Sonic Youth Gossip - In Utero Appreciation thread

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replace "i wanna get free i wanna get free ride into the sun" with "i'm a negative creep i'm a negative creep and i'm stoned" and you'll find the key.

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

bores me to tears.

I do not appreciate it one bit

I thought I was the only one! And I'm a freaking Nirvana freak!

I much prefer Bleach and Nevermind. I love the shit out of fucking Nevermind, in fact. I don't care what anybody says about it.

a big part of kurt's self imposed (yes, self fucking imposed; it wasn't just a random "lucky occurrence) image is strongly based on joseph campbell's hero's journey.

dude drove (and still drives) on martyrdom. same with eddie vedder, except he didn't buy into his self image and actually go to the deep end. "smarter" business decisions.

Atsonicpark, usually you're posts are interesting even if one does not agree with what you're on about. But in this thread you've made no sense and brought up little to no argument supporting your case whatsoever - just childish insults. Many bands you listen to are fucking junkies, dude, what are you talking about? Mindless lyrics? You've stated members in your band don't even know your songs and they improvise - mindless? As old as it is to defend Cobain (which I'd be doing in this case for any musician/band whether I like the music or not) it's even more tiring and cliche to insult Cobain/Nirvana.

Again, most people who insult Nirvana and Cobain don't know why.

Many bands get huge success and are talentless. It's a rare occasion when worthy bands get ahead. Which is why Nirvanas fame was/is warranted.

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

I didn't even read the whole of your post. Yawn, after the first line. Yawn again for being some sort of yawinish internet yawn. Yawn.

An ironically predictable smugness from sarramkrop. Yawn at the yawns.

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Originally Posted by swa(y)

smarter business decision? i highly doubt ian curtis would have so many fans if he hadnt of killed himself. 'sides, hardley anyone gives a fuck about pearl jam. kurts making a shitload more money dead...haha...mother fucker as of last year sold more albums than ELVIS.

ian curtis is so apples and oranges, dude was a manic depressive guy, "exploited" it on his lyrics (i don't think that, i think he was just being honest, but you can argue about it), BUT didn't dive into feeling worst or presenting himself as being worse than he was to the point for his art and image that he became that. AND joy division when they were around were not even a tenth as famous as nirvana were in their prime.

have you checked what kind of arenas pearl jam play? i can't stand them but dudes sell millions and pack arenas worldwide. my point was that eddie vedder also played the role of troubled artist but didn't become as self absorbed into that roled as kurt cobain and, therefore, could continue his career, whether nirvana fucking ended yet they sell records like crazy (that's why i put "smarter" in quotation marks).

and that remark about how much they sell, well, that's what i meant in my previous post, dude wouldn't want it any other way.

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Originally Posted by swa(y)

yeah...what i shoulda said was "most people that dig pearl jam dont know shit about music". which is ussualy true. i like PJ sometimes. i think ive said it before, but they are one of those bands thats say, releases 15 albums...2 are going to be great, 4 are going to have a couple decent songs...and the rest are going to suck fat ass. eddie just seems to take himself a bit too seriously sometimes for my liking.

i think its important to keep in mind that most artists are indeed "troubled", or at least go trhough a phase of being troubled at some point in their life...even more importantly, i think its important to at least consider that kurt and eddie were VERRRRRRRRRRYYYYY different people. kurt never really grew up. he was 27, but basically died a miserable 18 year old that still seemed desperate to figure shit out. kurt also depended alot on other people to take care of em...eddie was living on his own...had his own truck/job/apartment...while he was in HS!!!!!!!!! thats how he dealt with his shitty home life...he moved out and became a "man". eddie witout a doubt (with all the SHIT i can, have, and probally will say about him) had a shit fucking load more self confidence in HS...then kurt cobain had approachin his freakin 30's. and im not trying to talk shit about either of them...im probally in between both. i have takin care of myself, and for the most part i do...but ive never went too long without a roomate. both of them dealt with their problems in totally different ways and really cant be compared outside of the fact, that at one point in time, they were both the "voices of a generation" < really like what eddie once said when asked about that in an interview...right after kurt died actually...he said "if we're the voices of a generation, then that must be a really fucked up generation". haha. eddie can be okay sometimes. he'll damn sure never be kurt though. but then again, kurt never could have been him either...very different people.

just wish PJ understood the concept of evolution...they talk about it in their songs, but shit, their music just hasnt done it much since oh, the early 90's..

couldn't agree more, and because of what you just described about kurt proves that there was a yearning for power and control in his own person and he used it in a negative way, for a shitload of reasons.

of course i agree with that part of the "trouble artist", totally, but there's a projection on their self images that both guys had and one let him, for whatever reasons, to take the best of him and fucking ending his life, while the other kept it in check.

the artist who suffers and dies for his art is another archtype that people respond strongly to and another reason why he keeps on being this icon.

The guy wrote good tunes...The biggest irritation for me when it comes to Cobain is when people base their decisions over (or even think they know) what Kurt wanted/thought. Unless you knew him personally its hard to make a judgement on "what you see"...However, even people on here claiming you can't judge the book by the cover... Judge people by the cover all the time. Fuck even Kurt probably did. I remember seeing an interview where he bashed Pearl Jam and called them manufactured or something along those lines. Well Kurt for a band that is just 'hopping on the bandwagon' they sure have lasted quite some time now.

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Originally Posted by pbradley

An ironically predictable smugness from sarramkrop. Yawn at the yawns.

Yawn.

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Originally Posted by Kylerobert

Apparently Kurt Cobain met up with Eddie Vedder, had a talk with him, and released a press statement saying that he respected Eddie Vedder as a human being, but he still thought that the band sucked... Musical tastes and opinions... I happen to like Ten, but they've never done anything that good after that... My opninon... :o

Pearl Jam are cool, but them still making music today was a smart business choice? I think I disagree.

Sometimes when I read atsonicpark's posts I can't help but wonder if this guy really loves music, or he's just a poseur. I mean this in the nicest possible way, because he seems to also be able to come up with some interesting points of view, but then he goes all the way to come across like some overopinionated indie geek.

in utero, like it a lot it has a good sound but i would have liked to have heard the original version of it before other producers and the label got their hands on it and added changes. milk it is probably my favourite on here and i love the title of radio friendly unit shifter, ace name.

I actually prefer the kind of awkward, accidental-sounding funk with songs like Milk It and In Bloom.

But then again I always like when heavy guitar songs drop the guitar and let the hidden bassline carry. Fugazi's Shut the Door, etc.

my god is this thread still going.........

eh

posin' since 1998.

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Originally Posted by Norma J

Now hold it -- when did I say "mindless lyrics"?

And, for the record, I may listen to bands with junky members, but I don't worship those guys.

Anyway, I really like Bleach and Incesticide, but I don't care for much of the other stuff. And Kurt just irritates me forever. That's all.