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well. i just want you to know i canīt burn my bras, i need them, for support.
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so today i listened to standing in the way of control, the song
and i like it a lot that's about it though fuck bras. its not a feminist issue. its a comfort issue. "they try to break her" lol ain't nobody gonna break that girl, she is SOLID. |
you dont like bras?
if i didnt have bras my life would be hell. |
i hate them. torture device.
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my definition of torture= my giant tits bouncing painfully if I try to run.
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The thing is, what you posted was too idiotic to make anyone think at all, unless they are a no-brainer. You come across like the classic example of someone who gets called out because of the inane shit they post, and then you come up with all this defensive crap about impressing with knowledge etc. It's not working for this poster, though. And knox, sunshine - I realised from early on in this thread that you talk a lot of shite (which you can't even back up because you're too busy being some angry American feminist, perhaps?), let alone wanting to engage in an intelligent conversation with you. Do you know what's insecure? Assuming that everyone thinks like you on a thread, when I could show you it's not exactly the case. Do you know why? Because I find your little angry girl attitude too amusing to witness. You wouldn't last 5 minutes in any serious debate about the smell of a 3 days old used condom, so take the internet opportunity to make your mark, because that's as much (deluded) empowerement as you're getting. Pfft. You might also want to know that I don't address women with ''bitch''. I just used it because YOU said that you are one, so I picked up on the inherent contradiction of talking about women rights, and using language like that. |
Something that I think gets missed in a lot of the more overtly 'political' music so far mentioned is the importance of infrastructure. It's what seperates someone like Bob Dylan singing about political change and a band like say Amon Duul who rarely sang about politics but were infinitely more political, in my eyes, due to the way in which they organised themselves as a band. (I think Genteel Death was making a similar point in relation to Plastic People of The Universe, who managed to be political without using vocals at all and, more tangentially, Notyourfiend's point about 'Starfield Road'.)
Most political music done in the Dylan vein ends up sounding banal because it lacks any kind of self-critique. Dylan told us what was wrong with 'them' and 'us' while rarely thinking to address his own mode of operation. Bands like Amon Duul and Plastic People are far more interesting (and politically useful) in that their first target of critique wasn't something as safely distant as 'the system' but rather the ways in which certain structures that arose simply out of them functioning as a band might've ultimately supported those very ideas they were trying to overturn. Bands like Crass, Scritti Politti and Gang of Four tried to fuse the two. However I tend to find their approach to the concept of what a band is (or can be) on a structural level far more interesting than any of the often far less thought out slogans that tended to pepper their lyrics. |
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not true. Plastic People did use vocals. |
Yep, slavo is right, my mistake there. Plastic People Of The Universe have 2 (3?) vocalists, I think. And they have lyrics too, even though I always assume they don't have a politcal content from some of their interviews. Translation would very appreciated, slavo. I was referring more to the fact that they aren't voluntarily political band, they just go thrown into the whole protest scene because of the repression they experienced (going to jail etc) ragarding the music they play/ed.
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Fair enough about Plastic People. My basic point though is that regardless of whether a band intend to be political or not they can have a political affect simply by existing in the way that they do during a given time or place. In that sense Sly and the Family Stone were political not just because they occasionally sang songs with a political content but because their very existence (as a band that included black and white members) managed to critique certain race-based issues very much in the air at the time. SatFS didn't so much make political statements in their songs as in their very being. Just as a woman making a film in Iran is a political statement regardless of what that film may be about.
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You know, a lot of feminists are all about re-claiming the word bitch. The bitch manifesto is a famous piece of work. They see it as being about takin back the language that has harmed them and admiring the qualities that have historically gotten women in a whole lot of trouble. http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/bitch.htm Also, I think that you are giving knox too hard of a time. And Demonrail - of course, you managed to get down to the point, you professor you. |
I agree that a band like Sonic Youth have some sort of political relevance for other musicians in terms of how they operated throughout the years with the sort of music they play, save for some recent developments that I'm not sure about (the whole mp3 bonus thing seems rich when Thurston Moore on an interview posted on here says that he hates them, or something along that line). I get the impression that they overall managed pretty well, even though they didn't spell out a politcial agenda as such.
Bands shouldn't really take it in their hands to address issues where they ultimately have the last word on, unless they distill their content for creative consumption. It's great that they can be a vessel to channel the feelings of discontent generated by whatever affront is mounted on who and where, but really, if a clear separation of roles is kept in an order which clarifies better what the political is, and what the creative can actually achieve in order to represent, voluntarily or not, its momentum, there would be less confusion, and better music. Or something like that. |
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That's exactly what I was playing on when I called knox a bitch several times on this thread. Isn't it a major contraddiction that she has then asked me to stop calling her a word she used to describe herself in the first place? The word ''bitch'' is inoffenisve when used as a light-hearted exchange between people who know where they stand when it comes to female emancipation, yet it still remains a mean-spirited, derogatory word used to describe a woman in the wrong mouth. Same with the word ''nigger'' and black people. |
I think that it's about the intent of how you are using the word, and in this case you are def using it as an insult. But whatever, what I'm trying to say is that I really don't think that knox deserves to be berated this much.
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Did I, now? Are you sure a little victimism isn't showing its face on this thread? I should be the only one to know if I used it as an insult in the first place, surely?
I'm still of the opinion that knox hasn't really got anything much to say on several subjects, she certainly makes points that I've heard or read about many times before, but fails at explaing what's making her post what. |
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Pssh to both of these statements. Your contribution is always massively appreciated, chéz Glice at least. I'm going to go and read a fanzine about feminism as I take a bath. Mmm. Afternoon baths. |
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im not american. loser. i cant get empowerement from a "debate" on the internet. if you can, i don't know if i should feel sorry or congratulate you. but to be honest, coming from you all those things are like compliments. If some arrogant frustrated little prick like you went around saying good things about me I'd be seriously worried. But if you like some advice, you really need to check your sense of humour, you seem to take every single thing people say seriously. and donīt give me any shit about having anything to say. I made my opinion explicit a million times and when I asked you direct questions about what the hell you were trying to argue you avoided them, because your only goal is simply to argue and everyone can tell. I don't mind the word bitch. I just mind you addressing me. I requested before, donīt. I think you are a complete idiot. |
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because you're too busy being some angry feminist, perhaps? I don't have a sense of humour, you're right. |
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I think this is the best post yet on here. You pretty much summed up what I was thinkin and I did'nt have to type it myself. As a designer I am around lots of gay guys. As a christian I would be expected to hate this..but I don't. It is not about hate. It is about spreading love. We all deserve the same god given rights. "And the men and women are not the same" thing. Right on woman. We all deserve the same rights, but I do believe that men and women play different roles in society, based on preset biological traits that science contributed to our being.These traits depend on each other for a complete strength. Fuck all that left versus right shit I'm stayin right here in the middle.:) |
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It's cool how everyone has a different take on the youth. THat's why I love em they speak to us all in very different ways.:) |
I'm not an angry person. In fact, right now you're making me laugh as you make a complete fool of yourself.
And then I feel sad and guilty because I hope this behaviour isn't some sort of compensation for sucking at life. oh the conflict. |
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GOD how did I miss this one? This one is the best. THE BEST. |
Ok knox. You're boring, now. Stop being so angry and get on with the business of posting things more relevant to this thread.
Kudos to Nefeli for posting something of genuine worth. |
I did the boring thing first, kid. Now you were just starting to entertain me.
I realize that you're the one to decide what is relevant or not so I'm gonna give you another chance to be relevant! So... G. Death what was it that you were trying to say about the gossip not being subversive again? You know, in case I am being unfair. |
That they're not subversive because they're lame? Do I want another chance? Nope.
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Oh yes! That sounded just fucking BRILLIANT! How dare any of us think we had something interesting to say when you clearly had a much better point?
So now you may continue telling yourself you're intelligent and walk around with some sense of entitlement while you attempt to use words like "american" as an insult and dream of getting cock anytime soon. |
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Well, you are thinking right. We are concerned about certain parcels and the postal strike. We bought a dvd and some books that haven't arrived. You better get the fairy a strap on, I think thatīs just as far as youīll go for now.
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Well, who told you that I was thinking of having sex today, anyway?
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Oh sorry I just assumed by your attitude that you're not getting it as often as you'd like. Classic case, but I could be wrong, I surely hope it's not something deeper. Either way, smarter than thou is an arrogant attitude that nobody finds sexy.
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I know, but you don't need to appear intelligent in order to have sex with someone, do you?
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intelligent is usually way down the line on the list of needs when it comes to having sex. While not being able to talk is at the top for most men.:):cool: |
There is a world of a difference between appearing intelligent and being intelligent.
The more evident the desperation to appear intelligent, the less likely the being part. |
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Hahahahaha. And you say I'm trying to impress people. I absolutely love it when people pull this shit. So there was a deep, impressively intellectual meaning behind your dick behavior all along. We should all bow to you! |
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