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!@#$%! 09.12.2015 10:35 AM

^^ you guys must have had bad math teachers

my math teacher taught us calculus with the help of slinkies and bach's music-- makes no sense in retrospect, but sure was entertaining.

i used to love math-- learning it felt like getting the key to the universe. i'd dream of equations. a pity i haven't used it in a long time but sure was fun to learn it.

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what's yer issue? What's givin' ya trouble? PM if you want.


break out the slinkies, profe!

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he and leibniz can just fuck off with everything.


without leibniz there'd be no candide, which is one of the funniest books in the universe (and it makes fun of him).

schizophrenicroom 09.12.2015 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOLghost
what's yer issue? What's givin' ya trouble? PM if you want.


just... the whole concept. i'ma send you a pm tomorrow when i'm at the library again before work. much appreciated!

i had fantastic math teachers in high school (and a shitty social choice math professor at fiu but that class had 350 people so it was just a slurry of badness all around) but stats/logic/probability stuff comes way easier to me anyways.

hah, okay, leibniz can stay for candide. but that's all.

!@#$%! 09.12.2015 02:30 PM

so schizo im wondering wtf do you need calculus for? aren't you in writing/communications/something? how can that be a prerequisite for you for anything?

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 09.12.2015 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
so schizo im wondering wtf do you need calculus for? aren't you in writing/communications/something? how can that be a prerequisite for you for anything?


I was thinking the same shit, but i often wonder if anyone aside from sadists need calculus ;)

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 09.12.2015 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by schizophrenicroom
just... the whole concept. i'ma send you a pm tomorrow when i'm at the library again before work. much appreciated!

i had fantastic math teachers in high school (and a shitty social choice math professor at fiu but that class had 350 people so it was just a slurry of badness all around) but stats/logic/probability stuff comes way easier to me anyways.

hah, okay, leibniz can stay for candide. but that's all.

I actually really liked logic but its not really maths, and my discipline is history and social science so breaking down the coherence of written and rhetorical arguments and statements in mathematical concepts is something i enjoy

schizophrenicroom 09.13.2015 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
so schizo im wondering wtf do you need calculus for? aren't you in writing/communications/something? how can that be a prerequisite for you for anything?


i need a math and science credit to get my associates finally, and i already have a stats credit. so i'm taking the credit-by-exam for calculus because that's the only one offered, and i can't take a class because of the money i owe. so i'm stuck taking this calc exam.

i love logic and the arguments/etc and symbols. i was decent at it, and my professor helped. just if this, then that. that made sense to me.

!@#$%! 09.13.2015 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by schizophrenicroom
i need a math and science credit to get my associates finally, and i already have a stats credit. so i'm taking the credit-by-exam for calculus because that's the only one offered, and i can't take a class because of the money i owe. so i'm stuck taking this calc exam.

i love logic and the arguments/etc and symbols. i was decent at it, and my professor helped. just if this, then that. that made sense to me.


ahhhhh. well if that's your ticket to paradise you have no choice but to learn to love it too. forget about what calculus is not. you can enjoy what is though-- there's real beauty in it. if you complain and listen to complaints your hate will only increase, confirmation bias will set in, your mind will close, and you'll just suffer more. but why suffer?

calculus is a way to count what it can't be counted. it's beautiful! in the case of dfferential calculus, it boils down to dividing 0/0. really. integral calculus is about mutiplying ∞ x 0. that's it really. fun stuff when you realize the problem that it solves-- it measures things that couldn't really be measured otherwise. it's used for all sorts of things from airspace technology to pharmacology, and without it we wouldn't be able to deal with anything with any technology where change happens. calculus is fucking gorgeous.

at the core of it is the problem of limits. how deal with things when they approach zero, or infinite. i'd suggest before you look at calculus, look at limits, and read up on infinitesimals..

there's this stupid joke i like. a mathematician and an engineer want to kiss a girl (that's the version i heard anyway, you can adapt to a less sexist/more updated version). the mathematician approaches halfway. then he approaches halfway again. then half of that. then again half of that distance, etc. he keeps getting closer and closer but never reaches her and concludes he can't kiss her. the engineer on the other hand only need to get as close as needed for all practical purposes. ha ha ha ha.

anyway that mathematician is just another version of zeno's paradox (aka achilles and the turtle), which is one of our earliest ideas about limits-- where things approach when they can't really get there. calculus starts from that.

in differential calculus for example you want to measure the slope of a function.

so in geometry you want to measure the gradient of a straight line you construct a rigt-angled triangle. you take the height and length and divide them and you get the ratio your slope. yes? for x that you move in the horizontal you increase y in the vertical. simple. used all the time in carpentry and construction and all that. the gradient.

 


but what when it's not a straight line? what if it's a curve? in each point of this curve the slope is different, yes? how do you measure the slope at each point?

 


to make a long story short-- in order to measure the slope (aka rate of change) at a curve, you take a tiny triangle that gets close to the curve. well that's not close enough to so make the triangle smaller. and smaller. and smaller. until the height and the length of your base approach zero. but you can't divide 0/0 yes? well, calculus sort of figures out how to approach close enough for all practical purposes, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

anyway, if you think about it-- the derivative (gradient) of a function is also a function. and the relationship between a function and its derivative can be really a thing of beauty.

 


anyway, speaking of functions. how is your algebra? because maybe it's algebra and not calculus that's giving you a hard time. i'd say check your algebra first and then calculus will come easy. won't hurt to review geometry and a little bit of trig first. trig palin.

alright you. best wishes. this can be fun.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 09.15.2015 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

calculus is a way to count what it can't be counted. it's beautiful! in the case of dfferential calculus, it boils down to dividing 0/0. really. integral calculus is about mutiplying ∞ x 0. that's it really.

at the core of it is the problem of limits. how deal with things when they approach zero, or infinite. i'd suggest before you look at calculus, look at limits, and read up on infinitesimals..


anyway that mathematician is just another version of zeno's paradox (aka achilles and the turtle), which is one of our earliest ideas about limits-- where things approach when they can't really get there. calculus starts from that.

in differential calculus for example you want to measure the slope of a function.



 


but what when it's not a straight line? what if it's a curve? in each point of this curve the slope is different, yes? how do you measure the slope at each point?


 


to make a long story short-- in order to measure the slope (aka rate of change) at a curve, you take a tiny triangle that gets close to the curve. well that's not close enough to so make the triangle smaller. and smaller. and smaller. until the height and the length of your base approach zero. but you can't divide 0/0 yes?

anyway, if you think about it-- the derivative (gradient) of a function is also a function. and the relationship between a function and its derivative can be really a thing of beauty.


 




 

!@#$%! 09.15.2015 11:19 PM

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!@#$%! 09.16.2015 11:43 AM

schizoooooo! mira:

https://www.khanacademy.org/math

(...aaaaaaaaand you probably already knew that. but just in case.)

EVOLghost 09.16.2015 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
schizoooooo! mira:

https://www.khanacademy.org/math

(...aaaaaaaaand you probably already knew that. but just in case.)



also wolframalpha! That site helps a ton.

EVOLghost 09.16.2015 03:26 PM

http://lerevelateur.org/

has anyone seen any performances by these cats? They'll be here next week. I'm thinking date night...I was just wondering if there's any negative reviews or whatnot.

gmku 09.17.2015 06:36 AM

I've spent the past three months in intensive therapy. I resolved my issues and I am no longer a pedophile. I am free to roam the streets and the city is safe.

schizophrenicroom 09.18.2015 11:24 PM

i'm trying to move my test date to november. tomorrow is straight studying all day for me.

Johnny "Magic Fingers" 09.20.2015 08:00 AM

Meanwhile....

 

Antagon 09.21.2015 05:42 AM

I'v been harboring a lot of anger lately. I'm trying not to let it get the better of me

!@#$%! 09.21.2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Antagon
I'v been harboring a lot of anger lately. I'm trying not to let it get the better of me

maybe your boundaries are being crossed without your permission

or maybe you're saying yes when you want to say no--giving permission when you don't really want to

maybe the anger is just trying to let you know about something like that, and you can perhaps be more aware to prevent these situations.

sounds like you're controlling your reactions when violations have already happened

maybe my speculations are completely off the mark and complete bullshit, but if not then i hope they're somehow helpful

 


ps- you're a much better person than me. i am quick to anger-- too quick sometimes. this in some occasions keeps the bullshit away, but other times it just conjures it out of thin air.

 

schizophrenicroom 09.23.2015 11:07 PM

the calculus is chugging along, finally. still not totally sure what's going on. got a vacation in st augustine in two weeks, too. october = a okay with me.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 09.23.2015 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by schizophrenicroom
the calculus is chugging along, finally. still not totally sure what's going on. got a vacation in st augustine in two weeks, too. october = a okay with me.

That is the flaw the higher order maths.. people understand how to do the mechanics without necessarily understand the underlying principles just like a lot of auto mechanics can fix a car without having to understand the principles of physics and geometry underlying how a car works.

Its why common core is emphasizing students learn how to explain the rationales behind their math work and also be able to reflect in writing about what they are doing, why they are doing it, ans importantly and perhaps the most challenging is to explain the process of how they learned it.

schizophrenicroom 09.25.2015 03:47 PM

yeah, having never taken pre-calc and only a half semester of trig, just all of the concept is totally gone on me

!@#$%! 09.25.2015 04:04 PM

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yeah, having never taken pre-calc and only a half semester of trig, just all of the concept is totally gone on me


Start maybe here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Func...mathematics%29

schizophrenicroom 09.25.2015 06:11 PM

the functions and stuff i'm generally getting. it'd help if i didn't having a raging sinus infection, too.

_tunic_ 09.26.2015 07:53 AM

 

h8kurdt 09.28.2015 05:25 PM

Boom! Managed to boulder a v5 that's been nagging me for the last coupla weeks, Everton win 3-2 after going 2-0 down AND I've managed to sort out a date with a lass I've been chatting too for a while.

Hope for the best; expect the worst and all that though. Meaning I'll break my leg bouldering, Everton will suddenly become injury stricken and go on the worst run in years, and the date pulls out.

EVOLghost 09.30.2015 06:15 AM

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tis irrelevant. for cat lovers:

...................im not a big fan of cats. they stink and make you play hard to get.

dogs are lickin, friendly, loyal, will love anything, bout that hardcore sex in public mammals with no shame. i'll kiss a dogs ass if I knew it'll give them gratitude.

fuck cats!! just saying, that kitty love needs to stop. I'll kick a cat in a heartbeat. don't flinch, just kick that motherfucker in da AZZZZZ!!!

I hate cats. those slimy nasty stinkin motherfuckers!!!






 


mah dog and mah cat. and me.

schizophrenicroom 09.30.2015 04:01 PM

i got a raise. 8.75 an hour. pfff.

i hate cats

!@#$%! 10.01.2015 09:30 AM

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mah dog and mah cat. and me.


whoa! i didn't know you were an orgy guy... but good job!

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i hate cats


only because you haven't met the right cat yet

dead_battery 10.01.2015 11:38 AM

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see i have those voices swirling around my head. i can hear everything else around me but if i pay attention they'll go away. going to sleep i have no problem. but awake, its like strobe light. it only happens when im really tired but i don't think it's normal. never heard anyone talk about it. i hear it at work sometimes but its like a radio. can't see purple or blue but that's what i imagine until a change the dial.

the point is i can handle it. just want to know if anyone has these like maybe after getting drunk? ok, it's hard to explain and not some may think it's bullshit. the more sleep i get the more it goes away.

ok!!!!, let me explain: if i ignore it it goes away. but if i let/when it lets looose it tells me to do crazy shit. almost i cant' understand it. seeing moving things too. i just thnk lack of sleep, but i have to turn the music up.


this is adult onset schizophrenia. the symptoms are mild but sound like they are increasing.

you are probably have some big deficiencies in your diet so first of all i recommend strong daily multivitamins and minerals. then sobriety and cutting out drugs and alcohol is the next step.

the only step after that is to go to the doctors. instantly they will pounce on you and start prescribing SSRI's which as an american you will have to pay for bigtime. before you through your money and potentially your brain away on this crap do some proper googling about the history, side effects and (Faked) research methods that went into these drugs. then understand that their reps bribe doctors all the time (video footage of them admitting is is easy to find). then understand that ANY bad effects that occur when you are on these drugs will be blamed on alcohol/street drugs that you have taken or may still be taking. then maybe come visit my psychotic brain damaged friends before they die or go back to jail and ask me how much of a contributing factor i think their constant intake of SSRI's are.

consider also that you will be labelled a nutcase and the state will have serious ammo against you, especially since you have a daughter this is something to think about.

consider also the idea of telling other people IRL about these symptoms to share your pain and fight the stigma is the most dangerously stupid thing you could ever do.

then consider that you just have a neurological configuration that is different from the majority of people and that there's nothing to worry about and nothing you can do provided you are able to not potentially exacerbate it with narcotics. also remember that you will be punished the most viciously and severely by others for your behaviour in times of stress due to the fact that your brain is wired different from theirs and they don't like that.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.01.2015 03:33 PM

Hey, its not that you made bad points, and in many cases i agree with a Jungian approach to schizophrenia, but sometimes its worse than just "a neurological configuration that is different from the majority of people and that there's nothing to worry about"

Rob Instigator 10.01.2015 03:41 PM

schizophrenia is to neurological configurations what a conjoined twin is to birthmarks

dead_battery 10.01.2015 03:52 PM

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Hey, its not that you made bad points, and in many cases i agree with a Jungian approach to schizophrenia, but sometimes its worse than just "a neurological configuration that is different from the majority of people and that there's nothing to worry about"


i dont mean it like that at all.

i mean his neurological hardware is functioning in a way that happens to a large number of people but not the majority. and since we are nasty fascist apes we take any opportunity to viciously pathologize, separate and lock up people who often are not a threat to us or themselves, but are just disturbing our fascistic sense of what "sanity" is.

worrying about it is futile.

in fact worrying about it is what all the legions of scammers, dealers (that includes the psych establishment) and advice givers want you to do.

fuck 'em all.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.01.2015 04:47 PM

No. There are some people who have a very disabling disease and literally need pharmaceuticals. Indeed a good friend of mine is schizophrenic and he was actually one of the first people to convince me that some people just need it. It is what it is...

schizophrenicroom 10.01.2015 11:05 PM

yeah, i had a problem with a lot of folks in NA who would try to convince people that they shouldn't be taking ssris/any medication because it's a 'drug'... so much bullshit in that theory that i don't even want to begin.

he's a psychologist so no medicine yet but found an adult adhd specialist and oh my god just talking to the guy twice has helped a ton to realize like, what a ball of tension/symptoms i am. he's a three buses/45 mintue walk (or 30 minute drive) but holy shit for $40 a session.

my ex (the one i moved to miami) for was found dead the day before his birthday a few days ago and that's just been fucking weird/surreal to handle.

Rob Instigator 10.02.2015 08:01 AM

that IS fucking hard to handle.

!@#$%! 10.02.2015 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by schizophrenicroom
yeah, i had a problem with a lot of folks in NA who would try to convince people that they shouldn't be taking ssris/any medication because it's a 'drug'... so much bullshit in that theory that i don't even want to begin.

he's a psychologist so no medicine yet but found an adult adhd specialist and oh my god just talking to the guy twice has helped a ton to realize like, what a ball of tension/symptoms i am. he's a three buses/45 mintue walk (or 30 minute drive) but holy shit for $40 a session.

my ex (the one i moved to miami) for was found dead the day before his birthday a few days ago and that's just been fucking weird/surreal to handle.


wow, those are shocking news. and i may be selfish but i have to say-- i sure am happy it wasn't you who was found dead there. so glad you got out.

also stoked to hear you've found a good therapist. a good therapist is a blessing and way better than 1000 priests.

whatever happens... keep punching.

schizophrenicroom 10.02.2015 04:49 PM

he's an absolute awesome therapist. kind of a kooky old guy who seems to be sorta add himself; he actually listens and it's awesome.

it's kinda surreal about the ex. i mostly feel horrible for his sister more than anything.

EVOLghost 10.02.2015 05:38 PM

I'd see my old therapist in a heartbeat...though I don't have health insurance atm....

terriblecanyons 10.02.2015 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by schizophrenicroom
yeah, i had a problem with a lot of folks in NA who would try to convince people that they shouldn't be taking ssris/any medication because it's a 'drug'... so much bullshit in that theory that i don't even want to begin.

he's a psychologist so no medicine yet but found an adult adhd specialist and oh my god just talking to the guy twice has helped a ton to realize like, what a ball of tension/symptoms i am. he's a three buses/45 mintue walk (or 30 minute drive) but holy shit for $40 a session.

my ex (the one i moved to miami) for was found dead the day before his birthday a few days ago and that's just been fucking weird/surreal to handle.


oh my fucking god are you serious??? alex is dead?

pony 10.03.2015 01:29 AM

hello you guys, i finished my studies THIS PAST TUESDAY and i am doing something else from monday on. high fives for everyone!

schizophrenicroom 10.03.2015 01:50 AM

congrats!!


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