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!@#$%! 04.29.2007 11:20 PM

Bunbury, Porky & Co. -- recommend me an art magazine
 
i wanted to ask for some advice because i'm looking to subscribe to something that will keep me up to date with the art world. since moving away from DC to the land of malpais (huxley reference) i've felt culturally isolated, and i'd like to compensate this with a decent publication.

what i'm LOOKING FOR:

-something contemporary, that tells me what's going on today. i'm not interested in articles about the paintings of renoir and where they are doing a traveling exhibition (thought it would be nice to know, ha ha). i'm more interested in current trends, emerging artists, etc.

-something that can somehow (somehow! i understand the limitations!) compensate for not being able to go to galleries, museums, etc., for 11 months a year.

what i DO NOT want:

-something printed in europe where i'll have to pay a fortune & receive it 2 months late (as often happened to me w/ wire mag).

-something for art collectors who're looking to buy shit & amass their fortunes. i'd like news and commentary, not buying tips.

-something that describes exhibits that i can't see (envy is such a toxic emotion)

--

so...

art news? art in america? NYarts magazine? something i haven't heard of but should?

thank you. my brain will be forever indebted to you.

SynthethicalY 04.29.2007 11:48 PM

I somehow ended with this one, http://artforum.com/ It may be crap, don't know got it online.

atari 2600 04.30.2007 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

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so...

art news? art in america? NYarts magazine? something i haven't heard of but should?

thank you. my brain will be forever indebted to you.


You just named them.

Also Art Forum.

atari 2600 04.30.2007 12:17 AM

Hmm..no google results for Picasso's cover for the first issue of Minotaur (Minotaure) magazine in 1933...bastards.

Used to be here (apparently):
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:ODZz2sOgOGoJ:www.martinries.com/article1972-73PP.htm+picasso+%22minotaure%22+1933&hl=en&ct=cln k&cd=10&gl=us


Huxley persistently poo-pooed Jackson Pollock. Fuck Aldous Huxley. Little overrated twit. I guess he got on the cover of Sgt. Pepper though...the Peter Principle in action in the realm of philosophy, I suppose.
This thread reminded me of SyntheticalY's little "shout-out grouping threads."

val-holla-ing 04.30.2007 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
-something printed in europe where i'll have to pay a fortune & receive it 2 months late (as often happened to me w/ wire mag).


that's crazy. i subscribe to wire and i get my copy earlier than barnes and noble get theirs.

i'd recommend 'giant robot'. it's interesting, aesthetically.

atari 2600 04.30.2007 12:22 AM

Yeah, Giant Robot is so much better than Art Forum, Art News, or Art in America. You're so fucking cool.

atari 2600 04.30.2007 12:23 AM

jus' the way you write it and ev'rything

bash!

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later

!@#$%! 04.30.2007 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SynthethicalY
I somehow ended with this one, http://artforum.com/ It may be crap, don't know got it online.


you got subscription? you like it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600
You just named them.

Also Art Forum.


oh, im trying to pick one though, i can't get all 4, and i dont have a nice boosktore nearby that carries them so i can't compare them myself...

Quote:

Originally Posted by val-holla-ing
that's crazy. i subscribe to wire and i get my copy earlier than barnes and noble get theirs.

i'd recommend 'giant robot'. it's interesting, aesthetically.


hm, just looked at the website, looks pretty interesting! thanks!

about wire: it was hit & miss. & the crackheads @ the post office would jam it into my box, not good...

sarramkrop 04.30.2007 09:05 AM

I'd say check out Tate Modern's website to see if they sell on the internet. Their bookshop is one of the best ones i've ever been to, if a little pricey.

atari 2600 04.30.2007 09:07 AM

ARTnews, Art in America, and Art Forum have long histories as being the best. They are all New York-based publications though.



Maybe he wants some parisian mag for whateva reason.
...Or to go to London for a ride on that Tate slide...I know I do.

atari 2600 04.30.2007 10:25 AM

You mentioned Huxley in yr post and I've already
commented and although no one will care what
I write next, I am still motivated to do so because
it's relevant to this discussion on some (admittedly obtuse) level.

You see, the thing about Aldous Huxley is he was a
Brit and he didn't want New York gaining even more
cred as the world art capital with abstract expressionism,
so he liked to make fun of it.
Which is ridiculous considering that
a) he was supposed
to be a "metaphysical" free-thinker according
to many of his books
and
(most importantly)
b) the guy was legally blind (or just about there)
and he fancies himself an art critic!

Yet, there he is as the main intellect in a
panel discussion in several issues of Life magazine
in the early '50s putting down American
Abstract Expressionist painters and cow-towing
to the lowest common denominator by calling it a sham.

I'll write it again.

Fuck Aldous Huxley.

(He's a) tremendously overrated author,
(& a) tremedously overrated intellectual as well.

Quote:

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:QbJhytHFWTwJ:www.newcriterion.com/archive/21/feb03/huxley.htm+huxley+aldous+%22life+magazine%22&hl=en &ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
The frustration of Huxley’s natural scientific bent also had at least one malign consequence: a much too uncritical attitude towards fringe and crank sciences, especially those that offered some hint of a connection to the world of the spirit. He was an early enthusiast for the work of Dr. J. B. Rhine of Duke University, which Huxley believed had established the reality of extra-sensory perception. Huxley’s 1954 essay in Life magazine probably did more than anything else to bring Rhine’s “results” (which rested on a misapplication of the rules of statistical inference) to the attention of the broad general public. J. W. Dunne’s “experiments with time,” which involved sifting through one’s dreams for episodes of precognition, got Huxley’s attention. So did dianetics, which was later incorporated into Scientology. Huxley and Maria, his first wife, had three or four sessions with L. Ron Hubbard.


sarramkrop 04.30.2007 10:29 AM

Ok, we got your point atari. Chill out, man.

!@#$%! 04.30.2007 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600
You mentioned Huxley in yr post and I've already commented and although no one will care what I write next, I am still motivated to do so because it's relevant to this discussion on some (admittedly obtuse) level.

You see, the thing about Aldous Huxley is he was a Brit and he didn't want New York gaining even more cred as the world art capital with abstract expressionism, so he liked to make fun of it.
Which is ridiculous considering that a) he was supposed to be a free-thinker according to many of his books
and
(most importantly)
b) the guy was legally blind or just about there

Yet, there he is as the main intellect in a panel discussion several issues of Life magazine in the '40s putting down American Abstract Expressionist painters and cow-twoing to the lowest common denominator by calling it a sham.

I'll write it again.

Fuck Aldous Huxley.

(He's a) tremendously overrated author, (& a) tremedously overrated intellectual as well.


fuckin shit man take a deep breath, i only mentioned huxley because of MALPAIS is like new mexico, where i moved from dc; in fact, we have a national park here with that name. the word means "bad country". and im only asking for magazine recommendations here, thanks...

atari 2600 04.30.2007 10:47 AM

You mentioned Huxley in yr post and I've already commented and although no one will care what I write next, I am still motivated to do so because it's relevant to this discussion on some (admittedly obtuse) level.


what part of my opening statement does you Neitzsche & Huxley-addled brain not get?

atari 2600 04.30.2007 10:49 AM

(He's a) tremendously overrated author,
(& a) tremedously overrated intellectual as well.


Not !@#$%!, Huxley haha.



Quote:
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:QbJhytHFWTwJ:www.newcriterion.com/archive/21/feb03/huxley.htm+huxley+aldous+%22life+magazine%22&hl=en &ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
The frustration of Huxley’s natural scientific bent also had at least one malign consequence: a much too uncritical attitude towards fringe and crank sciences, especially those that offered some hint of a connection to the world of the spirit. He was an early enthusiast for the work of Dr. J. B. Rhine of Duke University, which Huxley believed had established the reality of extra-sensory perception. Huxley’s 1954 essay in Life magazine probably did more than anything else to bring Rhine’s “results” (which rested on a misapplication of the rules of statistical inference) to the attention of the broad general public. J. W. Dunne’s “experiments with time,” which involved sifting through one’s dreams for episodes of precognition, got Huxley’s attention. So did dianetics, which was later incorporated into Scientology. Huxley and Maria, his first wife, had three or four sessions with L. Ron Hubbard.

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atari 2600 04.30.2007 10:53 AM

look ---

ignore my posts if they bother you

and just let them stand.

don't fucking quote me
and tell me to chill out
...

because I did nothing wrong.

(This is a) stupid thread anyway.

atari 2600 04.30.2007 11:04 AM

you know, i anticipated that reply from you, !@#$%!
"hay, hey ...all i did was write malpais..."
and it was specifically why I prefaced my remarks.

But, you know, I'll JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ JJJJJJJJJJust stop prefacing anything .................................................. ............................

atari 2600 04.30.2007 11:05 AM

boring

sarramkrop 04.30.2007 11:09 AM

I feel sorry for you, atari.

atari 2600 04.30.2007 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarramkrop
I feel sorry for you, atari.


What, no goofy thread stating it? Just a post?

I suppose you have other brain-farts brewing for your incessant hodgepodge threads.

sarramkrop 04.30.2007 11:14 AM

I feel sorry for atari. I thought that i was on your ignore list. You love me, really.

!@#$%! 04.30.2007 11:22 AM

atari, take it easy man. it looked like you were having a heated argument with an invisible partner about huxley (i never praised huxley here).

porkie-- please, don't wind him up.

although if both of you continue this, maybe my thread will remain bumped until bunbury arrives :p

atari 2600 04.30.2007 11:37 AM

I was stating how I feel about Huxley.
Don't insinuate that I'm "talking to invisible people..." when it's obvious we are all ON A MESSAGE BOARD.

Should I have started a separate thread?

"How I feel about Aldous Huxley"

?


is this thread so fucking precious that I should have relegated my comments to a separate topic?


i can't keep u guys on my ignore for too long, but i suppose i'll put you folks back on it...(now some others have been on my ignore list for a long time)

you've earned it

---

there

i've added you both back to the ignore list...

problem solved
NOW
i won't blow my top when one of you instigators quotes me with some lame-ass "chill out" or "he's insane" message. can't you guys come up with any new shit?

many should have their fucking quoting privileges revoked...(too bad it isn't possible as an administrative option)...

!@#$%! 04.30.2007 11:47 AM

whatever makes you happy.

Savage Clone 04.30.2007 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600
many should have their fucking quoting privileges revoked...(too bad it isn't possible as an administrative option)...



How about adding editing privileges to that list as well?



(Insert stupid smiley thing here)

Rob Instigator 04.30.2007 01:03 PM

Kim Gordon used to write for

ARTFORUM. great magazine.


also, ARTNEWS

and ART IN AMERICA.

those three can keep you up to date! great articles.

Rob Instigator 04.30.2007 01:05 PM

fuck aldeux huxley! boring! irrelevant!

Savage Clone 04.30.2007 01:06 PM

Oh yeah, the thread topic!

I realize this is not a magazine with a focus on "high art," but I don't care a whit; Juxtapoz is enjoyable and has turned me on to quite a few talented people whose work has made an impression on me.

Rob Instigator 04.30.2007 01:12 PM

juxtapoz has good stuff in it. I get mad when people read it just to get tatoo ideas

sarramkrop 04.30.2007 01:32 PM

Websites:
http://www.artsjournal.com/
http://kontakt.erstebankgroup.net/
Magazine and website:
http://www.frieze.com/
http://www.arobance.com/index0.html

Check out Tate's online shop too:
http://www.tate.org.uk/shop/books.htm

!@#$%! 04.30.2007 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Kim Gordon used to write for

ARTFORUM. great magazine.

also, ARTNEWS

and ART IN AMERICA.

those three can keep you up to date! great articles.


so of these 3 which one do you feel is the one you couldn't live without? if you had to choose...?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
juxtapoz has good stuff in it. I get mad when people read it just to get tatoo ideas



looks great, thanks! i had never heard of this. i'm checking out the website.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarramkrop


wow, that frieze webstite looks great, and im reading this article on susan sotag/ andy warhol, the problem is that a subscription is $75 for 8 issues-- ouch!! the exchange rate is killing me.

jagger 04.30.2007 04:08 PM

I get Frieze. Perfect balance between retrospective / up and coming. Each issue explores a certain theme. Also has notable listings for lots of different countries (Europe / Canada / Australia).

Give your email up to www.e-flux.com who send out something everyday. Completely international and the most comprehensive mail out I know of.

Пятхъдесят Шест 04.30.2007 06:10 PM

Luerzers International Archive

 


While this is not a art magazine, more so a collection of ads, it is ever fascinating though, and worth checking out for a culture junkie like yourself, !@#$%.

!@#$%! 04.30.2007 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Пятхъдесят Шест
Luerzers International Archive



 


While this is not a art magazine, more so a collection of ads, it is ever fascinating though, and worth checking out for a culture junkie like yourself, !@#$%.


oh, oh, it's the book of the devil himself! cool. im looking at the website & i hate it/ love it. ha ha, i think i need it. yes, not exactly "art", but could be very useful. thanks!

--
ps- expen$$ive! $78/yr for 6 issues. ouch. sure i can justify the expense somehow? hmm....

krastian 04.30.2007 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone
I realize this is not a magazine with a focus on "high art," but I don't care a whit; Juxtapoz is enjoyable and has turned me on to quite a few talented people whose work has made an impression on me.

That was what I was going to suggest. I've been debating whether or not to get a yearly subscription.....I can get one for 35 bucks. Has anyone actually subscribed to it and if so do you think it is worth the cash?????

!@#$%! 05.01.2007 05:23 PM

i was hoping that bickering would keep this thread alive, but no!

& krastian, a year of juxtapoz is $25 as stated in their website ("$24.99")

Bunbury 05.01.2007 05:35 PM

I rarely even buy magazines anymore, instead I go to the thousands of art blogs on the internet. But if you still want a magazine, personally I would recommend Artforum and Modern Painters.

I think the magazine itself will be obsolete by 2010.

But thats besides the point, personally I've decided that artists themselves are boring/narcissistic walking pieces of shit (except Andy Pandy) and that you shouldnt waste your time reading about them/listening to them talk about their inspirations and their "work".

I purposely leave the building I work in during my lunch break and sit outside the medicine building, this way I avoid the tormented and increase my chances in picking up a future plastic surgeon.

The stock market and silicone tits,
thats what I want to talk about, not semiotics and some cunts recent show.

!@#$%! 05.01.2007 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bunbury
I rarely even buy magazines anymore, instead I go to the thousands of art blogs on the internet. But if you still want a magazine, personally I would recommend Artforum and Modern Painters.

I think the magazine itself will be obsolete by 2010.

But thats besides the point, personally I've decided that artists themselves are boring/narcissistic walking pieces of shit (except Andy Pandy) and that you shouldnt waste your time reading about them/listening to them talk about their inspirations and their "work".

I purposely leave the building I work in during my lunch break and sit outside the medicine building, this way I avoid the tormented and increase my chances in picking up a future plastic surgeon.

The stock market and silicone tits,
thats what I want to talk about, not semiotics and some cunts recent show.


ew, semiotics. that's so 1970's. and still as crappy as ever.

thanks there-- i agree with you in great part on artists, but actors are even worse, and film people... well, let's not go there. i prefer scientists all around; besides they are the only ones who read literature for pleasure.

but thanks for the recommendations-- i'll pick up artforum. they have a website anyway, recent headlines there were dead fatcats/collectors.

i like magazines though-- they are glossy, and print in high resolution, and the internet won't.

Iain 05.01.2007 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bunbury
I rarely even buy magazines anymore, instead I go to the thousands of art blogs on the internet. But if you still want a magazine, personally I would recommend Artforum and Modern Painters.

I think the magazine itself will be obsolete by 2010.

But thats besides the point, personally I've decided that artists themselves are boring/narcissistic walking pieces of shit (except Andy Pandy) and that you shouldnt waste your time reading about them/listening to them talk about their inspirations and their "work".

I purposely leave the building I work in during my lunch break and sit outside the medicine building, this way I avoid the tormented and increase my chances in picking up a future plastic surgeon.

The stock market and silicone tits,
thats what I want to talk about, not semiotics and some cunts recent show.


That's the spirit!

krastian 05.02.2007 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
& krastian, a year of juxtapoz is $25 as stated in their website ("$24.99")

Well I'll be damned......fuckers are trying to rip me off!!


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