I did suffer from depression for a while, to say that anyone who's been through that is mentally ill is absolute ignorance. Not to mention how LOW.

(But the meds might have worked, yeah, I didn't end up telling people Charles Manson is a cool guy with a great message to the world.)

You're lucky you're not dealing with someone who's IN FACT mentally ill or emotionally unstable because that would make you a really disgusting person - if it doesn't already.

Now, let me tell you: meds work. You should try. And I'm not even joking, you should. You could use some help, that much is clear.

Until then, I won't be engaging in any more conversations with you. You're clearly not capable of having them. Still, all the best.

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Is depression a physical issue? NO, it's a mental issue. Sorry.

I'm sorry...I call it like it is, you call it like it isn't...ghosts + false assumptions regarding other people's lives.

Pain meds aren't issued for depression for good reason.

+ I am quite disgusting...just like you and everyone else.

I have a healthy relationship, my own place, a decent job I've maintained for years, I pay my own bills and buy my own cigarettes...I'd say I'm doing fairly well. Thanks.

i don't really believe in ghosts either but i was just pointing out that you contradicted yourself saying that you are an honest man that "does not know" one way or the other. in fact you seem to be fairly certain that they don't exist and you seem to be having fun riling up folks on your very tiny bully pulpit.

I know there is no objective evidence for ghosts. There is no way to prove that you or I or anything really exists if we dig deep enough. But come on... we don't have to go that fucking existential to prove that I'm not a cunt do we? hahahah

ha ha

You ARE a cunt. And not very good at it.

If you cannot prove or disproof something - then you do not know.
If you swear by something you cannot prove or disproof - it's an act of faith, not evidence.

You claim to be agnostic, then you claim to be a little bit agnostic, then you do some selective reading and continue repeating the same bullshit like you know so much about things you clearly never bothered researching.

So you're just as annoying and preachy as a Jesus freak.

way to ruin a good laugh...


oh wait, you are the good laugh!

I am agnostic and you are crazy. I feel sort of bad for you.

aw, sorry.

I guess you're still not capable of understanding what agnostic means?

Not to believe, not to disbelief, to simply say: I do not know (The UNKNOWN or UNKNOWABLE).

That's what it means. If you're saying "I know" then you're not agnostic.

I mean, everyone has mentioned the contradiction already.

I don't know if the tiny, pink, invisible elephant that lives in your refrigerator exists because like ghosts.... and follow me here knox... there is no way to know that. Is the elephant or ghosts real? FUCK NO!!!! You would have to be mentally ill to think that.

We can do this over and over again if you are still having a hard time grasping reality (which you seem to be doing).

You people are still bickering incessantly? Go out and have a few bagels or something.

^ you must stpread rep.

or we could get a bag of popcorn and keep watching

to quote our dear terrible crayons:

Tupac agrees.

No offense, but you keep saying the same thing about how we're all so quick to dismiss all these 'facts' we're faced with.

But... uh... unless I missed something (and that is certainly possible!), what 'facts' about ghosts has anyone dismissed?

since hevusa has set a precedent for urbandictionary as unimpeachable and objective evidence, here is some absolute proof for the existence of ghosts


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1) The discarnate soul of a deceased human being or animal still occupying the physical realm. These spirits may or may not know that they are dead. They can also be called forth.
2)Residuals.
3)A demon, angel, saint, or Christ Himself.
4)A poltergeist.
There are actually many kinds of ghosts, but to name them all and give definitons would be impossible, due to a limit of space.

The kind of human or animal ghost that is an actual sentient being is called an apparition. Many of these beings are restless because they do not know that they have passed on due to unexpected events that ended their lives, or believe they have unfinished business to attend to. Many occupy places they frequented during life. Some do know that they are dead, and may come back for reasons of revenge, or to comfort or warn a loved one of some kind of impending disaster, or to lead them to some fortune or treasure. Others just like to hang around and see what's going on with other people. The ghosts who do the same things over and over again are the ones who don't know that they are dead, and are actually prisoners of their own minds: It may be the year 2006, but in the mind of the ghost of a person who died 100 years ago and didnt expect or realize it, it's still 1906 and he's still trying to perform whatever action he was preoccupied with when he died. They can also be called forth by seances and Ouija boards, but you better know what you're doing when you call forth a spirit. If you're poorly prepared, if not at all, you could bring upon yourself some really weird and terrifying results that will not go away. It has happened, people.
2)A residual is a ghost that has no intelligence behind its actions. It acts just like a ghost trapped in its own mental prison of time, the difference being that a residual is psychic energy imprinted on the fabric of time and space, stress ...

Quoted for truth.

The main fact is that I said I wasn't willing to discuss it at all.
Another fact is that nobody here is willing to discuss anything, more like looking for opportunities to be an idiot. Next time you claim to be something, please make sure you know what this something means.

How far can the pink elephant go? Why is it in the fridge?

I had burger and chips and then the conversation got too good - talking about Gavin Rossdale's hair highlights - and a few espressos were ordered, and now I feel like Iggy Pop in that film about coffee or something.

Well, I was kind of referring to 'facts' about ghosts, not of the ins and outs of the thread itself.

I don't think I've claimed to be anything but a skeptic, and I'm fairly certain I have a good grasp as to what that means. Maybe you're referring to someone else?

I wasn't talking about you? Did it look like it?
Sorry.

I don't care what people believe in (as long as they're not bugging me about it), haven't been trying to convince anyone of anything.

fixed!

:)

:)

wow.

Only thing I hate about not believing in ghost, is meeting/knowing people (I feel as if are trustworthy) that have very compelling/believable stories. I mean, they are fun and I find myself WANTING to believe them...but that skeptical/LOGICAL mind of mine always has to get in the way.

That said, I always use this as a reminder as to why I should never fully trust anyone.

that pretty much sums it up.

I have the evidence to answer these questions but I'm not going to show it. What would the point be?
The tiny, pink, invisible elephant is real in one way or another.

TAKE IT BACK! HOW DARE YOU BE SO RUDE AS TO CHALLENGE PRINCESS KNOX! SHE HAS INSIDE INFORMATION ON EVERYTHING FROM FIREARMS IN THE UNDERWORLD TO THE PARANORMAL! SHE IS GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD ONE THREAD AT A TIME!

word, and Makaveli is the Christ of Hip Hop (peace be upon him).. Blessed are the peace makers...




hevua, you need to catch up on your Joseph Campbell..

vampires, dragons, werewolves, sea monsters, all these things are very much real. Whether they exist as the face value form of hollywood monsters, or if they are symbolic representations of real things, such as stories of vampires which actual allude towards a description of the corruption of local land lord, or the stories of dragons in the forest or mountains which represent the fear, dread and natural sense of anxiety humans experience of the unknown such as the first day jitters or death bead blues..

. Our myths and monsters are our symbolic and collective way of explaining, interpreting and transmitting the subtleties of our complex reality. These are the collective images of our subconscious mind which we use to describe to experiences of our real world and give it flavor, color, timbre, depth and meaning.

Ghosts are real in a sense of the realness of the feeling of those who perceive them and they represent a variety of things to those who experience them, and you should not be so naive as to curtly dismiss peoples feelings simply because you must not have any of your own.

There's a difference between a feeling and the actual presence of a dead entity in ghost form. Just because a child is scared doesn't mean that there is actually a monster in his closet....even if he feels there might be. A feeling alone does not, and should not EVER prove anything as feelings are not to be trusted....they are often wrong.

And we aren't discussing ghosts/vampires/goblins/dragons as metaphorical beings.

Ghosts, vampires, dragons, werewolves, sea monsters, are not real in any sense of the word, except the Alice in Wonderland kind, unless you would like to become the first person in human history to present objective information about their existence. You are really grasping at straws to validate your God lie. NOT GOOD! What a steaming pile of dung.

Sea monsters are real (giant octopus for example, which are the size of a boat).
I mean: "really real" :)

Why should I believe in ghosts?

More people should be asking this very question. You SHOULDN'T, unless of course you yourself see one. And even in this case, you should still question what ya saw...which isn't to say you did not (or even did...) see one.

Can I see a ghost when I do not believe in them? Or will my perception build another thing out of the images my eyes see?

why not?

dear suchfriends,

did you hear shannon wright's new album? it is excellent.
much, much better than the last two.

love,
knox

no I didn't even know! what a pleasant surprise, though the last two were fabulous records, I liked them very much so.. each shannon wright album is a gem unto itself, with its own flavor. My favorite is of course Over the Sun, but its got more teeth than the others..

Hey, send me a copy.. pretty pretty please?? (4shared.com)

until you come to realize that there is truly and honestly no such thing as objective information, then the only one grasping at straws will be you. You're clinging to supposed objectivity in the same tenacity as one might cling to God(s), where as such things are Mysteries, meant to be experienced, not understood. Only a fool deceives himself into believing in any absolutes, either in God(s)' existence or non-existence or otherwise, in science as fact when all working scientists understand that science is ever-evolving, and there are no absolutes. And anyways, why you bringing God(s) into this? This is a thread about ghosts, not religion!

yes, over the sun is the best. but this one will definitely grow on me, and it's not as mellow as honeybee girls. i'm in love with the second track at the moment.

The term "supernatural" makes virtually no sense to me. If something can happen, it can only be natural even if it may defy (current...) human understanding.

But with all the things we know exist, all the black holes and wandering minds, I can't really trouble myself w/ the things that scared me as a 4 year old + have still yet to witness. Seriously, black holes are scarier/more interesting than any ghost.

I'm sleepy.