SY and others on Rolling Stone's under appreciated list
 

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdail...iated-artists/

a fan poll to be sure for those choices, if RS had their way, they'd find a way to put Weezer on the list

not so sure of the placement of some but i like the addtion of some of the choices

1. Tom Waits
2. The Replacements
3. Cheap Trick
4. Sonic Youth
5. Warren Zevon
6. Big Star
7. The Pharcyde
8. Roxy Music
9. Talking Heads
10. Bob Seger
11. Fugazi
13. The Cramps
14. The New York Dolls
15. The Band
16. The Cars
17. Pogues
18. Alice Cooper
19. Dinosaur Jr
20. Sleater-Kinney
21. Husker Du
22. Devo
23. Wilco
24. Tom Petty
25. Ween

1. don't agree much
2. i agree
3. i certainly agree
4. i kinda agree
5. i agree
6. i agree
7. i agree
8. nope, they are overappreciated
9. overappreciated
10. i don't live in detroit
11. overappreciated
13. i definitely agree
14. i agree...kinda, i think they are well appreciated.
15. i'm not sure, i guess they are
16. i definitely agree
17. kinda agree
18. yes and no
19. overappreciated
20. overappreciated
21. overappreciated
22. see ny dolls response.
23. kinda agree, can't see more people into them.
24. i agree
25. massively overappreciated

That list isn't too bad. You're probably right about that being a fan poll though, Rolling Stone sucks.

Being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, winning ASCAP's Golden Note Award, being nominated 17 times for a Grammy, winning three, and pretty much dominating most classic rock radio stations and Tom Petty is still under appreciated?

What does it take? Do we have to give him his own country?

my thoughts written in a style that would probably make my english teacher sad:

1. meh. he's hit and miss.
2. let it be is overrated but i absolutely love tim. meh.
3. SURRENDER = BEST SONG EVER AMIRITE
4. definitely agree.
5. agree.
6. thirteen is very close to my heart. agree.
7. agree
8. shouldn't be on this list
9. wtf. see nine.
10. eck.
11. YES YES AGREE every-e i love you but the argument is holy fucking awesome.
13. what happened to twelve?
14. no. but i do like some of their stuff.
15. no.
16. overappreciated
17. fairytale of new york! underappreciated.
18. my nan once sat next to him on a plane and said he was a swell guy. i have nothing else to say.
19. meh.
20. love
21. mostly love
22. really shouldn't be on here
23. appreciated just right. shouldn't be on here. yankee hotel foxtrot and a ghost is born are amazing albums.
24. no. other than "ballad of mary jane" i don't care for him.
25. oh, how i love ween. but they don't belong here.

I feel like this is a very unfocused list. What is underappreciated about these bands?

I'd say fugazi and sonic youth both recieve due amounts of appreciation, but not in the proper context. I feel, in the case of fugazi, that their music is the least apprerciated thing about them, but only because of how much of the focus of regional fans turns to their ethics and non-existent press coverage etc, etc. Their music is beautiful and upbeat, in non-obvious ways but seriously, go check out the scribble non-sense in the liner notes of "in on the kill taker." They're not actually out to make all college students vegetarians, they just want to see other people take a creative approach in other ways.

With sonic youth on the other hand, I feel the focus is too much on the music, and not on the fact that they've got 56 different t-shirt designs, a complete list of gear on this very web site, and I've seen a video of a geriatric choir singing "schizophrenia" on youtube, but the most coverage they get is a snapshot of them in rollingstone at coachella the year Iggy Pop rounds up enough dough to share with his original band and not some payed yuppie studio session label tarts with an hourly rate. I want to see complete transcriptions, I want to hear public enemy remixed with the minutemen, I want to see sonic youth billboards everywhere. Fuck this "they're like the indie grateful dead b.s.", they're the lazy beatles, die.

Not a horrible list, but Cheap Trick should
not be above Sonic Youth and The Cars should be above wherever Cheap Trick is.

Of course, Sonic Youth should really own this list and be number one.

Bob Seger, Sleater-Kinney, and Wilco shouldn't even be on this list.



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schizophrenicroom should listen to The Replacements - Let it Be.

It's upsetting to read both schizophrenicroom's and Everyneurotics' posts because they both discount Talking Heads and Devo, and that just isn't right.

#12 is definitely underappreciated

i gues mark e smith is not as underappreciated as he thinks he is.

Now there's a rep-worthy post!

...
which calls to mind another thing that's just plain wrong with schizophrenicroom's and Everynerotics comments...they each didn't point out the missing #12 and what's more, the way they did their list makes you check back and forth and that's just a nuisance. It's such a annoyance that it caused me not to notice the obvious...that #12 is missing.

Of course, the error owes its inception to pantophobia.

Don't kill the messenger (as you are wont to do), now.

and furthermore,

i love devo and what i say is that the people who should love them already love them and the ones who wouldn't "get it" aren't listening to them so that makes them farly appreciated and i love talking heads up until remain in light; i said they were overappreciated because after ril they just simply suck, bland awful overproduced radio drivel for the eighties, burning down the house and all the other hits sound so dated it hurts....come to think of it, early talking heads are a bit underappreciated and later talking heads is massively over appreciated, so like i said with alice cooper, yes and no.

actually no, i copyed it directly from the RS link above my post, they left off 12, i double checked it too, they can count em numbers gooood

I dunno- I've never heard anyone really gazm over little creatures or naked.


I think wire should be on there. Not ween though- ween are good because they kind of suck. And you can't really put a band with songs like "flies on my dick" in either a appreciated or under list. it's fuckin ween.

tom waits? really? i had a whole mouthfull ready to bash that number one spot, but i think the fact that he's even number one is a testament to how shit that list it.

tom fucking waits?!?!?!?

Yeah, somethin told me to peep the link out first, so alas, I am in error.
RS online is the culprit.

1. Tom Waits- I like him, but so do so damn many other people, I don't get "underappreciated" at all.
2. Replacements - Really two bands, before the major label deal and after. Before can't be appreciated enough, after was just coasting on the legend of the early records.
3. Cheap Trick - I think the world appreciates their best moments about right. It's not the world's fault they put out thousands of boring ass albums.
4. Sonic Youth - Underappreciated in record sales, otherwise pretty much revered. I suppose they're underappreciated by the dumbfuck posers at Pitchfork too, but that's probably a good thing.
5. Warren Zevon - I always hear this about him. Must be true. What I've heard, I didn't particularly appreciate one way or the other.
6. Big Star - Ding Ding! Yeah, they have legendary status now and everything, but they still constantly get overlooked, and their best moments (Sister Lovers) the most.
7. The Pharcyde - Weren't they massively popular while they were doing anything worth noticing?
8. Roxy Music - Less noticed and remembered than Bowie I suppose. Still, a pretty damn huge band.
9. Talking Heads - David Byrne was on the cover of Time Magazine at the peak of their popularity. They do seem a bit more forgotten than many of their contemporaries today though.
10. Bob Seger - Somebody really needs to be shot for suggesting this massively overplayed human bloat is anything but OVER appreciated!
11. Fugazi - Appreciated on their own terms.
13. The Cramps - Yeah, I can accept that one.
14. The New York Dolls - Again, it's all relative. Compared to KISS, who took their schtick and made millions, sure. Still, hard to think of legendary as "underappreciated".
15. The Band - I guess in an old hippie sort of way.
16. The Cars - Ridiculous. I don't hate them, but they have had no shortage of success or staying power.
17. Pogues - Yeah, I sort of see that, except that I've been around so many people who over appreciate them, that I forget that's not "normal".
18. Alice Cooper - His classics are classics, his legacy he destroyed all on his lonesome.
19. Dinosaur Jr - Yeah, probably.
20. Sleater-Kinney - Oh brother.
21. Husker Du - See the Replacements, same city, same story.
22. Devo - Just as stupid as saying the Cars are underappreciated.
23. Wilco - Aren't they totally huge?
24. Tom Petty - Sure, what he needs is to get played on the radio, tour with a few famous rock stars, and be in a supergroup with Bob Dylan, Roy Orbison, and a Beatle, then he'll get the appreciation he deserves... Oh wait he's had all that, and for what?
25. Ween - I've never understood the fanatics, but surely their appreciation must make up for all of the rest of us.

Incredibly dumb list. There are thousands of incredibly great musicians out there who don't have a tenth the record sales, popularity, and critical acclaim of anyone on this list.

Didn't they mean "Most Underappreciated American Acts with a Brit or Two Thrown in as Not to Make the Magazine Look Too Ignorant and Ethnocentric"...?

From a Canadian perspective, Where's Sloan, Eric's Trip, The Tragically Hip, 54-40, Rough Trade (probably the first or second new wave band [along with Devo], if you don't count The Doors, Roxy Music and 10 CC), etc...? The fact that these aren't included should be enough to make any Canadian rock fan laugh. I'm sure the Brits, Irish, Germans, Swedes, Australians, etc. all have plenty of reasons to laugh, as well.

Elliott Smith should be on there

Wilco rose to the attention of many thousands by eeking out a narrative of under-appreciation. Thousands bought it. And although I think they are enormously talented, I think they have been well beyond the press-darling syndrome for years. A perfect example of Rolling Stone's ability to view just about anything through the lens of nostalgia.

Atari should really kill that tag, those giant paintings make this page miles long, and difficult to decipher.

I want sonic youth action fan mail.

Because by the time they're paying attention to it, its already dead most of the time. Like screamo. etc. The bands that broke the style killed the style, and rollingstone finally wrote about it. That magazine is printed behind the hollywood sign.

Is there any good music related magazines still out there?

I kinda like 'under the radar,' but as far as magazines concerned with punk music, I have no idea. What music-type coverage are you looking for?

Here's a list off the top of my head that makes much more sense (focusing on long term artists, and leaving off anyone like Nick Drake who would have made it had his music not turned up in a car commercial.) Sonic Youth have received way more "appreciation" than any of these groups. I also considered Yellow Magic Orchestra, but they've only lacked the appreciation in the U.S., while in their homeland they were bigger than the Beatles.:

1. Rocket from the Tombs (who split into Pere Ubu and the Dead Boys after writing all the classic songs of both!)
2. Suicide (who make way more sense than the Cars, and I'm sure Rick Ocasek would agree)
3. Hawkwind (the hippy band who influenced the Sex Pistols among others)
4. The Last Poets (who arguably invented rap music in the '60s way before hip hop)
5. The Sonics (NW punk rock from the early '60s who influenced the Who, the Kinks, The Cramps, etc...)
6. Pere Ubu (who make infinite more sense than their scene contemporaries Devo)
7. Wire
8. NEU!
9. The Fall
10. The Soft Boys
11. Television (in place of Talking Heads)
12. The Heartbreakers (way more underapreciated than Thunders first band, and better musically too.)
13. The Runaways
14. The Bad Brains
15. The Slits
16. Love
17. Laurie Anderson
18. The Birthday Party
19. The Spacemen 3
20. The Contortions
21. Richard Hell & the Voidoids
22. The Raincoats
23. Lydia Lunch/Teenage Jesus & the Jerks/Eight Eyed Spy
24. The Germs
25. The Screamers

Runners up: the Dictators, Gang of Four (slightly more "appreciated" than Sonic Youth), Gary Numan (barely disqualified because of "Cars" being the mega hit it is, but the rest of his period catalog is way overlooked), Swans, Pussy Galore, Big Black, Hood, The Ex, of course this could go on forever...

wow, i thought this list would have omoide hatoba or something. nah, just a bunch of bands who are already hugely successful..

Underappreciated. And by that I mean they should attract a crowd larger then the Arcade Fire / create a bigger hype in the music world.

1. Pavement
2. 12RODS
3. Sonic Youth
4. Yo La Tengo
5. Silver Jews
6. Wilco
7. Grandaddy
8. ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead
9. Matthew Good (canadian) - listen to "Giant" and you will understand.
10. the band i wish i had.

what?!

1. Pavement - the quintessential indie rock band, EVERYONE appreciates them
3. Sonic Youth - WHAT?! they're appreciated plenty!
6. Wilco - hahaha.. you're kidding.
8. ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead - they got a 10/10 from pitchfork. they're way too appreciated.

Grandaddy are boring.

here's my unappreciated bands.

+/-, 90 day men, 400 blows, a minor forest, a trillion barnacle lapse, akimbo, brainiac, cerberus shoal, chromelodeon, clouddead, dazzling killmen, el guapo, erase errata (face it, they're extremely underappreciated), ex-girl, experimental dental school, fly pan am, funeral diner, gastr del sol, giddy motors, honor role, hot snakes, ikara colt, jesu, june of 44, loincloth, man or astroman, ooioo, omoide hatoba, ooo, pan sonic, polvo, polysics, ruins, ruinhorse, rumah sakit, satisfact, scissor shock, secret chiefs 3, servotron, silver apples, six finger satellite, slowdive, stereolab, sweep the leg johnny, the coughs, unwound, us maple, xiu xiu (seriously, do any mainstream mags even cover them?), yaphet kotto, and yowie.

there are tons more, obviously, but that's what came to mind first.

Uh...he's quite big up here. I'm a fan though.



I would say Mission of Burma, the Wipers, Swans, the Sonics (and probably countless of their garage rock contemporaries) are underappreciated




and Pere Ubu

hell yes, the wipers!!!!!! that dude is one of my favorite guitar players.

Depends what underappreciated means doesnt it. It could mean an artist who has had a massive influence without much recognition or one who has continually changed and pushed the boundaries of their particular fanbase, OR an artist who has created something which has resonated and influenced for years after the fact.

On those terms, off the top of my head
The first instance - Sonic Youth,
Second - ... Sonic Youth. Radiohead with Kid A, Mars Volta
Third - Manic Street Preachers with The Holy bible, Joy Division with Unkown pleasures. As with many, massive influence on more popular bands but not massive concerns.

come to think of it, i don't really care if music is under or overappreciated, as long as i can listen to them, i am fine.

I really liked that mag "Skratch" but its hard to find, it was free too.

Most of those, yes. Stereolab are about as huge as Pavement though, to apply the same standard you used on that kid earlier. Not that I don't think they're a great band, one of my faves actually, just that they are pretty hugely appreciated.

if you are stupid. Or you listned to like...Todd Zilla/Fambly Cat and draw your conclusions from this.

Under The Western Freeway
Sophtware Slump

ridicuously good.

wow, stereolab are considered that big? i honestly never knew that. i mean, obviously prolific, but i've never seen 'em mentioned much in mainstream rags.

If by underappreciated you mean should be played on mainstream radio but for some reason arn't then that isn't actually too bad a list. Otherwise there are problems like that a lot of them (Tom Waits, Fugazi, SY, The Band etc) are critic's darlings and have pretty healthy fanbases in their respective sectors.

Could be worse. A lot worse.

EDIT: Can't make sense of The Cars or Tom Petty though, they don't strike me as underappreciated in any way, shape or form.