I liked the old one more than the new one, especially Yul Brynner has such a presence. But the new one was alright as well, and it's not a one-on-one 100% remake. Some of the elements that are copied though were a bit of a let-down, e.g. some jokes that are told don't come out very good.
Now I would like to see the "original" version, Seven Samurai. Supposedly one of the best movies ever made.

owwwwwwwwwwwww

she dead :(

<3

Bottle Rocket. It’s still hilarious

Bad Taste

very strange movie, I'm not sure if I liked it. It's just too weird. I did love the soundtrack or to be more specific the editing of background noise.
Might be considering to buy it on DVD/bluray for any special features.

great movie. i love it. it's about alcoholism really. fucking tragic. and nicolas roeg is such a good director: performance. walkabout. don't look now. this one of course. insignificance. i really want to watch bad timing, it's long overdue for me, maybe i'll watch it this weekend.

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last night i saw:



the banshees of inisherin

it was fucking great! very fucking funny! sad too obviously, but overall mostly funny in spite of all.

i 100% do not get rob and severian's lack of tolerance for it. did we watch the same movie?

& thanks to diesel for the comment/clarification.

anyway, it was all very "father ted" for me hahahahaaaaaa. some very recognizable "types". also brought back memories of james joyce and other irish literature.

so yeah, great writing, great acting, unusual developments, beautiful everything, will watch again.


***ETA: SPOILERINOS TO FOLLOW***

colm doesn't exactly loathe padraic. this is clearly shown twice with the cop scenes when he looks after him/defends him from the cop.

this is what makes it confusing for padraic (who is, indeed, "dull"). colm just wants silence! so he could (attempt to) be great, lmao. colm really is staring at his own mortality and dealing with "the despair". bleak shit, funny treatment.

the little donkey was tragic but not on purpose. padraic perhaps proves to be the worse asshole by the end. not as "nice" as he claimed. even the extra-dull dominic knew this.

anyway, i liked it a lot.


redemption... for whom? from what? who here needs "redemption"?

the sister gets away from all that but it's not a redemption thing. she just fled. she likes to read and knows that mozart was actually from the 18th century, lol. so she's escaping dumbfuckery and the confinement of a very primitive social system and goes to be a librarian. colm who is apparently cultured (although maybe not as much as he thinks) and being studied by musicians or at least collaborating with them (there was a big irish culture revival thing in the 1920s and before, see for example yeats) wants to escape dumbfuckery too but by staying in place. dominic who is perhaps the stupidest of all escapes via death.

but yeah, this is old western ireland. it's not regular modern ireland with the euro and corporate headquarters in dublin hahaha. it's a tough place.

anyway i found it more comical than anything. almost like dougal and father hackett fighting hahahahaaaaaah. (father ted also happens in western ireland)





i'm not claiming to be an irish expert, but these characters and tropes have not been simply conjured out of thin air. they have a long history and they're used here to great comical/satirical effect.

But... white-man-with-money-bad!

It's funny you mention Father Ted because reading the comments this* sprang to mind at the time.

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Tortured myself with the original Grease.

i didn't get that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


yeah lol



anyway not to overstretch the comparisons but father ted was the opposite of the sister in banshees. she goes to work in a library in the mainland, he gets sent to an island as punishment (he can never escape).

in that very episode actually, he starts in dublin in a nice parish with good food and drink and "intelligent company".... and gets resent to craggy island where he's greeted by dougal:

https://youtu.be/QcBTTL9_bgI

(just the first minute and change there)

(this is not the same as when the money was "resting" in his account and he was first sent there)

(this shit makes me laugh every time and forever)

No Hard Feelings


Red Sparrow

Fuck Banshees of Inisherin

Pointless CRAP.

hahahha cmon. fuck gordon lightfoot!

that just means that you didn't like it or you don't like that others liked it and are angry about it, but it says nothing really about the fillmm.

I already wrote about the "film"

It is a beautiful, pointless, meaningless trip into horrible people and their lives. WHO CARES? Not me. Fuck em all.

i was just trying to pronounce "fillmm" like bishop brennan hahaha

https://youtu.be/3nP-cNdOqwo?t=626

anyway, re: those horribles: i care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

for one thing i don't think they're as horrible as you make them to be. trapped yes, stupid yes, hilarious definitely.

for another thing it shows that the "nice" simple guy is sometimes secretly the worst and most evil fucking asshole when it becomes resentful.

like, for example, remember all those "nice" and "simple" and "friendly" trumpers?

filluhm!

For the audience. For the characters. There was nothing but sadness. Well first there was mild comedy, then it was utterly undercut by excruciating, omnipresent sadness. Which is fine and all from an artistic perspective — I’m not going to judge anyone who makes art like that — but I don’t have to enjoy it, and I did not fucking enjoy it.

I found it oppressively dreary, devoid of any hint of genuine heart. Like, sure, all-too-obvious parallels to Irish civil war abound, got it, but motherFUCK that was a sonofabitching EPICALLY bleak film.

“Let’s just linger on this dead donkey, and this man crying over the carcass of his best animal buddy, who died for absolutely no reason. And let’s just make people want to vomit with despair!”

Like I just feel that I’m at a point in my life where that kind of unrelenting bleakness-for-the-sake-of-bleakness can just go fuck itself in the dickhole with a corkscrew. I don’t need it. Certainly not from a film that pitched itself as a hilarious comedy.

No fucking thank you. Again, fuck that shit in the dick.

No offense intended.

yes! hahahhaa


oh yeah for sure you don't have to like it.

the escape hatch (the "redemption") was the laughter, of course.

like, laughter at the guy sleeping with all his animals inside the house like a nativity scene or ace ventura, for example. that was very funny to me.

(because remember these are his "companions" but also shit all over the house like the sister said)

or laughter at the epically exaggerated figure of that crone.

or the bitch shopkeeper opening and reading other people's letters.

or the drunk cop passed out in his house naked.

lots of other things were very funny to me.

dominic was very funny until he wasn't. sad for sure, but not just sad. most of the time he was funny.

if you did not find those or otjer things funny then sure there is nowhere to go from there and the filluhm gets a very different interpretation.


i don't know that "the irish civil war" was the thing it was about. it would be too on the nose. i saw it as a background for sure, as related maybe, but not as a "this is that."

i was never in the irish civil war, but i have been importuned by idiots, for example. who hasn't? i understand colm's predicament. i don't agree with his dumbfuck methods hahahahahahaaa.

but a lot of people will cut their noses to spite their faces. that shit is common in our world. it's good to see an antimetaphorical treatment of that scenario.


it was not a big linger, and yeah it was fucking sad, but i did not feel nausea or despair. i was more puzzled by how the donkey had died. at first i thought it was murder (it wasn't).

the little donkey was an accident, honest to god. but the little donkey is also a metaphor for "the heart" that you saw lacking in the film. of course the heart dies in him he becomes a fucking bastard. still dumb but a bastard.

so maybe that is what killed the donkey. the donkey died of metaphors. but no actual animals were harmed, it is a fictional device.

at the same time it's hilarious that the dumb guy basically wants to live in a barn stepping on shit.


it was hilarious! not just bleak. but yeah it cannot be hilarious to all. me for example i never liked... what was it called... peep show. i only like the bit about "the baddies" with the nazis, but generally it was too humiliating to its characters for my taste so i had no room left to laugh.


none taken ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

we can talk about movies for sure, but we can't argue about taste

I liked the dumb guy. He was just a dumb normal guy trying to get by. And I don’t remember him becoming a bastard — maybe he was hardened by the donkey death but I don’t recall meanness.

Whatshisass with the fiddle and the bloody stumps for fingers, he was a bastard. A proper fucktaint of a man, driven by a desire to wreak havoc based on his own whims. He’s a sociopath at best. Like that’s literally the nicest word I can use to describe him.

I know the donkey death was an accident. I know real donkeys didn’t die. But oof, it just stung. Also I’d been taking about this movie for MONTH with my girlfriend and when we finally watched it she almost DID vomit, she was crying so hard. She was just like, “What! Why?” And I was like, “I. Don’t. Know. Fuck. This.”

I really love the director — Martin McDonagh — and all his other films are amazing, but this one just felt cruel. There were bleak moments in In Bruges, Seven Psychopaths and 3 Billboards, for sure, but for some reason this one hit me harder and left a more sour taste in my mouth.

Also, I’m not a PETA guy or anything but I really struggle with animal deaths in films. There was a similar scene in The Lobster, and I almost gave up. I paused the thing for like an hour, first to bawl, then to do a cost-benefit analysis of pushing on. I opted to see it through and I was glad I did because it was a very good film, and it had enough other stuff going on to distract me from that poor border collie lying dead in the hotel room.

The most memorable moments of Banshees, for me, are the donkey death, the bloody stumps hammering away at that goddamn fiddle, and the news that the poor sexually abused kid had committed suicide because whatshisname’s sister didn’t reciprocate his feelings, and he felt he had nothing to live for as his whole world was suffering.

Yuck.

Just not for me at this point in my life. Not for me.

I LOVE Peep show.

fuck the banshees of innisherrinnnnnnn

it's funny to me how interpretations differ. here is how i read this character:

the dumb (definitely not-normal barn dweller) guy continues to press on with his approaches in spite of having received a warning the ex-friend would chop of his own fingers if he insists.

and after the warning, and after having seen the cut off finger (brutal), and after being warned repeatedly that the ex-friend will continue to chop off fingers... he presses on!

i don't know about you, but if someone doesn't want to see me anymore i just need to be told so. a self mutilation to prove that point would be absolutely final. insisting after that, what the fuck man, lol.

but no, fuck, he insists. he gets jealous, gives a fake message to some musician who has been around colm, that his father has died ("run over by a bread van" lmao) same way as the mother died. has no compunction! makes him feel powerful! then tells dominic proudly!

dominic who is an even bigger moron than him tells him that was too mean and he doesn't want to talk to him anymore. even the super-moron can see that the moron has become a bastard!

so when colm finds out about the fake news he cuts off all the other fingers. as he had warned! and as the dumb guy chose to keep ignoring. not out of stupidity but narcissism, for me.

then and only then the little donkey chokes on a finger (was he trying to eat it? lol), and so etc.

seriously, some people cannot take rejection and feel that justifies them. the dumb guy is the way bigger asshole by the end.

he also felt superior to dominic and constantly rejected him btw. dominic wants to hang out with him earlier he says no. and he says so in the conversations with the sister.

also there was no demonstrated fiddling of the boy. that was something the dumb guy said to insult the cop. might be his first aggressive lie when he stops "being nice". we know the boy said his dad would beat him up if he took his whiskey. we know the cop jerks off and gets drunk until he passes out. so we know he beats him up but we don't know if we can believe what padraic says.

this is the thing about it in general: there is ambiguity in the story, things are not black and white, and there is a lot of bad and stupid and cruel behavior, but there are no "goodies vs. baddies" in this story. there are a couple of innocents, dominic and the little donkey, but padráic is certainly not one, especially by the end, when he wants to carry on fighting in spite of all.

there is no POINT to the story either.

Fuck that movie.

gordon lightfoot! xD

for me there are many good observations about the human condition in it

*shakes Rob’s hand firmly*

Colm Doherty: I was too harsh yesterday.

Pádraic Súilleabháin: Yesterday, he says! I know well you was too harsh yesterday.

Colm Doherty: I just... I just have this tremendous sense of time slipping away on me, Padraic. And I think I need to spend the time I have left thinking and composing. Just trying not to listen to any more of the dull things you have to say for yourself. But I am sorry about it. I am, like.

Pádraic Súilleabháin: Are you dying?

Colm Doherty: No, I'm not dying.

Pádraic Súilleabháin: But then you have loads of time.

Colm Doherty: For chatting?

Pádraic Súilleabháin: Aye.

Colm Doherty: For aimless chatting?

Pádraic Súilleabháin: Not for aimless chatting. For good, normal chatting.

Colm Doherty: So we'll keep aimlessly chatting and my life will keep on dwindling. And in 12 years, I'll die with nothin' to show for it, bar the chats I've had with a limited man, is that it?

Pádraic Súilleabháin: I said, "not aimless chatting" I said "Good, normal chatting."

Colm Doherty: The other night, two hours, you spent talking to me about the things you found in your little donkey's shite that day. Two hours, Padraic. I timed it.

Pádraic Súilleabháin: Well it wasn't me little donkey's shite, was it? It was me pony's shite. Which shows how much you were listenin'.

Colm Doherty: None of it helps me. Do you understand? None of it helps me.

Pádraic Súilleabháin: [after Colm leaves] We'll just talk about something else, then!

It’s wild that you think Padraic is the bigger asshole. Like sure, he’s codependent (or maybe just regular dependent since no one’s co-ing with him?) but he’s also just a sad frumpy bastard who’s like, Why the fuck is my friend just ceasing communication with me and only me?

Sure, one shouldn’t hold anyone else’s attention or emotional energy hostage, that’s fucked up, but one should also probably not power play social dynamics for no real reason. That’s weird, manipulative bullshit and if someone said that shit to me I’d be hurt but I’d also be like: We’ll La-dee-da, lookit you and your precious time, cry me a puddle dicksmear, you pretentious taint. Get fucked.

That’s what I’d say.

Anyway blah

Siobhan Súilleabháin: Has he said somethin' to ya when he was drunk?

Colm Doherty: No, I prefer him when he's drunk. It's all the rest of the time I have the problem with.

Siobhan Súilleabháin: What's the fecking matter, then?

Colm Doherty: He's dull, Siobhan.

Siobhan Súilleabháin: He's what?

Colm Doherty: He's dull.

Siobhan Súilleabháin: But he's always been dull. What's changed?

Colm Doherty: I've changed. I just don't have a place for dullness in me life anymore.

Siobhan Súilleabháin: But you live on an island off the coast of Ireland, Colm. What the hell are you hoping for, like?

Colm Doherty: For a bit of peace, Siobhan. That's all. For a bit of peace in me heart, like. You can understand that. Can't ya? Can't ya?

Pádraic Súilleabháin: They don't think I'm dim or anything?

Siobhan Súilleabháin: Dim? No.

Pádraic Súilleabháin: You don't seem very sure about it.

Siobhan Súilleabháin: Of course, I'm sure about it.

Pádraic Súilleabháin: Dominic's the dim one on the island, isn't he?

Siobhan Súilleabháin: He is, aye. By miles.

Pádraic Súilleabháin: Uh, hang on, by miles. And then, who's the next dimmest?

Siobhan Súilleabháin: Well, I don't like to judge people in those terms now, do I?

Pádraic Súilleabháin: In what terms?

Siobhan Súilleabháin: In order of their dimness.

Pádraic Súilleabháin: Well, I know you don't. And neither do I, do I? But try, like.

Siobhan Súilleabháin: No! I won't try. There's enough judgy people on this fecking island, so no! You're not dim! You're a nice man, all right? So, move on!

Pádraic Súilleabháin: I'm as clever as you, anyways. I know that at least.

Siobhan Súilleabháin: Yeah, don't be fucking stupid.

Pádraic Súilleabháin: It's about your daddy.

Declan: What about Daddy?

Pádraic Súilleabháin: Uh, bread van crashed into him.

Declan: The bread van?

Pádraic Súilleabháin: Yeah. They said you'd best hurry home to him, lest he should die all alone.

Declan: Die?

Pádraic Súilleabháin: Or get worse, all alone.

Declan: This is impossible.

Pádraic Súilleabháin: It's not impossible. Bread vans crash into people all the time.

Declan: I know! That's how me mammy died. If it's the same fecking bread van, I'll kill them.

Are … Are you retyping this or did you find a script to copy/paste?

I swear if you’re TRANSCRIBING this shit I will buy a ticket to wherever you live — New Mexico or something — and I will take you to a concert or something ;)

first i found imdb quotes now i found the screenplay for some crucial bits. the fucking cop DOES fiddle dominic after all, i'm sad to say, it was not an invention, just details i missed or blanked out in recollection.

--

but anyway this follows that revelation:

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PADRAIC takes a drink, hurt by the description.

PADRAIC
Well I have been less of a whiny little dull-arse, actually...

DOMINIC
Have ya, yeah?

PADRAIC
Just yesterday, hah! There’s this musician fella Colm was getting along
great with, and what did I do? I went and sent him packing from the island!

DOMINIC
(Did ya?) How?!

PADRAIC
I told him a bread van had crashed into his Daddy, and he’d have to be rushing home to him, lest he die!

DOMINIC slowly loses his smile and just looks at PADRAIC, taking all this in.

DOMINIC
Oh. That sounds like the meanest thing I ever heard.

PADRAIC
Hah? Well... aye, it was a bit mean, but he’ll be fine once he gets home and
finds his daddy hasn’t been hit be a bread van. And how can that be the meanest thing you ever heard?! Your Daddy killed a little Japanese man!

DOMINIC
I used to think you were the nicest of them. Turns out you’re just the same as them.

PADRAIC
I am the nicest of them.

DOMINIC
I thought you were a happy lad.

PADRAIC
I am a happy lad.

DOMINIC shakes his head sadly as he heads away...

PADRAIC (CONT'D) Ar Dominic, now!
(calling out)
Well maybe I’m not a happy lad, so! Maybe being a happy lad just doesn’t cut the custard any more!

DOMINIC
(to himself quietly)
Mustard.
(or just a wince)

PADRAIC
Maybe this is the new me!

DOMINIC glances back sadly, then continues on. PADRAIC notices DOMINIC has left his bottle behind, so he drinks a big gulp...

PADRAIC (CONT'D)
Aye. Maybe this is the new me.

...then walks away with it in the opposite direction, drinking.

every "observation" in that shit "film" is basic, obvious, and pointlessly unnecessary.

After much discussion with my wife (Mexican) it was determined that Mexican people and Irish peole are super-similar, obsessed with pain, suffering, sadness, and endless romantic travails.

Fuck ALL THAT SHIT

I am PUERTO RICAN. I live for "burla", jokes, putting down anything and everything, talking FAST, and telling it like it is. Puerto Ricans (for the most part) do not wallow in their grief, or force their families to carry generational sadnesses. We ARE TOO PISSED OFF!!!!

by your own account then you're more mexican than boricua, cuz all you see here is misery, while everyone else sees burla.

it is a fucking hilarious movie. just not for the little burro though, the poor bastard, but shit, that fucker sleeps with barn animals, that cannot be not-comedy.

the dumbfuck who cuts his own fingers, how can his absurdity not be hilarious as well.

anyway, mexicans actually laugh at death.

they write funny verses about it, have parties, eat sugar skulls and pan de muerto, have a party at the cemetery with their dead, drink tequila, the works. no misery or boohoo. acceptance and laughter.

la llorona, the mythical ghost woman who cries for her lost children, is actually a ghoul, not a welcome presence in any folktale. mexicans don't like boohoo.

the irish are the best of english writers. swift, wilde, joyce, beckett... all of them very funny too.

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1080

Threads. I thought it was a new documentary on the social media network released last week...turns out it's much less dark and from 1984.

Pertaining to the Banshees of Inisherin discussion:


Both of the protags are insufferable in their own way:

Padraic is so obsessed with being "the nice guy" that he completely disregards the boundaries of a person he supposedly cares about deeply. Throughout the film, he shows that the outward appearance of "niceness" and his chummy demeanor mean more to him than the actual well-being of those around him.


And Colm is a suffering artist who puts the suffering front and center. He is like a petulant child. He could have set small boundaries like having a few days of the week to himself, or he could have moved away. Yes, there are battles going on elsewhere, but he's pretty close to suicidal anyway. Don't think someone who would be willing to mutilate himself like that, would shy away from that sort of danger. But no, he's making a stupid game out of this, even leading people on by claiming he started to "like" Padraic's drunk self again.


The only person with any sense in this movie is Padraic's sister Siobhán. She saw the island for the void it is and moved the fuck out. Good for her.



The movie operates on themes rather than a very straightforward message and I loved it for exactly that. The island was sort of a stand-in for the vicious circles we find ourselves in throughout our lives. Malaise and depression permeate its atmosphere. There are also a lot of allegories for how hard it is to get out of toxic relationships. Siobhán managed to do this - her toxic relationship being with the environment itself. Colm and Padraic are too stubborn and too foolish to see what they need to be doing for themselves. Padraic's fear of being abandoned clouds his better judgement and Colm's self-hatred manifests in his unreasonable spiral of destruction and self-destruction.



The Banshees Of Inisherin is not a feel-good movie, but a really great one. Its protags are both unlikeable and likeable, in certain instances even relatable. It's complicated and that's what keeps it interesting and 3-dimensional. Loved the shit out of this movie.

now that's a review!

not because you said you like it, which is ultimately irrelevant for the quality of the discussion, but for the quality of your discussion.

i really liked how you did not get lost in the details (which is something i did), but were able to reduce the entire mess to clear and cogent aesthetic judgments. which i enjoyed reading.

as i often say to you--please write more!

People getting upset over an animal dying in a fictional story?! foken vegetarians man!

the frogs killed one first!



spoilers: the donkey is god!

great fucking movie

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ps happy birthday french revolution

I dont need reminding that the world and people are shit.

Funny, that's how I feel about Marvel.