a lot of you 'raised catholic' grls are hardcore atheists now. don't think yr so unique

i never claimed to be nor do i understand why you'd accuse me of something so fucking preposterous, i was stating a simple fact dear. i didn't suddenly just become an atheist either, i never in my life believed in any of that horseshit, it was unfortunately forced upon me.

well forgive me but this sounds like trying to claim some fame [unique-ness]

no, i was only trying to properly articulate how dogmatic i am about my atheism....how ironic. I'M JUST LIKE THEM.

except that i'm right.

i think all the things you mentioned the alt people doing are positive and creating a better alternative to the nuclear family is one of humanities most important projects. what you say is ridiculous, as if we're just silly alt teens trying to be fashionable and not respecting dad's authority. i don't follow the logic that says obviously because all these tribes have families and god like we do and we are obviously so much more advanced and they haven't got to our level yet it must mean our shared god and family structures must be somehow necessary for those tribes to progress to become like us.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Glice again.



"runnin and ya runnin and ya runnin away.. but you can't run away from yrself.." Bob marley

We are not more advanced than anyone, and to believe so is petty, ignorant, prideful and selfish. In fact, most so-called 'primitives' have a culture and social structure which is MORE sophistication, MORE elaborate, and has more DEPTH than our materialistic based systems of the modern era. Further, the nuclear family is a production of the idealism and fantasy of 1950s americana, it doesn't exist here, it doesn't exist anywhere, there is only one family, the human family, there is only one society, the global society. The variations are only a matter of perspective, just like two parallel lines can be altered to appear unparallel to the eye, when they are parallel all along..

but then again, my bias is that I am an Orthodox Christian, and we see the world as one single existence, one universal family ;) and it is christmas

bob was a wise man.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Satan again.

miss, God or the Devil are simply reflections in the mirror, the real question is not whether they exist or not, but rather which one do I see or want to see in the mirror each morning?

i agree that our social structures are not 'better' than anyone elses, and what we call civilisation is tremendously violent. i was trying to make the point that to see us as the superior advanced state that those 'primitive' tribes haven't reached yet is stupid and wrong, except i would hazard against viewing such societies with rose tinted glasses, or as somehow more pure than us. i don't think they are better than us, in a very crude way our materialism does make us more advanced, our technology and medical techniques for example. but i am not saying that our materialistic societies are worth holding onto above all, but the knowledge and experience we have gathered certainly is worth saving. i agree that we should see ourselves as one and any attempt at division is false. but we should not glorify regression. we should not behave like those spanish who destroyed thousands of years of mayan culture and art and history, making it lost to the ages. they thought they were more advanced and superior. deciding to instead think that about tribal societies is just condescending and does not fix the problem. i think the internet and all the knowledge contained is a lot more useful than the specific knowledge of a tribe who have very limited means of expressing it.

i should clarify that it is not an us vs. them issue and 'we' can never truly posses our material things like we like to think we can.

my favorite is easter.

(lololol)

ps: news guy just said "white kwissmiss".

pps: I'm sorry that the only suitable pagan imagery I could find was some neo-wiccan shit.

ppps: inb4 "druids made up yule in 1969"

All the "evidence" suggests quite the opposite (read the bible).

both hardcore religion and hardcore atheism require a great amount of faith and certainty that cannot be proven or disproven.

however, having a go at someone because of their personal beliefs is equally petty, isnt it. we must not try and rub our beliefs on people either way, which doesn't cancel our right to voice them, as long as we're not being judgmental.

its fine to say "this is what i believe in" but its not ok to say "you are wrong and you must be different" to someone in specific.

How does a lack of belief in something (atheism) require faith?

'nuff said

I think you are right to say that we're not more advanced than any society, it is a matter of perception. Therefore saying any of them was MORE advanced is also a matter of opinion.

one of the plus sides tho is that we try today to give people the right to have their beliefs, we've been failing of course in separating goverment from religion, but that should be the idea.

and in that case, you're as entitled to believe what you want as anyone is entitled to be an atheist.

And less of the SuchFriends hating people. He's one of the good guys.

Hope he came with a gift receipt.