what is wrong with people?
 

Why are so many "musicians" letting go of the things that make good music?

Let me elaborate. Last Sunday, out of an obligation I made because I kept putting it off and wanted to not hurt anybody's feelings, I played guitar at some friends' house. Two of the guys there were drummers and they kept switching off. Neither one of them were good. Not trying to be mean; they would tell you the same thing. But there is a definate reason behind why they were no good. Not because a lack of experience; each of them had played for about 4 years. The problem, from what I could tell, is they had no appriciation for good music. They kept trying to impress each other with their double-bass "skills", giving no heed to perfecting ALL of the OTHER pieces of a drum set. I guess as long as you can hit 2 pedals really fast, who cars about the rest?

(Note: This is an incomplete thought. It may not make a lot of sense or stay on topic, but I had to get it off my chest, cause that crap just bugs me.)

ditto man. i hit drums for a band a while ago, and most of the drummers i know (bar one) are posers. being in a band is a fad for these people. it gets them looks.

You seem to have discovered why we used to make fun of Berklee Collee of Music grads - exquisiste technique but absolutely no soul or spirit - and of course, nothing at all creative or interesting. But perfectly done!

Yeah, you tell them.Waht is wrong with them?

I have a friend who is OBSESSED with the band Bright Eyes, and i mean OBSESSED, anyway he 'plays' guitar and sings like Conor Oberst, and is trying really really hard to try and pretty much completely copy what Conor does and has done.
But, he refuses to listen to any thing other that Bright fucking Eyes, he won't listen to any historical music and by historical i mean Beatles etc, the bands that Conor probably listens to and has great appreciation for.
Ive tried to get him to listen to the music of other singer/ songwriters who make that acoustic type music that Bright Eyes fits into, but he wont have it.

Anyway, this reminded me of what you said about your drummer friends, he has no appreciation for other musicians, and i think to be a musician you have to, You just HAVE TO!, otherwise how do you understand where you are coming from?

Enthusiasm over talent is what matters

Enthusiasm is rubbish, you can be enthusiastic about ploughing the same rut. iMagination is the key, willingness to dump all youve previously learned.

Ah yeah, I think I meant in a live on stage kinda situation... but of course you need all that stuff behind you!

I dunno... Im just trying to look clever...

:confused:

I havent been to a live gig in a while. I guess when it looks unenthusiastic it might not really be so. Many gigs ive been to where the band has looked half arsed but that has added to the appeal, it can be part of the show if you can carry it off

give him a chinese burn until he admits bright eyes are rubbish and conor oberst is a pussy

or shoot him down with a look that could kill. all women can do it.

when my ex-bandmates stopped getting into new music and stopped buying cds, i should have known the band was going to shit. it didn't take long before they decided they didn't want to play anymore.

Thank you! That's exactly what I was trying to get at, but my brain was to fried to think straight (from work, not drug related, haha). Seriously, these guys want to just be the next screamo band (which, by the way, I don't understand either). But they want to just start playing without ever learning the basics. And the ONLY thing they listen to is crap like Thursday, Silverstien, and all of that screamo crap. And sorry if that offends you if you are a fan, although I feel I am probably in good company here. But even if in the long wrong you want to do that TYPE of music, that's fine, it's your perogative. But if you want to do it and sound even halfway interesting and original, you have to broaden your horizons a little, otherwise you will just be another carbon copy with a myspace page.

well what i can think of is not everybody wants to be a professional musician. some people just wanna be in a band for fun, and that's ok, let natural selection take its course, or move to a place that offers more options; "northern ky" is still "ky" and maybe just maybe that's el problema??

Actually Lexington KY offers more as far as creative music goes than here... I wish I never moved in the first place. But don't discredit KY, just because we don't wear shoes and marry our siblings :)

ha ha, yeh, i was YOking. they have a decent university for the humanities in lexington, no? that's probably why...

Yeah, Lexington is nice, I really do miss it. It was a very cultured town considering it's size. It had a big city mentality without losing it's smaller city charm.

Ok, that sounded stupid, but if you know Lexington, you know what I mean.

ive been there, but shuttled between my hotel & the local dennis since i was there for work. people were super-nice and friendly and very hospitable. i was taken therefore to this truckdriver place to eat all these greasy specialties of southern cuisine that were dangerous for the heart yet very tasty.

however my sights now are on the hot brown sandwich, which i plan to try next time i go there, if i ever do-- matter of fact i might go just for the sandwich.

I always say it... There are a million guitarist around here - they can play amazing, fast and proeficiant but they still play an open mic in this shitty town and that is because they have no talent

Not really big on the hot brown myself. You know, I don't really like horses either. Maybe it was a good move afterall :) haha

why, horses make a great steak :D

well best wishes finding a proper drummer. with the internet these days, who knows.

(contre btw did some collaborations w/ some dude from chicago, she in argentina. some sweet tracks i recall).

it seems to me that a lot of people put musicians up on a pedestal, never taking into account that they're people, not prophets. when people try to emulate their favorite musician or whoever, we get crap "scenes" and genres like emo and hair metal. and who the fuck wants that? i want to be able to turn on my car radio and know who i'm listening to, which is impossible when every band sounds the same.

except for sun ra and keiji haino

and this guy:

Everyone is a musician these days but there really isn't many.

Can I rephrase that? Everyone plays a musical instrument these days, but there aren't many musicians.

Rephrase away.

Everyone calls themselves musicians and that "music is their life" when to the majority of society it is nothing more than background music.

There's a lack of creativity among music-makers at the moment. There are people responding to the formulaic road down which music is going, but their responses are just as formulaic in their own way. People want to copy, not create.



EDIT - Hah! The joke's on me here. My own response is a formulaic one!

Enthusiasm, talent, influences and imagination are all unnecessary. After watching the Fushitsusha DVD I figured out the secret to music……SUNGLASSES!! If you wear sunglasses while playing live you will sound ten times better.

Oh Lordy, that definitely DOES sound like a trip back in time. I remember the Jesus & Mary Chain and Sisters of Mercy wearing sunglasses and suddenly EVERYONE was. You couldn't go to a gig in the mid-80s without being bumped into by a hundred people who were blind as bats because of their sunglass-wearing.

:cool:
^
Me, in 1986.

with extensions and fangs, a career career career korea korea

Thanks, the sad thing is is that in Lex I played with the best drummer I've yet to play, and I've played with a few. He's better known as RdTv here, and if he tries to pull off that humble crap here, don't let him, cause he's an awesome percussionist. Now we get to jam maybe once a month, as opposed to our regular routine of every week. Oh, the good ol' days...

I spy somebody I know!

Except Keith.

And Patti.

HAHA. That's fucking hilarious.

i wear them any time i go onstage because the lights are so god damn bright.

toilette, haino and sun ra are exceptions.

i find it worse when people can't accept that they're as boring as everyone else and so they try really hard to make themselves seem interesting

high expectations just lead to disappointments, low expectations lead to pleasant surprises.
and besides, who the fuck do people with high expectations of others think they are?

You tell them,Toilet & Bowels!

it's no secret that the world would be a better place if i was in charge.