"Happened years ago. He is a new man. Forgiveness is Christlike. Let he who is without sin...etc."

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It was easy to "resist" when T's administration started. Remember when we all thought he'd be gone the next day? The next week? Okay, next month. Okay, but he'll never make it past 2017...

It wears one down. Defeat and resignation set in.

But I'm still convinced 2018 will be a turning point. Or a returning point.

"Oh, we can actually vote this year!"

33 senate races
39 gubernatorial races
435 congressional races!!!!!!

And don't believe anyone who tells you how any of these will turn out in November.

I've been reading parts of this thread. It's like other Trump threads on other music forums - mostly antiTrump, but a few Trumpists (eg tesla69? I think?), and we spend plenty of time standing across from each other shouting and giving the middle finger. But there's some good debate too. If we can reach for what we have in common I think that is noble.

I think tesla is very happy that the tax cuts give him more of his money. Understandable. How much more are the millionaires getting? Is that fair? Is the debt at 22T now?

Big news today seems to be meeting with KimJongUn. I don't know if this is good news or bad news.

get your tax cut today, watch the country’s infrastructure and social safety net crumble tomorrow

see: kansas

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lol the meeting of the egomaniacs

Seriously, doesn't an actual face to face give Kim legitimacy that he craves? Does anyone seriously think they will halt the nuke program for any reason? They are dangling that to get Trump to the table, surely? Where the fuck is Tillerson on all this?

he’s a carnival barker and a huckster and i don’t trust him one iota

this does have every appearance of a diplomatic coup though. sure thing. the dealmaker, whatever. it’s how he operates. grandiose gestures and gilded furniture and all eyes on him.

ask me again after they meet (or not). he might have forgotten about this by may, and have us looking at another distraction.

this guys is a serial bankrupt. great announcements, terrible finishes, stiffs everyone and comes up smelling of roses.

we’ll see. you gotta look past the bamboozling.

well put, all of that

The nukes in Korea (many fine nukes, on BOTH sides) are one thing. There is also way too much "conventional" weaponry (not weapons from a business gathering or from a house filled with nuns). If any rapport could reduce the amount of ARTILLERY alone, it would be great. After 70 years, there isn't a lot of reason to have massive amounts of arms and soldiers on this line.

Things have come to a pretty pass,
Our romance is growing flat,
For you like this and the other
While I go for this and that.
Goodness knows what the end will be;
Oh, I don't know where I'm at...
It looks as if we two will never be one,
Something must be done.
You say eether and I say eyether,
You say neether and I say nyther;
Eether, eyether, neether, nyther,
Let's call the whole thing off!

we need this diplomacy!

lol they didn’t send “you” that. it’s a fucking mail merge.

basically you sent it to yourself when you gave them your address

anyway, every lobby has its talking points... im not a fortune teller so we’ll see what happens with this eventually

Would you care to expand upon this claim and please preface it by explaining where you get your news?

the bottom of a bottle

self driving tesla in the ditch with a shunk in the trunk!




you may as well say, that "due to the unprecedented state of war, all Geneva Convention rules are suspended" --Oh, wait, Shrub already said that

Blah blah blah blah

You think Trump gives a fuck about those people?

he dont even give a fuck about his wives and kids....

The thing that amazes me most about Trump's "base" (apart from the complete ignorance they show on many / most real issues) is that they actually think that Trump gives a fuck about them, beyond reasons of political convenience.

Well isn't this convenient.

House Republicans break with intelligence community on Russia

More: https://news.google.com/news/story/d...us&hl=en&gl=US

some people never learn

And that's Rex Tillerson gone now. Classic Trump. This quote "We got along actually quite well, but we disagreed on things," said the president.' is pretty telling. He should look to Lincoln's infamous team of rivals and realise you shouldn't be surrounding yourself with yes men who bow to every ridiculous idea you pull out of your ass.

he fired Tillerson because of Tillerson's agreement with our UK allies and his denouncement of Russian assassination attempt on British soil. Trump, and his lackey son, have a multi-million dollar real estate deal with Russia/Putin.

Pompeo? By all accounts he admires Trump; is for the most part on the same page. He’s been briefing the president daily. They have, as Trump said himself on Tuesday morning, “chemistry.” When I think about what kind of man it takes to develop “chemistry” with Donald Trump, and realize that that man is about to be the United States’ top diplomat, it somehow leaves me less than reassured.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-mi...erson?ref=home

and a torturer will replace him at the cia

fucks sakes...

LOL

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!

Wait. What? Daily briefings actually occur?

pop up books and comics version:mad:

I honestly wasn't making a joke. I am genuinely shocked he's briefed daily. Like, every day? I still find that hard to believe.

he is briefed for 30 minutes, using as many images and graphs and charts as possible. Trump is nearly aliterate, or maybe severely dyslexic.

Most Presidents before Trumpo had 3-4 hour briefings every morning.

neither was I, as Rob detailed out

Tillerson was too intelligent, careful, and thoughtful to be a Trumpman. I suppose nobody should be surprised by his firing, but we should all be worried.

How about Pennsylvania then?

I'm convinced that Pence takes on the lions share of the daily intel. Pence scares me even more than Trump. If Trump goes, it gets even worse, imho. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

One day, this will all be over.

yes. i don’t like “hoping” but regardless, we have to wait out the historical pendulum

but holy fuck, what a wait

It might even be 2 terms, the way things are going. How does Trump still have 35%? New headlines keep shouting "Trump in dumpster at 35%", but if he has even that level of support after all this, then my hopes for a quick turnaround are shattered. And I'm not seeing Dems effectively presenting themselves as The Answer as we approach the middle of 2018. This is such a dark period for America and The World.

Still...how are things in Pennsylvania today?

im agnostic as to the future. when hillary was ahead i always said it ain't over till it's over. suchfriends who had been an adamant denier had a reality shock on election day and stopped posting altogether on this board since then.

but yes he could conceivably get a 2nd term. his core won't abandon him no matter what so all he has to conquer is a small increase from there. and as you know it's all about the electoral college not absolute majority (it's a federal system).

so... yeah you're right the democrats are not offering any kind of answer right now, at least to the general public. the democrats are the arsene wenger of american politics.

anyway in pennsatucky it's too close to call and too early to tell as far as i know. polls close 8pm east, not sure where in canuckistan are you relative to that.

Thanks. I'm west coast. 30min from this posting. If Dems win at least I can smile a bit today, in the face of all things Trumpian.

Pompeo as Secretary Of State...... The more that sinks in the more depressed I am.

yeah, so voting closes at 5pm your time, not sure when the election will be called but while on a normal situation i’d give it till next day here a recount is likely to be demanded no matter what, considering the current climate.

as for the pompeo-induced depression, you’re lucky to be north of the border. then again you’re also part of NORAD so ayayay. yeah. depressing.

I feel like hibernating. Wake me up when he loses the 2020 election (fingers crossed) or the golden shower tape is released, whichever comes first.