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sleep33 04.27.2006 06:09 PM

I need a cheap, loud guitar...
 
I need like a $200 guitar that has alot of input. Im thinking of Squier's telecaster... Has anyone played it??? Heres a link:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...ric?sku=519619


Any feedback would be excepted greatly appreciated, thankyou...

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.27.2006 07:28 PM

You mean output right? Telecasters have single coils, so they are not exactly high output. I'd suggest getting a guitar with humbuckers.

Although the actually output of a guitar doesn't really matter all that much, that is what DIRT pedals are for.

sleep33 04.27.2006 08:05 PM

no i dont think so, more input means more noise and more feedback and is commonly associated with the single coil. And i dont use pedals...

hey alex 04.27.2006 08:17 PM

ahem...guitar (50-100$)+big muff($50)+amp(i dunno)=fuck loud

nomadicfollower 04.27.2006 08:21 PM

I got a cheap ass Washburn. It can get pretty damn loud. I love it as well.

Drugstore_Cowboy 04.27.2006 08:43 PM

I have a shitty cheap Ibanez starter guitar that I only use for odd tunings, but it gets some really good feedback and is pretty loud.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 04.27.2006 08:45 PM

I dont care what people say. Its all about the amp. You can get any guitar to make noise.

nature scene 04.27.2006 08:47 PM

fernandes... they are cheap and i swear by them

youthoftomorrow 04.27.2006 08:49 PM

if you're gonna get something cheap, Squiers are probably yr best bet. Squier Strats are great guitars (i have a purple one). i've never played a Squier Tele, but i have played a Fender one, and there can't be much difference. i like the Tele neck better than the Strat, but i'm not a big fan of the Tele pickups.

i heard somewhere that Elvis Costello switched from a Jazzmaster to a Tele because he thought it sounded louder.

nature scene 04.27.2006 08:52 PM

the guitar/amp don't matter too much... as long as you have pedals. If you don't, it's the amp that matters more than the guitar. I bought one guitar that was over $500 and i barely use it. I like my $150 fernandes strat just fine. I'll never buy an electric over 200 again. Acoustic is a different story.

Drugstore_Cowboy 04.27.2006 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youthoftomorrow
if you're gonna get something cheap, Squiers are probably yr best bet. Squier Strats are great guitars (i have a purple one). i've never played a Squier Tele, but i have played a Fender one, and there can't be much difference. i like the Tele neck better than the Strat, but i'm not a big fan of the Tele pickups.

i heard somewhere that Elvis Costello switched from a Jazzmaster to a Tele because he thought it sounded louder.

I would have to disagree. Cheap Squier Strats are pieces of shit. An Ibanez will outlast it and sound better. And Ibanez is shit.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 04.27.2006 08:56 PM

pawnshop

sleep33 04.27.2006 08:58 PM

I dont use pedals ever. sorry i just dont like using distortion or anything like that. I just use the clean channel on this old broken Fender 75 watt I got for free and it sounds great. Im very minimalist when it comes to music.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.27.2006 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleep33
no i dont think so, more input means more noise and more feedback and is commonly associated with the single coil. And i dont use pedals...


I don't quite know what you mean by high input, if you mean either output or impedance, humbuckers have higher output and impendance than single coils.
http://users.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/pickupin.htm

But you are right, single coils feedback more,

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...ric?sku=514013
If you want feedback though, hollowbodies are the way to go.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 04.27.2006 09:03 PM

i wouldnt use minimalist, though i havent heard you. maybe simple or plain setup.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.27.2006 09:05 PM

Anyways, in my experience, humbucking guitars are louder than single coils, I always have to turn up the volume when I go from a humbucker to a single coil.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.28.2006 09:41 AM

Don't forget to look at used guitars. New guitars are crap. I hate them, even fenders and gibsons. A 70's knock-off will probably be better than a new guitar, and you can pick them up really cheap. The best guitars high end vintage though.

In my mind

expensive vintage > cheap vintage > high end new> middle price new > low price new

Of course, if an old guitar looks like shit it probably is shit. Remember that.

My first guitar was a Hondo II that I got for 200 dollars, sounds better than any other guitar I've played/heard my friends play, except for a vintage Gibson. The only new guitar that I've ever really dug the sound of is my friends Epiphone Casino.

scott v 04.28.2006 09:45 AM

heheh, if i'm understanding you correctly i'd have to say, good luck on getting feedback by playing a CLEAN sounding amp like a fender (i'm presuming you are using none to minimal gain channel) so w/o using any pedals, you'll probably need to crank the bitch to max. volume and shove the guitar up the speaker... i don't care how loud the guitar input/output you have it will feedback, but will probably sound like crap and be abit hard to manipulate, i'm guessing you'll probably mostly get uncontrollable high pitch squeely feedback... nice for moments only then it gets rather annoying.

fishmonkey 04.28.2006 10:08 AM

buy a second hand Jag-stang off Ebay, if you want a growly noisy axe, this is your man, made completely from basswood for a deeper sound

candymoan 04.28.2006 10:41 AM

i bought a real economically priced (read "cheap") SX brand guitar.. 2 hambuckers and 2 single coil pickups, it sounds great..
it's solid as you want it to be, it can tolerate SY style abuse, and it is pretty loud..
they cost about 120 dollars or so..

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.28.2006 11:27 AM

My two guitars that feedback the most are my Oscar Shidt and my cheapo 60's pseudo-jaguar

sonikold 04.28.2006 11:52 AM

my guitar cost $75. it's really weird, i'll put up a pic sometime...

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.28.2006 12:39 PM

 

My sister picked that up for 7 dollars, but she doesn't play guitar.

 

The left guitar I got for 200 dollars, very very solid, glue on neck, nice pickups, good action, sounds great.

The middle one my dad picked up for 20-25ish, the top pickup doesn't work, but the guitar has a great sound, switches for every pickup, and a lead and rhythm circuit. Very cool sounding guitar.

The right one I got for 150. Thru-neck, good electronics, awesome sustain.

 

You can pick up used Oscar Schmidts really cheap, new ones are pretty damn cheap already. I did a cool paint job to mine and put new pickups in it.

stirling 04.28.2006 12:47 PM

What are the middle and right guitars?

greenbird 04.28.2006 01:07 PM

I got a used tanglewood about 5 years ago but never palayed it and kept it in a shed. Now its pickups are rusted and sounds so fucking dirty,I just got a new squire jagmaster for $250 that also sounds nice

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.28.2006 01:12 PM

The middle, errr, edit left and right guitars are hondos. The one on the left is a Hondo II. Apparently they are the only 1970's knock-offs to use American P/U's- Dimarzios. It doesn't say Dimarzio on them, so I can't confirm, but they are nice sounding pick ups in my opinion. The one on the left is better for blues and punk type stuff, and the one on the right would be better for post-rock/post-hardcore sort of stuff. I can get really good tones with either.

edit: The middle guitar is Teisco or Teisco-like pseudo-jaguar. Nice surfy sound, gotta remember to buy a trem bar and some 11s for it.

hey alex 04.28.2006 01:27 PM

actually that middle one looks like a teisco. Unless hondo make teisco knocks too.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 04.28.2006 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hey alex
actually that middle one looks like a teisco. Unless hondo make teisco knocks too.


Oops. I meant left and right. Yeah, I think the middle one is a teisco, but the sticker is peeled off so I can't tell.

hey alex 04.28.2006 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead
Oops. I meant left and right. Yeah, I think the middle one is a teisco, but the sticker is peeled off so I can't tell.

there's a 2% chance it's something else. Despite not owning one, I love teiscos and can tell one from a foot away (not a mile alas). I think I may have to get one of ebay, there's always a good few for less than $50... bu then the really awesome ones are like 100's. bullocks i say.

golden child 04.28.2006 09:57 PM

im short an electric guitar myself, i had an old 60s welson that i basically got from the trash. it was dirty as hell till i destroyed it at a show, gave new meaning to prepared guitar.

my friend has a telecaster, i LOVE it. once i get a job, ill be picking one up for sure. its screams like all hell.


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