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_slavo_ 03.11.2020 06:04 AM

Coronavirus
 
How's the situation in the country where you live?
Although right now I am in a country with 10th highest number of confirmed cases (more than 500) in the world, it's surprisingly calm. Noone is wearing masks, the schools are not closed, not even the work would send us home for homeoffice.


In my home land Slovakia though (only 5 confirmed cases), they closed schools and kindergartens, many companies work homeoffice, etc. Interesting.

Bytor Peltor 03.11.2020 06:56 AM

Here in the United States, personally, I feel people are over reacting.

The LA Times is reporting there is somewhere between 1000-10000 cases of coronavirus active in America. This is nothing compared to the TWELVE THOUSAND who have died from common cold and flu this season.

Coronavirus death rate
over age 80 14%+
70-79 8%+
60-69 3%+
under 50 1%-
0-9 zero fatalities

Last week in Texas, SXSW was cancelled. This week, SXSW Announces They Won’t Refund Tickets.

Most Texas Universities who are either on Spring Break or will start Spring Break next week are adding a second week off from classes due to Coronavirus concerns......there is discussion about returning to virtual classes. I’m not aware of any Texas High Schools canceling classes, but just like the Universities, they too are on Spring Break.

Next week (Thursday), the NCAA March Madness Basketball Tournament begins. One of the host cities is in Ohio and just yesterday the Ohio Governor Calls on Sports to Bar Spectators Amid Coronavirus Fears. It will be impactful to watch televised sporting events taking place in empty arenas.

Gov. Inslee of Washington to ban gatherings, events of more than 250 amid coronavirus outbreak......250 isn’t many people. A decent size church runs 400 on a Sunday morning.

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker declared a state of emergency Tuesday as the number of coronavirus cases in the state spiked to 92, more than double the 41 cases announced just 24 hours earlier.......a state of emergency over 92?

Meanwhile in Texas, the Toyota Center looked sold out for last nights Rockets game. The Houston rodeo is in the middle of its three week run averaging 60000+ patrons daily. We are headed to Houston today for shopping and fun, something my 17 year old daughter asked to do. I’m looking forward to seeing how many mask I can spy and I plan to report back with photographic evidence.

I would have more concern if I or a family member were flying and spending time in airports. Not saying I wouldn’t do it, but I’m glad it’s not a concern for us at the moment.

!@#$%! 03.11.2020 08:28 AM

here we have a ridiculous anti-science federal government which is doing its best to sweep things under the rug and pretend they have things under control while all they care about is pumping up the stock market. it’s laughable.

i’m not worried for myself but old and sick people are at greater risk so we’ll see how that pans out.

meanwhile, stores are sold out of toilet paper and hand sanitizer,

little kids are apparently immune or something unlike the usual flu which hits them harder so there’s something of interest for researchers. maybe it’s just nature’s way of saying “okay boomer.”

anyway yesterday for shits and giggles i played a few rounds of “infection” on my ipad. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

nicfit 03.11.2020 09:01 AM

Hello from Italy.

Disclaimer: I'm no medic, I'm just about to share some infos/ideas I gathered on different media/ talking with friends involved in the medical field etc., still, there could be a few inaccurate statements..so bear with me.

The problem with covid-19 is that (to put it in a simplistic way) it's pretty contagious and there's no vaccine / 100% proven treatment.

A few asymptomatic carriers can be the cause of quite a high number of contagions.

The Average Italian Guy still doesn't get that all the restrictions put in place by the government are not meant to deprive people of their freedom, but rather to "save" the elderly (here the median age is pretty high) and immunodepressed patients from a virus that would be way more dangerous for them and also to prevent the overload of our hospitals and national health care system.

There's already the risk of a shortage of beds in intensive care units all over the country.

Just plain people's stupidity could be a factor for the high number of cases here.
Also, tests are "free", and the number of tested people is way higher than in other countries, so the higher total of infected people could also be simply connected to a higher number of tests carried out by the health care system.

I hope things will get better in the coming few weeks.

Death rate as of now seems to be quite higher than the one for common cold and flu, but since there's no sure way to know how many people are actually infected worldwide (unless they take swabs from everyone, everywhere ha..) it's sill a bit unsure if those numbers can be considered realistic or not.

Schools closed, no cinemas, no concerts, no bars, no museums, no sport events, no masses etc. etc.
There have been a few riots in prisons, with 12 dead inmates in total (that's a tricky situation to deal with on many different levels, I won't go into details..).

People are advised to stay at home unless they have pressing/serious matters to deal with (work/health related, need to buy food and so on).

Nothing "life altering", imho, and I'm 100% willing to "endure" the restrictions the government is putting in place, also because as I said I don't feel at all confident in the Average Italian Guy's sense of responsibility.

Today one of the main isp had huge technical problems for some reasons...if THE INTERNET goes down, then I'll get way more worried for the reactions people may have in this situation, ha.

For those interested, this is a good site to keep track of the situation worldwide:

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...ovid-19/spread

_tunic_ 03.11.2020 09:16 AM

In Netherlands there's one province in voluntary confinement for one week, and it's where I live. But stores are still open, supermarket was busy as usual this morning. But social events and sport matches are cancelled. Large concerts as well with more than 1000 people attending, but for instance the concert hall Effenaar is still open. People are also recommended to work from home, but that's not possible for everyone. Like a man said that owns a cleaning company: "I can't tell my personnel to clean their own house". There were no traffic jams this morning.
My sister is celebrating her birthday this weekend, not sure whether I'll be going. It's recommended not to do social gatherings.

Antagon 03.11.2020 11:38 AM

Just above 200 cases. Universities are closed as of today - until at least April 4. Outdoor events have been restricted to less than 500 people, indoor events to less than 100. Most big concerts will have to be cancelled. I know several event organizers who do things on a smaller scale, but that's mostly due to them catering to a niche audience - hence there's no way they can prove in advance that there'll be less than 100 people. This is an administrative nightmare. The gov has suggested that people reduce their social contacts for the time being. There are those who welcome those measures and those who criticize them. Either way, both social media and media outlets proper are an echo chamber of conflicting ideas and even conflicting chunks of information. People are none the wiser for it. Shit is nasty - and I'm talking about the atmosphere here. So far fortunately no deaths at least. But the proverbial air is getting a bit to thick to breathe.

MisterTrick 03.11.2020 12:03 PM

in normal circumstances I think I wouldn't be so panicked, but Jenn's mom is 81, she smokes and her health in general ain't the best, and Jenn herself is asthmatic so that isn't reassuring either

so for her I worry very greatly, if my dad was alive he'd be high risk with his COPD, but that already killed him

Bytor Peltor 03.11.2020 12:17 PM

Charlie Kirk tweet

BREAKING:

The World Health Organization has declared the China Virus outbreak a pandemic

Make no mistake—this global panic is Beijing's fault and China should be held accountable

It's time to get tough on China for the damage they're inflicting on the world

!@#$%! 03.11.2020 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterTrick
in normal circumstances I think I wouldn't be so panicked, but Jenn's mom is 81, she smokes and her health in general ain't the best, and Jenn herself is asthmatic so that isn't reassuring either

so for her I worry very greatly, if my dad was alive he'd be high risk with his COPD, but that already killed him

are you guys taking any precautions with quarantine, etc? all meds stocked up, access to oxygen if required?

Bytor Peltor 03.11.2020 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
The Houston rodeo is in the middle of its three week run averaging 60000+ patrons daily.


Things can change in a hurry: Houston Rodeo is expected to shut down over coronavirus concerns, sources say


 

Bytor Peltor 03.11.2020 12:56 PM

BIG EARS FESTIVAL 2020 CANCELED

Rob Instigator 03.11.2020 01:17 PM

Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo ( a 14 day event) has been cancelled 3 days in.
https://www.click2houston.com/rodeo/...r-coronavirus/

Screaming Skull 03.11.2020 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
Charlie Kirk tweet

BREAKING:

The World Health Organization has declared the China Virus outbreak a pandemic

Make no mistake—this global panic is Beijing's fault and China should be held accountable

It's time to get tough on China for the damage they're inflicting on the world


Agreed. While the left was feigning outrage and crying racism over references to the "Wuhan" or "Chinese" virus [gasp!], the Trump administration was decisively restricting travel into the US from the affected areas. I know, I know...he's a white supremacist who doesn't believe in science, right?

!@#$%! 03.11.2020 02:14 PM

lmfao @ trumpkins always blaming everyone but themselves

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/4...virus-outbreak

choc e-Claire 03.11.2020 02:43 PM

For fuck's sake, you'll try to shoot your own shadow once you realise it's black.

Australia is okay at the moment, but we're in the position Italy was at two weeks ago. I need to be careful about washing hands, given my job.

ilduclo 03.11.2020 04:10 PM

Just had our annual Democratic Party Pancake Breakfast fundraiser cancelled. Looks to be a good idea. Want them folks to survive, at least to November!

greenlight 03.11.2020 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _slavo_
How's the situation in the country where you live?
Although right now I am in a country with 10th highest number of confirmed cases (more than 500) in the world, it's surprisingly calm. Noone is wearing masks, the schools are not closed, not even the work would send us home for homeoffice.


In my home land Slovakia though (only 5 confirmed cases), they closed schools and kindergartens, many companies work homeoffice, etc. Interesting.



yeah Slovakia seems to be on high alert since 10th. case confirmed. as a preventive messure, schools, kindergartens, sport events, big gatherings, my german course etc. were shut. half of my colleagues (females with kids mostly) are on home office, which, in the end is a good thing probably, because our health system would not cope with a similar onslaught of infected people like in Italy, haha.

I am tired of it already. it is like a main topic now. hope it is going to pass soon.
though streets are calm, business as usual. still, strange week.

MisterTrick 03.11.2020 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
are you guys taking any precautions with quarantine, etc? all meds stocked up, access to oxygen if required?

doing some stocking up, and planning to hunker down if needed, will need to get some fuel soon

GravitySlips 03.11.2020 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Screaming Skull
Agreed. While the left was feigning outrage and crying racism over references to the "Wuhan" or "Chinese" virus [gasp!], the Trump administration was decisively restricting travel into the US from the affected areas. I know, I know...he's a white supremacist who doesn't believe in science, right?


You love "the left" really Skull.
I bet you spend enough time thinking about them anyway :p

ilduclo 03.11.2020 05:52 PM

we've stocked up enough food for 2 cats and 2 people. Can give it away to food banks and cat rescue orgs if we don't end up needing it

_tunic_ 03.11.2020 07:11 PM

Interesting article, haven't read it completely yet, it's already way past bedtime
Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now

Bytor Peltor 03.11.2020 07:20 PM

Dr. Drew: Media-driven panic over coronavirus is a bigger problem than the virus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
Charlie Kirk tweet

BREAKING:

The World Health Organization has declared the China Virus outbreak a pandemic

Make no mistake—this global panic is Beijing's fault and China should be held accountable

It's time to get tough on China for the damage they're inflicting on the world



Sharing this tweet wasn’t meant to be political. We had stopped at a thrift store so my daughter could try on a dress. I jumped on twitter and this was the first I saw regarding the World Health Organization calling the outbreak a pandemic. It was a minute or so later that my wife came out informing me the rodeo was canceled. My wife, daughter and some of her friends were going to see Lizzo Friday night (not now). On the radio they said the Houston rodeo has a bigger financial impact on the cities economy than when they host the Super Bowl. The 60000 patrons that attend daily during the week increases to 75000+ on the weekends.

On the way home we stopped at Sams Club to pick up a few things, they were all out of toilet paper. I haven’t heard that the crono gives you the shitzo’s, so I’m unsure why TP is such a hot commodity???

 

choc e-Claire 03.11.2020 07:39 PM

Non-political? Charlie fucking Kirk, of fucking Turning Point fucking USA - look at them for more than two fucking seconds, and tell me that any '''''''news''''''' from them is 'non-political'.

And the TP stockpiling is because you'll be stuck in fucking quarantine for two fucking weeks, and good luck dealing when you run out. Maybe you'll get to stick a hand up your own ass for once, rather than your beloved POTUS's.

!@#$%! 03.11.2020 07:43 PM

must spread more nutella or something. every fucking day.

Bytor Peltor 03.11.2020 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choc e-Claire
And the TP stockpiling is because you'll be stuck in fucking quarantine for two fucking weeks, and good luck dealing when you run out.



We didn’t go to purchase TP, I just saw they were out......which was odd. We have an unopened case, I’m guessing enough to last three weeks, but we’ll be looking to buy more.

Bytor Peltor 03.11.2020 09:05 PM

Perspective:

 







Following Rudy Gobert's positive COVID-19 test, the NBA season is in an indefinite suspension.

Bytor Peltor 03.11.2020 10:19 PM

This book predicted 2020 coronavirus outbreak 12 years ago.

 

floatingslowly 03.12.2020 02:26 AM

I work at a public hospital. We just began rigorous testing two days ago. Out of almost 300 cases tested, only one has come back positive (however with results taking multiple days, this is bound to climb sharply).

That said, we are still in the early days. This thing has been circulating in China since at least the middle of December, and community acquired cases are all but guaranteed to have been occurring for weeks here.

The toilet paper apocalypse is the tip of the iceberg showing, as those items take up large-volumes of shelf space. Soon most items will be hard to come by.

Personally, I've been preparing since early January, and I feel that I'm ok to shut my front door and not walk out for 2 months. As I see it, the virus won't be the biggest issue. Everyone will get it, and most won't die. The problem will be the lack of medicines, fuel (for Oz at least), and as someone who tries to only buy 95%+ made in Australia, a large number of groceries.

Small businesses will fail, people's rent will go unpaid, and homelessness will skyrocket in the coming months, globally.

It's too late to close the borders. Suck it and see, Sheilas. I'm here to live out my Mad Max fantasy.

floatingslowly 03.12.2020 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
Perspective:

 


Anyone who sell this as "just like the flu" is trying to blow smoke up your ass to protect their bottom line. Even with those ridiculously low CV19 numbers (you can't categorize someone who never got tested), that's a 5% mortality rate compared to .01% with the flu. As you get about 50 years of age, that mortality rate climbs steeply to three times that of those in their 40's, with those in the 70's dying at 8% and everyone 80+, 14.8%.

The fact that nobody under 9 has died likely points to a cytokine storm caused by previous interactions with other corona viruses.

Bytor Peltor 03.12.2020 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floatingslowly
Anyone who sell this as "just like the flu" is trying to blow smoke up your ass to protect their bottom line. Even with those ridiculously low CV19 numbers (you can't categorize someone who never got tested), that's a 5% mortality rate compared to .01% with the flu. As you get about 50 years of age, that mortality rate climbs steeply to three times that of those in their 40's, with those in the 70's dying at 8% and everyone 80+, 14.8%.

The fact that nobody under 9 has died likely points to a cytokine storm caused by previous interactions with other corona viruses.


I have no doubt this has the potential to be devastatingly tough on the elderly. The reason the elderly can reach such an age is largely based on them living during a —pandemic free— time in history......and access to fantastic medicine and health care.

However, keeping things in perspective regarding daily deaths, currently, coronavirus is mostly media driven hype mixed with the public’s overreaction.

Floatingslowly could be 100% correct about what’s to come......time will tell!

 

!@#$%! 03.12.2020 07:11 AM

fox news is the moronavirus and the magas are terminal

ilduclo 03.12.2020 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floatingslowly
Anyone who sell this as "just like the flu" is trying to blow smoke up your ass to protect their bottom line. Even with those ridiculously low CV19 numbers (you can't categorize someone who never got tested), that's a 5% mortality rate compared to .01% with the flu. As you get about 50 years of age, that mortality rate climbs steeply to three times that of those in their 40's, with those in the 70's dying at 8% and everyone 80+, 14.8%.

The fact that nobody under 9 has died likely points to a cytokine storm caused by previous interactions with other corona viruses.


Hey, FS, where did you find the mortality by age stats?

ilduclo 03.12.2020 10:27 AM

in other news Trimp's TV claim that health insurers "have agreed to waive all copayments for coronavirus treatments" seems to be news to insurance execs..........

“For testing. Not for treatment.” a spokesperson for the major insurance lobby AHIP says.

!@#$%! 03.12.2020 11:22 PM

disney parks closed

choc e-Claire 03.13.2020 12:18 AM

Australia's Prime Minister announcing all 'non-essential, organised gatherings of more than 500 people' should stop...

...after he goes to the rugby on Saturday night. :o

Bytor Peltor 03.13.2020 01:16 AM

I find it odd that the Texas UIL (University Interscholastic League) would cancel the State High School Basketball tournament in San Antonio, yet most public school districts have plans for schools to start back next week???

I don’t understand the logic of not sitting in the stands watching a game, but it’s okay for our kids to sit in class? Most school districts have canceled all sporting practices and extracurricular activities, citing travel as one of the reasons. However, it’s somehow permissible for students to ride the bus?

It’s probably a good thing school will be in session next week, it should help bring a bit of normalcy to these chaotic times.

100% TRUTH: I don’t know a single person suffering from coronavirus. What about you or your neighbors and coworkers?? It’s important to keep these facts in mind when sifting through hysteria driven news.

YES - people will get sick and some will die and this is tragic, however, today, we don’t personally know of any!

Bytor Peltor 03.13.2020 02:20 AM

Ohio Schools Closing for 3 Weeks Over Coronavirus, Says Governor

_slavo_ 03.13.2020 03:47 AM

I wanted to travel home to see my family after more than a month.
They shut down the borders, I needed to stay here in fucking Zürich

_tunic_ 03.13.2020 05:52 AM

Wow, that's a drastic measure to close all borders. I could imagine that only the border with Italy would be closed.

Over here we have more strict measures since yesterday. This is for the entire country, whereas the previous measures were only for the province Brabant. Universities are closed, but primary schools and high schools are still open, which basically nobody understands. The logic is that parents don't have to stay home for their kids, especially those that work in e.g. hospitals and police. But in all surrounding countries schools are closed. Classes at universities will continue by means of video conferencing etc.
All gatherings with 100 or more people are to be avoided. Many musea and theaters are closed.

Edit:
Borders are still open, but at the border with Germany the German police is randomly checking people.

_tunic_ 03.13.2020 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
100% TRUTH: I don’t know a single person suffering from coronavirus. What about you or your neighbors and coworkers?? It’s important to keep these facts in mind when sifting through hysteria driven news.

YES - people will get sick and some will die and this is tragic, however, today, we don’t personally know of any!


But note that you can already have the virus without noticing it. This takes a couple of days. And if you have it, you can already spread by e.g. coughing or sneezing. At least that's what I understood.


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