eta:

seriously though: this is proof that everybody fucks up. and i forgive your momentary stupity. seriously. i consider it over. i won’t come back to haunt you with it 30 years hence. please go on with your life. or “go in peace” as they say in the mass.

I'm over it...........NOW.

Actually, the only thing that bothers me is the "self-righteous" charge. I'm not sure where that came from.

Anyway, hardly. I call bullshit on a lot of the men who are supposedly aghast at bad behavior. I've actually been doing some self-reflection while I think a lot of my brothers have been pointing fingers.

Its Hollyweird, why expect anything else?

I want to see the MSM talk about Creepy Joe Biden. He's fucking shameless.

i consider self-righteous the notions that these transgressions are perpetually unforgiveable, and that only men commit them. there are degrees of bad, and there is always the possibility of redemption, or else we should all kill ourselves now.

the reason we don’t hear a lot about the abuse dished out by women is that if a man says something about it he gets laughed at or told that women get it worse. so you never hear about it and don’t think it happens. some of that is linked to certain notions of masculinity. some of that is outlined in the paper i linked you.

and sure the squeaky wheel gets the grease but just because we’re having a popular moment about “the menzes” it doesn’t mean there is an evil gender and a saintly gender.

abuse is abuse. and it’s pervasive. we’re a toxic species. all genders.

here, read this:

https://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-j...exual-assault/

yes yes, i know that thought catalog is supercorny garbage (it really is). still. check it out. if it was women writing that you’d be up in arms and horrified, but it’s men so i guess you’ll feel compelled to make jokes about it and discount it as insignificant.

Ug. Jesus, you made your point. Some dark stuff, and I stopped after only two pages.

thass what the ignore function is for, I swear, I am unable to follow some of this stuff sometimes due to the amount of members on my ignore list.

Dum dum dum duh-dum dum dum duh-dum...

Anti-LGBT politician resigns after being 'caught having sex with man in his office'

https://news.google.com/news/search/...n&gl=US&ned=us

...another one bites the dust-uh...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42041975

This is somewhat reassuring to hear. Although there still don't seem to be any clear solutions to a nuclear North Korea.

Robert Mugabe gone, Ratko Mladic sentenced to life in prison... Time for Mr. Lock-Her-Up to face the fuckin' music:

A Split From Trump Indicates That Flynn Is Moving to Cooperate With Mueller

https://news.google.com/news/story/d...6GJgpHQM?hl=en

I'm anxious/afraid the tax plan will pass.

Oh yeah, it's gonna pass. That's what happens when you give the reins to a bunch of a-holes

we’ll see...

can't we be be NICE to nazis and racists for just one day?!?

we all know Hitler had some GREAT ideas!!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/u...tionalist.html

Oh, so THAT's why The Shining gives me nightmares...

Anyway, life imitates art: in an episode of House Of Cards, then-vicepresident Frank Underwood meets with representatives of a Native American tribe in the White House. The tribe's chief looks at a portrait on the wall and tells Frank, "Is Andrew Jackson going to be joining us?" Underwood's response: "No, I'm sorry... That's a terrible oversight. [Turns to his chief of staff] Doug, will you remove that?"

I'll take murderous President Underwood over Trump any day of the bloody week.

My standard deduction doubles so I will pay less, I'm trying to figure out how that is bad for me.

They're gonna have to give back the mortgage deduction, so probably there goes my doubled standard deduction.

NOW WE'RE COOKING WITH GAS! From The Washington Post:

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Flynn could deliver a knockout blow to Trump
By Jennifer Rubin December 1 at 12:08 PM

The Post reports, “Former national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty Friday to lying to the FBI. … Flynn’s admission … is an ominous sign for the White House, as court documents indicate Flynn is cooperating in the ongoing probe of possible coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin to influence the 2016 election.” ABC News reports, “Michael Flynn promised ‘full cooperation to the Mueller team’ and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump ‘directed him to make contact with the Russians.’ ” That could be direct testimony implicating the president of campaign collusion.

Flynn’s plea marks a dangerous turn. Flynn was a White House adviser, not a campaign aide. Moreover, there is no passing him off an errand boy or bit player. “Trump developed a close rapport with Flynn on the campaign trail, where the general delivered fiery denunciations of Hillary Clinton, including leading a ‘lock her up’ chant at the Republican National Convention, and he gave Trump much-needed national security credentials,” The Post reports. “Flynn, however, had a mixed reputation among other Trump aides, who thought he gave the president questionable information and questioned some of his business dealings.”

We don’t know for certain what cooperation Flynn is providing on what topic, but surely it would be hugely helpful to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. A series of news reports recently described potential liability stemming from Flynn’s failure to register as a foreign agent, his alleged involvement in a scheme to return to Turkey a cleric whom its president blames for a coup and promoting a nuclear power project on behalf of a client when Flynn was in the White House. To put all that aside, Mueller — not known as a pushover in plea deals — would have had to be confident that Flynn could implicate high-ups.

National security gurus with whom I spoke suggest Flynn could be of help in several areas. He might provide details of Russian influence actors — how they operated and how they contacted and connected with him. (We should remember this is still a counterintelligence investigation.) Flynn’s help could be related to former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who has already been indicted for financial crimes relating to his connection with Russian players. Alternatively, Flynn’s help might be related to his dealings with President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, either with regard to alleged efforts to set up a “back channel” or with regard to Kushner’s own financial dealings with Russians. And, of most concern to Trump, Flynn could provide evidence relating to interference with the Russia probe, including Trump’s efforts to get then-FBI Director James B. Comey to lay off Flynn. The ABC News report, if accurate, suggests it is the latter, with fatal consequences for the Trump presidency.

Trump’s defenders will argue that this still does not touch on the underlying issue of collusion with Russia. That’s true but misses the point. If there was collusion, Flynn almost certainly would have known about it. He was both Trump’s closet foreign policy adviser and a pro-Russia operator who traveled to Russia to give a lavishly compensated speech and appeared on RT, Russia’s propaganda network, which he asserted was no different than any American news outlet. (RT has since be required to register as a foreign agent.) Trump can claim all he wants that the Russia investigation is a hoax, but if Flynn provides direct evidence implicating Trump, the president’s days in office are numbered.

Jennifer Rubin writes the Right Turn blog for The Post, offering reported opinion from a conservative perspective.

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Yeah, but tax bill is gonna pass. So...

Just read there's a song called "Lock Him Up" on Neil Young's new album, The Visitor, which was released today. Brilliant timing!

Mulvaney received about $475,000 in contributions from the financial, insurance, and real estate industries during his 2016 congressional campaign, including $9,200 from JPMorgan Chase, which was fined $4.6 million by the CFPB for failing to provide consumers with information about checking account denials; $6,000 from Wells Fargo, which was fined $100 million by the CFPB for the "widespread illegal practice of secretly opening unauthorized deposit and credit card accounts"; $8,000 from Citigroup, which was fined $8 million by the CFPB for "illegal debt sales and debt collection practices"; $7,500 from SunTrust Bank, which was fined $40 million by the CFPB to compensate Americans whose homes were foreclosed; and $9,250 from Bank of America, which was ordered by the CFPB to pay $727 million in relief to customers "harmed by practices related to credit card add-on products."

WAIT - I misread the AllMusic review:

"The record opens up with a declaration that America is 'Already Great,'*and by the end, Young and Promise of the Real are chanting 'Lock Him Up' in an echo of the chant Michael Flynn led at the Republican National Convention in the summer of 2016".

So, fake news, I guess!
:D

After reading your piece a few times, Robert, I can't help thinking the question should really be is if revolution can take place without war, specifically, without violent destructive war. Power does not usually give up its power, it needs to be taken. Governments fight each other through currency wars and propaganda wars

The Spectacle crows about cultural and technological "revolutions", and trivializes the real meaning with neverending revolutions in fashion and makeup!

Tax plan seems like it’s a-happenin’

I’m beyond furious. Been trying to stay sane which is why I’ve been avoiding this thread. But yeah... hostile corporate takeover of United States, now underway.

So long Medicare! Fare thee well, Medicaid! Buh-bye social security! Better luck next time, elderly people with cancer!

This was a hail Mary for a dying administration. Elections will simply be purchased outright from now on.

I’m gonna watch some fucking Seinfeld.

jeezus fuck, thanks for ruining my evening.

i’ll worry about the rest of my life later

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ps- it’s my fault for looking into this shit thread while drinking

well, shit, i can deal with this much better in the morning

alea jacta est. or: into your hands i commit my spirit

ha!

fuck me.

anyway, for robert: poor robert! so innocent. you really believed the lies of your personal antichrist.

well, brace yourselves... here we go!



i pray for a quick death over a long agony

Well I wrote that post after taking my evening klonipin, so I’d argue those are the only conditions under which one should engage at this point.

(Klonipin also reason for now-corrected typos, I’d imagine)

Wow. I agree with you.

anyway robert, as the contradictions of the system exacerbate (as the maoists would put it), you’ll have a better chance of your socialist revolution happening, and you’ll live happily ever after, under some tyrant, for decades to come. someone like... supreme leader ivanka, maybe? or little barron as pol-pot redux.

The tax bill passed, but it’s not reform......it’s not a huge tax cut.

It’s altering the edges, a little smoke and mirrors. It will help some, possibly many......others will be hurt, but neither worthy of celebration nor weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I disagree very strongly. This is a huge deal. This is a knife-twist. This is going to feed poverty (not people in poverty, but poverty itself), and widen the income gap. This is tailor-made to kept the rich rich and keep the poor poor.

$500 in tax cuts for someone making $35,000 a year isn’t going to mean shit when their health care is gone. This is a pestilential, malicious fucking corporate coup. Not business as usual.

Not that anything has been business as usual for some time now.

it will temporarily juice the economy and win agent orange another term xD

then he’ll finally be impeached and pence wll take over for 8 years of taliban rule

looking for a place to flee to...

You take away the right to live a life simply because you don't have enough to pay a medical bill or even the ability to get a medical procedure this is just the kind of thing American citizens should be in an uproar about. No American in the modern age should die cause they couldn't afford a life saving medical procedure. Our four fathers revolted against the British for less. Sadly, the idea of a true second American revolution is probably unlikely, but again, we revolted for less.

im not imputing malice here—only infinite, heartbreaking naiveté.

Indeed. From https://fareedzakaria.com/2017/12/01...er-than-we-do/ :

Jesus Christ Monkeyballs these guys are crooks. From Newsweek:

Jared Kushner Failed To Disclose He Led A Foundation Funding Illegal Israeli Settlements Before U.N. Vote

I think my issue is language, in that I think how we would define a revolution differs.

I would argue our political system is working perfectly as it was designed - to implement the will of the people. But the Will of the People is blunted and crushed, you can pick and choose why, I'd say its the result of 50 years of CIA disinformation replacing the national consciousness (I don't think we can understate the importance of billions of dollars being spent over generations to implement the policy then-CIA DIrector William Casey told Ronald Reagan:
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false"

I know. It’s not paranoia anymore. They’re goddamn terrorists, the whole brood.

Sex scandals are being used to unseat Democrats, and but when the scandal revolves around a pedo like Roy Moore, it’s no big thang.

Shouldn’t it logically follow that Trump calls for his own resignation? I mean, all things being fair and equal (which of course they are not).

just hold on until 18, Damn, it is awful. One thing we're doing in casa duclo, besides staying involved in our usual leftie groups is we are stepping up the charity. So far, I've given to local med clinic to fix some homeless people's teeth, a local group that makes and hands out free veggie burritos to whoever needs one at the local homeless hangout areas, a PNW abortion funding group and a contribution thru an Indian tribe to a female college students education funds.

the whiskey rebellion: cia false flag op

alexander hamilton, agent of the illuminati

this is why republicans always win: they're more loyal to each other. authoritarians generally are.

liberals have no compunction about feeding their own to wu's pigs whenever they don't fit their utopian ideals. right now it's the holy inquisition: guilty until proven innocent!

stupid fuckers

that's my i'm a radical centrist: i see shit *everywhere*

JOHN OLIVER GROPED ME IN A MEN'S BATHROOM IN GRAND CENTRAL STATION