend put on a superman cape and thought he could fly and slammed his head on the floor. ouch! not an attainable role model. plus clark kent was boring,

anyway regardless of superpowers or no: i don't know how comics are these days but back in my childhood american comic heroes were all about "crime." in other words--they were cops. cops with capes. the cops of capitalism. don't question the norms!

 


i mean dont get me wrong, i have converted religions now, i lived under socialism and it sucked, and learned to love capitalism, with all its horrible flaws, hahahaaa, im a sellout, yeah, but... these "heroes" never questioned the social order, structural injustices, invasions, workers massacres, abuses, poverty... they only defended private property.



They’ve changed Superman’s “motto” to “Truth, Justice and a Better Tomorrow,” which some people are mad about. But fuck them.

I love Superman, but ouch for your friend.

Tokolosh 04.24.2022 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
yes! and this is why i like fictions that deal with death. human death.

i mean, unlike kryptonite, death is a real fucking problem in life, and impossible to avoid. society these days likes to pretend it isn't there or something. but it's just around the corner waiting.

i mean, we lie to children about santa claus and other implausible things, but it would be good if as a culture we could deal with death a little better. that's what art could be for because i don't trust religion. art, helping us cope with the inevitability of death.

and speaking of art and death now this has made me want to watch the seventh seal...


 


real death is fucking horrid, and death in art can help us stomach it somewhat.

Life would truly be horrid if it didn't have its counterpart. Ask Christopher Lambert if you don't believe me. As for art? Pure deception.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 04.24.2022 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Everyone dies.



How have you been Rob?

Severian 04.25.2022 06:45 AM

I watched Crazy Rich Asians and thought it was just OK. Thing has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score than There Will Be Blood, I think, but it’s kinda just meh. Not as funny as it could have been, not as socially aware as it could have been, not as significant as it could have been.

I do respect the fact that there’s like two white people with speaking parts, though, and they’re done with by about 5 minutes into the movie.

Rob Instigator 04.25.2022 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
How have you been Rob?



up and down.

Lost my father in law last Sunday. He was 91 yrs

Rob Instigator 04.25.2022 09:54 AM

I finished the batman movie.

I could have edited it to a 100 minute runtime.

The story was pointless. The Riddler was boring and dumb and just a straight Zodiac Killer copycat.

I did not like how the Batman moved like a hulking oaf. The Batman should move like daredevil, like an agile, athletic creature, not a tank.

I think they added the whole Selina catwoman thing as an afterthought. it was pointless and none of the emotions were earned.

I hated the 5 minute sequence at the endthat shows them both on their motos riding together through the countryside until THEY PART WAYS!!! WOW! MAGICAL MOVIE MAGIC!

what a waste.

Even though it was sad as FUCK, i enjoyed Joker much more.

Severian 04.25.2022 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I finished the batman movie.

I could have edited it to a 100 minute runtime.

The story was pointless. The Riddler was boring and dumb and just a straight Zodiac Killer copycat.

I did not like how the Batman moved like a hulking oaf. The Batman should move like daredevil, like an agile, athletic creature, not a tank.

I think they added the whole Selina catwoman thing as an afterthought. it was pointless and none of the emotions were earned.

I hated the 5 minute sequence at the endthat shows them both on their motos riding together through the countryside until THEY PART WAYS!!! WOW! MAGICAL MOVIE MAGIC!

what a waste.

Even though it was sad as FUCK, i enjoyed Joker much more.


Yeah Riddler didn’t do it for me at all.
More like Shittler.
But still I thought it was pretty good. Penguin was good.

I wish I could psychically eliminate that Joker scene from existence, fuck that thing man, what the fuck.

And yeah, it was too long. It was much longer than it needed to be by any stretch of the imagination.

Still Nolan Batman for the win

Dr. Eugene Felikson 04.25.2022 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
up and down.

Lost my father in law last Sunday. He was 91 yrs



I can relate. Just lost my grandmother at 93 on Wednesday

Will keep your loved ones in my prayers, friend.

Rob Instigator 04.25.2022 01:27 PM

sorry to hear it.

!@#$%! 04.26.2022 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
seventh seal is amazing stuff. One of the best films I ever saw.


yeah! i rewatched it this past weekend--it was better than ever. my favorite character is still the existentialist squire, but this time i liked the knight a little better--that was a nice maneuver he did... the first time i saw it (likely on a bad vhs) i didn't pick up on certain details. or maybe i forgot them over the years.

the criterion edition is just great and the channel has some nice commentaries i watched afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
For powers I loved Marvel comics. The Hulk, Xmen were my favorites. I liked how the Hulk was the buried rage of a supergenius nerd. resonated with my super-genius ass. hahahahahah


ahahaha. classic. i think a lot of people our age wanted to be geniuses. in other eras people wanted to be football players or instagram influencers or whatever. but no, fuckit, i wanted to be "a mad scientist."

we never got those comics. i saw the hulk and thor on some bad cartoons that never made sense... i think might have been shown out of sequence lol. and then they had that lou ferrigno show with the green paint that was so bad.

i did like some of the xmen movies though, when i saw them as an old, really not knowing who was who. it was some really entertaining shit. then they made too many sequels and meh.

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Originally Posted by Severian
They’ve changed Superman’s “motto” to “Truth, Justice and a Better Tomorrow,” which some people are mad about. But fuck them.

I love Superman, but ouch for your friend.

i think they put warnings on the capes now lol

 


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Originally Posted by Tokolosh
Life would truly be horrid if it didn't have its counterpart. Ask Christopher Lambert if you don't believe me. As for art? Pure deception.

toko! hey! good to see you back.

i dont know this lamb of god, but the opposite of death would be... sex? more sex films in our time would be great. not porn--there is too much boring porn. but good grownup sex art.

anyway yes, art is pure deception but it doesn't lie about it. know what i mean? art says: i am a dream. like the projector being lit up in bergman's "persona" or the ear in the ground in "blue velvet".

one of my big problems with religion (the religion i grew up with anyway) is that maybe they have a good idea or two but then they claim they are THE ONE AND ONLY TRUTH lmao. fuckem.

oh damn im late for breakfast now. bbl

Diesel 04.26.2022 09:44 AM

Watched Ti Wests' X: would be best described as a soft porn version of Texas Chainsaw Massacre/homage to the 70's heyday slasher genre. Utterly predictable at every turn. Nowhere near as good as Wests' Innkeepers or House of the Devil.

!@#$%! 04.26.2022 10:45 AM

anyway i watched the fucking breakfast club because people keep talking about it like it's some important cultural reference, and i just had to find out wtf it was.

what it is: genexers as seen by a boomer. tellingly, it opens with a bowie lyric from 1971. but ok, bowie has endured well. this movie, i think not. it was cringeworthy.

some of the stuff was okay for its time i guess, the whole united nations of high school cliques having a peace summit or whatever... ok. but the ending... the ending is fucking ridiculous.

prissy hairdo as a cure for borderline personality disorder? lmao. just fucking absurd. the feral appearance on the crazy chick was a better look anyway. keep the black stuff around the eyes! jeezus. terrible fucking makeover. would not date. and suddenly, she's holding hands with emilio. lmfao. figures...

oh and the pseudocriminal's little victory gesture? hahahahahaaaaaaaa! goddamn, so stupid. o well. it was designed to bamboozle kids.

basically the underlying "message" seems to be not that everyone has something in common (overt, read twice "message"), or that differences should be tolerated or even encouraged: but that low status persons can score with the popular kids with a few gimmicks and "win" at life. yeah for a day or two if they can keep up appearances lololol.

but anyway the stuff with the kid with the personality disorder was just so fucking bad. all she needed was a bow! hahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaa.

i was never a john hughes fan. he'd get half of things right and hilarious, and then ruin the other half with some corny conformism shit. well he's dead now so no use piling on the guy, but his ideology... was not good. or maybe it was pressure from studio executives, who knows.

Rob Instigator 04.26.2022 11:12 AM

fuck John Hughes. Everyone of his movies is actually about how much better it is to be a typical conformist.

!@#$%! 04.26.2022 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
fuck John Hughes. Everyone of his movies is actually about how much better it is to be a typical conformist.

right?

spoiled sociopath ferris bueller wants a fancy car. ok, funny movie, and on the surface anti-authority but... not really. he just wants a world of servants, and rationalizes fucking over his friend. entitled asshole.

the various molly ringwalds where all she wants is to get with the rich kid.

other derivative similars i can't remember the names.

freaks and geeks (tv) portrayed 80s middle class teenage life much better. well in part because apatow was actually there. but... there's also a kind of realism and lack of wish fulfillment bullshit in it. like when the scrawny kid goes out with the cheerleader... and it sucks for him, as he finds her boring hahahahaaaaaaa. which is truer to life!

also the actual emotional problems of the troubled kids dont go away with an opportunity with the better off, wtf. they're still fucked up. eg the "drummer". things go better for him when he finds someone who likes him as he is.

just much better writing, and not a fairytale. pity it was cancelled. too good for advertising sugary sodas i guess.

Rob Instigator 04.26.2022 02:33 PM

I HATED it when they prettied-up Ally Sheedy.

Fuck John Hughes.

choc e-Claire 04.26.2022 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
the feral appearance on the crazy chick was a better look anyway. keep the black stuff around the eyes! jeezus. terrible fucking makeover. would not date. and suddenly, she's holding hands with emilio. lmfao. figures...

I enjoyed the movie when I saw it a few months ago - it's pretty good considering that it could just be aimless and it's targeted at an audience that normally wouldn't be down for "sitting around and talking for a day" - but this has always been the weakest link with it. Was there ever a time when that was the preferred look?
(Also I'm very lucky the character named Claire is the other one, I would have never been able to claim there's no link otherwise.)

!@#$%! 04.26.2022 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I HATED it when they prettied-up Ally Sheedy.

Fuck John Hughes.

hahahaaaaa

yeah here we were yelling and shaking our hands: "what da fuuuuuuuuck!!!" at the tv.

also she doesn't look "pretty" but fucking ridiculous. like a poodle. fucking tragic. an utter violation. ugh!

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Originally Posted by choc e-Claire
I enjoyed the movie when I saw it a few months ago - it's pretty good considering that it could just be aimless and it's targeted at an audience that normally wouldn't be down for "sitting around and talking for a day" - but this has always been the weakest link with it. Was there ever a time when that was the preferred look?
(Also I'm very lucky the character named Claire is the other one, I would have never been able to claim there's no link otherwise.)

the preferred look... 1950?

oh speaking of the 50s reminds me of the trashy transformation in "grease" hahaha. wtf olivia.

anyway breakfast club i now deem a horrible sinister movie because it appeases on the surface but pushes for conformity in its depths. utterly manipulative. a fitting film for the reagan era. that was another "nice" killer.

maybe try "freaks and geeks"? much better, i swear. or at least i'm blind to any of its possible massive flaws. wayyyy realer. smarter. funny too. too cool a show to be really popular.

re: claire/molly ringwald, we liked her other dad (harry dean stanton) bettter. that man had a great talent for portraying a loser. but loser or not, he was real, his character felt like areal human, know what i mean? her dad in this one... is some plasic douche with 3 lines.

ps a good aimless movie: linklater's "slacker". fucking great! hahaha. i want to rewatch it soon....

Dr. Eugene Felikson 04.27.2022 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel
Watched Ti Wests' X: would be best described as a soft porn version of Texas Chainsaw Massacre/homage to the 70's heyday slasher genre. Utterly predictable at every turn. Nowhere near as good as Wests' Innkeepers or House of the Devil.



Shame, I wanted to watch that one

Big fan of Ti West, although he does have a tendency to struggle with third acts overall

Rob Instigator 04.27.2022 11:50 AM

I watched around 45% of the Foreigner (Jackie Chan and Pierce Brosnan).
I forwarded through the endless crap about IRA and bombing and the UK politics.

I wanted to see if it was Jackie Chan's TAKEN, and it was not. He was good in it though.

TBH, I have not seen the last 30 minutes.

!@#$%! 04.27.2022 12:34 PM

wattstax!

 


i love this movie. i don't like all of the music in it, but the interviews are the best. this is was i think my 3rd or so rewatch.

_tunic_ 04.27.2022 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I watched around 45% of the Foreigner (Jackie Chan and Pierce Brosnan).
I forwarded through the endless crap about IRA and bombing and the UK politics.

I wanted to see if it was Jackie Chan's TAKEN, and it was not. He was good in it though.

TBH, I have not seen the last 30 minutes.



I liked this movie, as I mentioned here
It's not as lame as so many of the other Jackie Chan movies, but yeah I'm European so I might be more interested in it's politics. :)


I'm currently watching The Adam Project, starring Ryan Reynolds and Mark Ruffalo. Can't say much about it yet, I'm only 20 minutes in it.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 04.27.2022 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
fuck John Hughes. Everyone of his movies is actually about how much better it is to be a typical conformist.



Breakfast Club is about finding commonality among those who are different from you.

What's wrong with that?

!@#$%! 04.27.2022 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
Breakfast Club is about finding commonality among those who are different from you.


no. that's just the cover story.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
What's wrong with that?


acceptance through normalization (not acceptance of difference)

& the aspirational ideology of the 80s yuppie.

Diesel 04.27.2022 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
Shame, I wanted to watch that one

Big fan of Ti West, although he does have a tendency to struggle with third acts overall


I was hoping for a more psychological Innkeepers style film, I didnt know it was a slasher going in and when I realised where it was heading my interest flatlined, essentially because slashers are generally too predictable and boring. The bloody ;) genre peaked over 4 decades ago - Halloween and TCM will never be topped so why even go there?!

If you're a Ti West fan then I'd say it's still worth a watch as there are moments of inspired weirdness - as fleeting as they may ultimately be - to be found here. There's a prequel filmed and already in post-production releasing soon.

Rob Instigator 04.27.2022 03:25 PM

 


This guy?

Diesel 04.27.2022 05:01 PM

His films do contain black humour, but thats^^ the wrong kind of black innit...

There is a rapper in X, Kid Cudi or summit, never heard of him. Has a full frontal nude scene, looking like long dong silver.

tw2113 04.27.2022 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel
Watched Ti Wests' X: would be best described as a soft porn version of Texas Chainsaw Massacre/homage to the 70's heyday slasher genre. Utterly predictable at every turn. Nowhere near as good as Wests' Innkeepers or House of the Devil.



I just watched X tonight, and yeah this feels pretty accurate.


At least we got to see some titties?

Diesel 04.28.2022 05:03 AM

...and jizz, and horse schlongs. Tis all a bit tacky, innit?

Wests' characters have gone from talking about porn in his movies to him literally making porn and it's beyond the pale. I tell thee.


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