Seven has aged terribly, or maybe it was shit back then too. I suspect that the only reason I thought it was good at the time is that I was only 15 or 16 when I first saw it

Obviously, Hitchcock is far more intelligent, innovative and involving than Fincher. Obviously. No duh. That said, Seven is about as meaty when it comes to "point" as most Hitchcocks.

If it's overrated, I'll buy that.
If Fincher is a mediocre filmmaker, I'll buy that too.
If Seven just plain sucks, I disagree.

And boo fucking hoo about the blood. You can watch Rambo wipe out hundreds of people with yellow skin but you can't bear to see some spatter from a white woman? I knew it.

You don't actually see anyone tortured, from what I remember. That's one of the differences between Seven and Saw.

But whatever. I'm done defending a movie that I thought was pretty good last time I watched it, which was probably a decade ago.

hey. dude. easy there. i'm not fighting with you (maybe someone else is but not me).

i hate rambo too btw. i mean first blood part 1 was good (i watched it a couple of days ago) but part 2 was LAUGHABLE and i stopped.

okay. nobody agrees on anything. and with rodney king dead, who will repeat his sad sad words?

but seriously. taste-based discussions.

Your face is boring!

not even in my sleep!

i actually have forgotten what seBBen was about lol

and i certainly recall no meditation




but he was played by colbert.

NO????

Yes, but who else at the time could they fill for such a role?

I couldn't stop laughing for any particular reason. It was everything you expect from a Wes Anderson flick, the absurd caricatures, the biting satire, the meaningless novelties exaggerated, the endless dead panning, only with flawless cinematography and a surprisingly pensive Bruce Willis drinking beer with a kid discussing the meanings of life. Of course, I was disappointed with what they did to Bill Murray, I haven't felt that bad for a character of his since Lost in Translation.. I'm glad I went into it knowing absolutely nothing about it because I might not have watched it otherwise. Also it was great to finally see a Wes Anderson movie without the Wilson brothers, as much as I loved The Royal Tennanbaums and enjoyed The Darjeeling Express tremendously, Anderson needed a change of pace.

I absolutely don't get Wes Anderson films. They never make me laugh. In fact they always depress me a bit. Anyone else?

I've only seen Royal Tenenbaums which just completely left me cold. I didn't hate it, just, as you say, didn't get it.


You mean the character who gets paid a fortune to travel the world, stay in luxury hotels and has a fling with Scarlett Johansson? My heart bleeds.

Crazy Heart

I like pretty much everything about this movie but can't help feeling that The Wrestler did the whole thing a lot better.

Wrestler was great.

I love all wes anderson films. They are good stuff.

Lost in Translation was made by Sofia Coppola, who only knows super rich super powerful people and their problems.

Dude, maybe we didn't watch the same movie, because you're describing George Clooney's Up in the Air more so Lost In Translation. Bob (Bill Murray's character) came across as shattered and defeated like the dude in American Beauty. He seemed somber, bored, regretful. His fling seemed both exciting and yet depressing, because it points to how ephemeral our human relationships can be. They can fill us up with joy, but this is temporal.

As to Moonrise Kingdom, I'm more in love with upon reflection. Its like, all the childish absurdities and biting dead-panning in Wes Anderson movies suddenly make so much more sense when acted through middle-school aged actors!! I hope he continues to make these kinds of movies, I dare say it will work better than any Wilson brother ever could! Whenever I watch his movies, like Tennenbaums or Darjeeling Limited the characters come across as blatantly childish in their behavior, and the trademark dead-panning only seems to solidify this effect. When you see this same kind of acting and writing but played through kids, suddenly it seems so much more apt.

Nostalgia is very much a part of Wes Anderson flicks, its why my pops especially enjoyed Moonrise Kingdom because essentially that was his life (not literally the plot, but the setting). Also Tennenbaums was satire of rich, the rest of his flicks aren't just about rich people, though I agree, they're not often poor.

Haha, you're obviously right. I suppose I just see Bill Murray's character as someone whose problems are those a lot of us wouldn't mind having, in place of those that we do have. At least he has the money to help him change if he wants to.

money does not help when you have to live up to other's expectations in order to maintain that money....

Sure. So he can leave his job and he'd have his freedom and probably enough money to live quite comfortably for the rest of his days. I'm not saying I envy the guy but in the big scheme of things he ranks pretty low on my list of people in movies that I feel sorry for.

loneliness and disconnection are tough though...

I feel sorry for John Rambo.

On that we agree