only those Brits and other NATO forces can pull that off, here with the good ol boys in the good ol U-S of A its don't ask don't tell ;)




swa(y) this has been a very revelatory thread about you, perhaps you should honestly stop posting in it and then you can stop pulling your own covers on shit..

like what else, causing grievous injuries and maiming little women and children?


oh yeah, how could we forget modern artillery, the steel jacket bullet, the rifle, the assault rifle, the semi-automatic pistol, rockets, rocket propelled grenades, depleted uranium rounds, the tank, the attack helicopter, the fighter jet, napalm, chemical weaponry, biological weaponry, nuclear warheads, land mines, recoilless full automatic shot guns, automated attack drone aircraft, the ICBM, surface to air missiles, and the good ol fashion ranbo knife, all perfect for a delightful country brunch with grandma eh ? :)

lol internets

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kinn again.

Gun dem rass.

Yeah, that stuff too. Again, I don't live in some fantasy world to where such stuff isn't needed.

Let's discuss god's role throughout the history of war/genocide...you reevaluate YOUR own way of thinking, and maybe then discuss something that makes a little more sense.

;)

but ur not good with sense.

i'm insane and i know that.

suchfriends supports:

the crusades
the holocaust
the way native americans were treated
the way slaves were treated
witch hunts
suicide bombers
persecution of Jews as Christ killers
northern Ireland troubles
televangelist weasels attempting to get into the pockets of the gullible

(just using the same kind of logic you are projecting).

Never trust the delusional. My opinions might be a bit out of whack, sure, but at least ALL OF THEM are based off of shit I can see, and none of it affected by the shit I can't.

what are you suggesting, a contest?

Perhaps I would be if it could even qualify as a contest. It can't.

Suchfriends wants to act as if he can determine so much about an individual based off a couple of opinions he's read on the internet...just demonstrating that I can play the same game.

childhood indoctrination ='s RAPE!

He's not Catholic


He's not Catholic or Protestant
He's an American, then a Christian. Moot.

If there's anyone who's more involved in not being that on this board, I'll eat my hat (I'm not wearing a hat).
He's from Cali, wrong side of America.

Not noticed where he said this.
A patristic inheritance not picked up until the medieval times; he's Eastern church, who've maintained a stronger relationship with Jews than European or American Christian
He shot his mouth off about that once. Fair point, perhaps.

Who doesn't love that?

Catholicism is the oldest form of Christianity.

Can't win there.

Well, first of all, not true (speaking ecclesiologically and with deference to my non-Catholic friends) and second of all 'ah, so you see why some groups sought to distance themselves from the crusades'.

Didn't trust you in the first place but thanks for reiterating.

They're going to use water cannons at the next protest. The article below is NSFW.

http://thethirdestate.net/2010/12/th...water-cannons/

If it were in the US they'd probably be using artillery by now

might be referring to this

Please, you entirely misunderstand me when I say you are pulling your own covers. I hardly suppose to presume or explain to know everything about you from a few posts on a message board (though honestly I might know you from a few thousand), and my posts were not aiming for analysis, more to help you out and try to bail you out and let you know that your venting and griping on this thread has been way to many foot in mouth moments, and it does not seem very representative of you in other aspects. Its no beef, in fact I was hoping quite the opposite. So why go the troll route and try to sucker me into turning this thread into some kind of religious debate? I've exhausted enough effort griping myself about higher education, find me at the Church for a nice religious discussion :)

And just in case anyone still thinks the police are anything short of animals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXNJ3MZ-AUo

Yeah, like that wasn't lamely set-up by the protesters to make the police look bad. What a bunch of fucking wankers. :rolleyes:

^ shut up

The filthy bastards could do with a wash. Maybe the police will throw bars of soap at them before using the water cannon. :D

You're right, I very often use my pathologically infirm friends as political ruses for a jape. God, it's a riot round my way I well you.

Perhaps you should carry a placard exhorting people to gargle familial piss at the next protest?

lawyers are getting involved over the whole kettling thing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...g-human-rights

thanks for posting that. he really gave it to the reporter.

It's not just happening in England, either. Riots have broken out in Italy following Berlusconi's narrow victory in a vote of no confidence. Interesting times.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...nfidence-votes

eh.. the police do more than a good enough job entirely on their own to make themselves look bad, they hardly need our help. speaking of which, Long Beach PD killed an unarmed man in front of his apartment 4:40 Sunday afternoon over a misunderstanding, hell of a misunderstanding ("
Zerby says he counted 27 bullet holes surrounding the area where his son was killed.") :(


Don't forget the recent 2010 uprisings in France and Greece and probably will spark off in Ireland soon nuff..

Its a shame, the same kinds of 'austerity measures' which are part of the US budget proposals are hardly getting any attention, including a serios education funding cuts, welfare cuts, tax raises, and of course raising the social security/medicare retirement age to 68! The US approach is actually making EU efforts look rather tame and empathetic in comparison!

Rioting is too much of a European tradition, I wish Americans would pick it up from time to time, oh wait, our police carry assault rifles at parades for Christ's sake, maybe that's why we rarely spark em off ;)

i was just reading that! what's intersting about this to me (i like to notice things like this) is that riots and revolts and such usually happen in the spring or summer-- for this to happen in the middle of winter is either a sign of global warming or that people are seriously pissed off.

i hope it's the second.

i am tired of working people getting financially raped while billionaires live it up. look at our great "tax deal" here in 'merica. republicans fought a child nutrition bill that would increase the cost of school meals by 6 cents per child while at the same time refusing to stop giving free money to the rich.

i'm jealous of england and italy, at the moment. americans are so fucking brainwashed it's terrifying.

considering Europe has been going through a deep freeze lately, I'd suppose its safe to say the latter ;)

i'm afraid of the words

20 votes more and it was won
i don't like that kinda make up your mind
in a flat vieuw i think
people who are on some imagined hierarchy top
are in fear

and that part voted for higher students fees
when people are in fear they make no good decisions
being unaware of a difficult position when you don't have much money

anyway
there needs to be done more thining of people can equalize their life
without haveing an dictatorship of the highly educated or wealty peeps
so fear can be moved aside and rational intelligent system for everyone can work
no mater having money or no money

Student fees protests: Does rioting change anything?

By Jon Kelly BBC News Magazine
Angry protests against tuition fee rises in England have been marked by rioting. Like them or not, do such tactics prove effective?
It was a disturbing, unforgettable tableau, a sight that may come to define an era of unrest: Parliament Square, in the aftermath of serious civil disorder, scattered with charred debris, mangled barriers and broken glass.
The roll-call of injuries, the cost of the damage inflicted on central London's infrastructure - all prompted swift condemnation from the home secretary and the National Union of Students alike.
But if drawing attention to their cause was the protesters' aim, the wreckage proved effective. Every newspaper front page and TV bulletin used images of the chaos to illustrate the anger unleashed among students by the government's plans.

Britain's heritage of disorder


Ian Hernon, author of Riot!: Civil Insurrection from Peterloo to the Present Day
Whether or not you think it's morally right, rioting played a part in bringing about the right to vote and in the formation of the welfare state.
By contrast, we had a million people [peacefully] taking to the streets to stop the war - not only did Tony Blair ignore it, he won the next general election.
That's not to say that rioting always works or that it's always in support of a noble cause - far from it.
And in the case of the poll tax, you could argue that the fact there was such strong opposition from across society was much more important than one riot.

This disturbance, as with any other, is the focus for claim and counter-claim about whether police or demonstrators instigated the violence, and whether a hard-core of militant protesters or the Met's "kettling" tactics were responsible for escalating tensions. Chief Constable Paul Stephenson has blamed dedicated "thugs" in the crowd for instigating trouble while supporters of the protesters complain of alleged police heavy-handedness.
Putting aside the rights and wrongs of this particular case, the British public insist overwhelmingly that they are repulsed by rioting. According to a recent poll by YouGov (PDF), 75% of respondents agreed there were "no instances in which violent protest is acceptable in a democracy" - although some 19% believed there were circumstances in which it could be justified.
But few would approve of hurling a fire extinguisher from the roof of a tall building.
Yet in between such behaviour and peaceful protest lie direct action and civil disobedience which target property, rather than people. This lineage stretches back to the Suffragettes, who smashed windows, set fire to letterboxes, chained themselves to railings and defaced paintings in the cause of women's right to vote - and, ultimately, prevailed.
Continue reading the main story “Start Quote

Any government that has any fortitude at all has to show it's not influenced by that stuff”

End Quote Peter Hitchens Mail on Sunday
The battles for the right to vote; bitter labour disputes during the miners' strike at Orgreave and the News International dispute at Wapping; and landmark disturbances in London's Notting Hill and Brixton, Liverpool's Toxteth and West Yorkshire's Bradford all left their mark on British history.
And the UK is hardly immune. Economic instability has led to a recent spate of unrest around the world, with Italy the latest country to witness violence on the streets following a controversial government vote of confidence this week.
One former rioter who downplays their significance, however, is Mail on Sunday columnist Peter Hitchens. Now best known for his trenchant conservative views, in 1968 Hitchens earned his political spurs as a left-wing radical at an anti-Vietnam war demonstration by hurling mud at the police.
Today, however, he insists that in a free country, the authorities have a duty not to be swayed by the actions of the mob.
"It's tremendously exhilarating," he admits. "Riots are fun. The self-importance, the adrenaline rush of slight, but not serious, danger.
"But it can't be justified in free countries where there are legitimate means of expression. Any government that has any fortitude at all has to show it's not influenced by that stuff."
The Suffragettes, of course, insisted that they were using direct action because they were denied the vote. Today's student demonstrators cannot make such a claim - at least once they reach 18.
Additionally, advocates of peaceful protest say violence of any kind undermines the moral authority of the protesters' cause.
The Suffragettes used direct action - but they were denied the vote
However, New Statesman columnist Laurie Penny, who reported on the Parliament Square and Millbank demonstrations from the front line, says this assumption that British democracy guarantees everyone a voice is undermined by both the ineffectiveness of the Iraq demo and the sense of betrayal felt by students who voted Liberal Democrat because of the party's pledge to vote against fee increases.
She condemns the throwing of the fire extinguisher and those who set out to attack police officers. But she insists the majority of those who took part in civil disobedience had no other way to articulate their frustration.
"Peaceful protest is utterly ignored in this country," she says. "What the government wants is for people to be docile."
An act like smashing windows of tax avoiders, she argues, is "not a cause of social breakdown, it's a symptom of social breakdown".
The view from the other side of the police line is, of course, very different. Brian Paddick, a former Deputy Assistant Commissioner with the Metropolitan police and one-time Lib Dem candidate for London Mayor, gained his formative experience of civil disorder as a young sergeant during the 1981 Brixton riots.
Recalling how he and his officers were attacked with paving slabs, bricks and lumps of concrete, Mr Paddick cannot condone the violence.
But he did understand locals' sense of voicelessness and anger at the heavy use of stop and search targeted at ethnic minorities in the area, and this heavily influenced his own community-led approach when he became Brixton's commander a decade after the violence.
"In 1981 nobody would listen," he says. "No media would cover the oppression that, particularly, young black men were suffering at the hands of the police at the time.
"The uprising in Brixton was understandable if not legitimate. You can't say that about the violence on the streets of London in the past few weeks."
Everyone will draw their own conclusions about the justice, or otherwise, of the merits of individual protests
The only certainty is that the threat of disorder will persist as long as it captures our collective attention.

it's about a political win
for what reason?
there is no money? we need to get money from students?

there is a riot?
for what? there is a shortage of food?

first is there a real proof that there is no money
and the only people who can save the GB are student by paying absurbd high prices to go to school

what is this? c'mon
what an image are you building for the world to be rememberd by

what is the reason of high fees?
can some give an answer? some one who is responsible?
there everthing dissapears when you look for the responsible person to explain why higher fees?

is it a financial survival? created by who?

firts there is free acces to university
the first system
and now
why young people have more then ever difficult times
making it even more difficult for them
and leaving them with the world pollution, climate change and other serious
future problems ahead

now
piont the finger back in time to the 1980 ties
they had clean air
no AIDS
no overpopulation
low oilprices

now we are 30 years later

i would continue on the first system
totally free education
and then follow that evolution
with free energy (green energy)
free communication, phone, internet
free modern ecological housing that is easy to adaptable to the population

^this makes sense in a modern world

How clever, the State sends in violent provacateurs and police without badges to start a "riot" resulting in some "property damage" and now the police are going to ban student marches. THE SLAVES MUST LEARN THEIR PLACE DAMITOL. And the British subjects will not question their masters. They are good slaves. Almost as obedient as the US slaves

You do have better teeth though.

yeah, the doors had serious thoughts of people and living free
i follow their mindset
hopefully every generation does it better

It's kicked off in Greece now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...in-Greece.html