Which side if New York
 

I know a similar thread exists, but amongst other things, it got me thinking. Which band is tied up to it than most? This thread will only go as far as the band themselves say something, so it remains only in my own assumptions and ideas.

hiphop for me is the music i think of when i think of new york. other than that, ramones, VU, SY & no wave. jazz stuff too, particularly 60s free jazz, impulse and ESP type things.

Disco for me. Something like Chic or Odyssey. Then the stuff T&B mentioned

Simon & Garfunkel

The Blues Project

Bob Dylan really got going here after arriving from Hibbing, MN.

and yeah..those other bands mentioned before....:D

Hip Hop of the east coast type, Velvet Underground, Sonic Youth, Little Italy, H S Jr, Warhol, the new york esperimental scene in the 60's. Disco!

Velvet Underground, most definitely. Sonic Youth, not so much. Even though Conor Oberst is from Nebraska, he makes me think of NYC a lot because of all his references to Brooklyn and the village and whatnot.

Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, too. "We're number one in new york city".

i gained a better grasp of new york geography than most americans just through listening to hip hop, and by that i mean i could name more neighbourhoods throughout the five boroughs.
bedstuy, do or die!

hip hop gains the crown for me too. Even though i love the velvets blah blah, new york remains hip hop city-guide for me too.

Lil Kim's Hold Your Lighters Up is also a great lesson in American geography
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Perhaps it's because I am younger, but Hip Hop doesn't hold the crown for me. Hip Hop bursts out of a lot of places. West Coast is definitely distinguishable from East Coast, but there's always the odd mid-west rap coming out of Detroit and places like that that cloud the map, if you understand what I mean.

yeah, but up until about 5 years ago new york was the only hiphop city really, LA had produced a few notable things, but still now if you look at a list of top100 hiphop records of all time, 90% of them will be by new york artists.

and the other thing about all those new york groups is that they frequently make references to their own or other neighbourhoods, they talk about new york city as if it was the whole world.

It might as well be the whole world, it's a fucking amazing place.

No, hip hop and new york as a whole. no arguments.right?

If you can't find it here, it doesn't exist !!

Never been to New York, but I often imagine it to be one of those places that's also a non-place... by which I mean, Grime couldn't've come out of anywhere but London, but it's the disconnection, the lack of social cohesion that makes London London. As opposed to Manchester or Glasgow or Bristol (with its beloved 'trip-hop') where there is a scene because there's a recognisable scene, rather than some people in one corner?

Makes sense? No? Well fuck your face then.

How could I forget these guys !!! Technically from Long Island, I believe...

Zorn strikes me as the composer who actually played New York by using it's musicians like instruments.

Quicksand, Helmet, Handsome, among others, are whom I think of when thinking of New York.

I suppose where it lacks a truly unified identity is a result of the distinct differences between the five boroughs.
Musically, I'd say that Hip Hop makes total sense in Brooklyn and the Bronx, but far less in, say, Manhattan. Equally, bands like Sonic Youth seem more exclusively tuned into some kind of a Manhattan 'thing'. And even then they're more of a Lower East Side rather than a Manhattan-in-total phenomenon.

It's the same as the way Grime may only have been able to come out of London, but not ANY part of London. It came from deprived multi-ethnic areas in East London, such as Stratford, Plaistow, Forest Gate and Bow - all of which are, needless to say, a whole world away from areas like Highgate, Chelsea or Belsize Park.

Both city's inter-musical-identities are defined primarily by their various ethnic breakdowns.

well there are famous rappers from every one of the city's 5 buroughs plus long island so i wouldn't say it's strictly a brooklyn/bronx thing at all, and grime isn't strictly an east end thing, there are notable crews from north and south london, don't know about west london though.

the last roller rink in the city (Empire?***)was closed down a few weeks ago in crown heights (brooklyn)there was weeping,limited --but nonetheless

def. disco was bigHUGE in the studio 54 daze and disco sucks not er because rick dees' duck demands it//
but that nile rogers is okay in my book(let), my pet

***writin Empire makes one (me) think of ANdy's WarHola static camera trained on the edif...building and how the film would have been more dramatic if it would have been shot in a thUnderstorm because the EmpireStateBldg is struck by lightning some 3,000 times/year and everyone likes to watch a good storm now&then...instead
all u get is some lights going on...

--what a waste--

I immediately associate NYC with:

Velvet Underground
New York Dolls
Patti Smith
Television
Talking Heads
Ramones
James Chance
Mars
DNA
Teenage Jesus

I don't know which is most tied to New York. That's probably too grand a judgment for one of limited knowledge like myself to make.

Me too...I'll join ya in remembering her well.

hear, hear! To the woman we know and remember that is New York City!

This board is so white.

Do you wanna be black or ru already a rock 'n' roll nigger?

B/c, ya know,Pookie sez "Chavs are the new blacks,"& you are a self-declared "Pookie fan."

A mind is a terrible thang to waste.

Explain. Because we're not into disco or hip hop?

"My dad was black but I look all white..."

New york always makes me think of shitty beatdown hardcore. Although there are some classic hardcore bands to come out of NY.

New York makes me think of Bohemian Junkies, and Socialites, and Rappers, and Avant Garde music, all intertwined into one big colossal party.

Yes.

Would this count?

There's disco on here. Hot Stuff. I sometimes think of 70s Stones as a kind of NYC band.

For fuck's sake!

Oh oh. Tantrum time.

fuck the stones

Well, thank you for that intelligent contribution.

No, no, thanks for yours. Can someone put an end to Mick Jagger's life? He has out-lived his welcome on this planet by quite a number of years. Then again, whatever, you've just dared posting his existence on this thread, insightful man.