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if you give me a tenner you can get a foot still inside its military issue boot sent to you in the post.

it's called capitalism and it's why the turrists hate us.

ok fair enough 5quid plus 2.50 post and packaging for a head. dogtags included.

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Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo

So if it's not the Military or the Politicians running things Knox, who should? The people?
HAHAHA

People are fucking stupid.

sad.

We should have that right, yes. The only problem with that is that secrets are seldom any good. Most people these days have difficulty dealing with even small fry problematic shit. Maybe DeadDisco was right, people are fucking stupid. Of course I don't like to believe this, not yet, but I do seem to notice a gradual decline in the average intellect. Kids may be beginning to read at earlier ages, but plenty of them are still in fact being raised by adults who seldom seem to be able to discuss much past their home lives, work, favorite tv shows/fast food chain. It sometimes feels very Philip K. Dickian, and it is spooky. That said, for good or bad, I do think that if everyone knew everything chaos would ensue. People have become dependent on too much....what they can buy, some stupid little coat for their dog they feel they just "gotta have". People have become addicted to accessorizing their lives with utter bullshit. Seems as if almost every other person I meet is addicted to some sort of drug (mostly legal/prescription-written shit) they've been told they "need" to function normally in society.

I just don't think most have the mental capacity to deal with too much...

'But aren't we all those people? How is what you do not exactly what you're talking about above? That describes anyone here. Apart from me, obviously, I'm perfect, not like other people.

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Originally Posted by Glice

'But aren't we all those people? How is what you do not exactly what you're talking about above? That describes anyone here. Apart from me, obviously, I'm perfect, not like other people.

I'm not so sure about all.

I could be wrong.

That's it? That's your solitary exoneration? Self-doubt? Really?

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Originally Posted by Glice

That's it? That's your solitary exoneration? Self-doubt? Really?

Nah, I'm just being modest. I'm a bit mentally exhausted at the moment and am not in the mood for your mourning wood. Perhaps later in the day? If I have time? It'll be fun.

But for now you'll just have to go fuck yourself.

k, sweets?

I'm just trying to get through to you that you're dead inside, and you're a poison upon the face of the earth. Nothing more, nothing less. So there's no need for such unnecessarily antagonistic language now, is there?

oh my god.
poor lennon.
poor iggy pop.
more drugs please.

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Originally Posted by DeadDiscoDildo

And you should be so fucking proud of yourself. Whining on a message board.

What do you do for a living? Why dont you do something about it?

well, there are only two options, we can have a positive, cooperative and edifying discourse on the matter, or we can take these gentlemens' route with the muhjahideen if thats what your suggesting otherwise ;)

He says: don't talk about it.
don't sign petitions. (because you can't change the world by signing them)
do the revolution.

what exactly does that mean?

also, if it is pointless to talk about it isn't it even more pointless to talk about how others shouldn't waste time talking about it?

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Originally Posted by knox

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray

People have become dependent on too much....what they can buy, some stupid little coat for their dog they feel they just "gotta have". People have become addicted to accessorizing their lives with utter bullshit.

and they make fun of you when you tell them flouride is bad for adults.

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Originally Posted by tesla69

and they make fun of you when you tell them flouride is bad for adults.

you mean we have to do it with a soft branch like the ethiopians

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Originally Posted by gast30

you mean we have to do it with a soft branch like the ethiopians

africans do have remarkable teeth by the way :)

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Originally Posted by kinn

and it's not like you want to debate. you just don't want to know. i don't care that this is the case. i didn't really expect you to take down capitalist imperialism all by yourself. just don't tell the rest of us we should either support the military or be quiet because that IS stupid.

and there are people amongst the US population that are far more intelligent and sane than those in charge of foreign policy. people who aren't as insane as rumsfeld, people who don't believe in neo conservatism or american exceptionalism or millenarianism ffs. same in the uk.

Oh I just don't want to know? Thanks for telling me how I feel. I was unsure until then.

The problem with you is you make great points, and then afterwards, you shit all over them with assumptions and basic cliche anti american shit.

I can't help where I was born. I don't believe in spreading of christianity or democracy. It's fucking stupid. And it's laughable to me that we preach freedom at the end of a barrel of a gun.

BUT.

No matter how reasonable we could grow to be....people are still going to want to try to kill us. I think we should worry about defense rather than going to other countrys and blowing them up.

Maybe I still dont get it, maybe I was raised in the era of fear.

The point I was trying to make is that in world history, the only people to ever rule anything were greedy politicians or the military in times of war. Athens vs Spartans etc.

The people bitch about it, sometimes revolt, and then things go back to the way they've always been.

The wiki leaks are pretty weak themselves, not really important.

I just dont think battle plans and shit should be leaked. Seems counter productive to us getting the hell out of there.

But then again, we probably arent fighting for anything other than dibs on our dwindling natural resources.

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

what asshole was that in particular? The US finds itself in Afghanistan, first and foremost as a geopolitical consequence of the US interest and investment in heroin, which is how we ended up in Vietnam. The US war in Vietnam forced the heroin production to shift westward, inevitably finding Afghanistan (just as US involvement in Peru pushed coca to Colombia). So the Russians jumped into Afghanistan because they love heroin about as much as Americans, and so the US found itself arming and funding the mujihadeen (and those leaders today we call the Taliban, Al Queda, and bin Laden). We also funded the Iraqis to counter the Iranians..

These came to a head in the 1990s, when the Taliban took over and when the US fought its first war against Saddam.. Then Clinton got the US military covertly involved in a lot places across the globe, so much so that more US military personnel were killed overseas under Clinton than under Bush II (surprising isn't it)..

These geopolitics stimulated the "terrorists" and so there were a series of bombings and such that culminated in so-called "9/11" and the subsequent invasions of Afghanistan (and Pakistan) and Iraq (and other places in the region for our military bases and logistics)..

So blame who Bush II? Take that shit all the way back the Truman and the OSS involvement in the former French-Indochina, take it up until Reagan and all his bullshit, and don't forget Bush I, and Clinton's trickster ways, and then we get Bush II escalating the trend. Is Obama off the hook by default? Fucking nonsense, its been TWO YEARS already, and the war(s) are far from over, in fact they are further destabilizing and escalating..

I say blame ourselves for being so damned complacent :(

well, that is a shit of a plan if you ask me, and is honestly quite counter-productive

I knew most of that but not all of that, so thanks for the information.

It is possible to speak to eachother here without being complete, utter cunts, eh? Imagine that.

The religious right and manifest destiny are partially to blame as well..

Also, the world has been pretty fucked since the world wars anyway. There has never been peace since, just continued war with spys, businesses, and bribery. Greed has taken over.