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sarramkrop 06.05.2007 05:47 PM

Do you think Jimi Hendrix is the best guitarist ever?
 
No? Join me.

HECKLER SPRAY 06.05.2007 05:54 PM

No. Zappa was better than Hendrix.

pantophobia 06.05.2007 05:59 PM

No, maybe the best until he died in 1970, but he has been surpased by a few since

k-krack 06.05.2007 06:09 PM

No.
He was a sweet musician, and I surprisingly, like listening to his music, but I don't give enough of a fuck about solos and blues scales to say it's "good," or be able to judge it.

atsonicpark 06.05.2007 07:45 PM

trey spruance or the guy from boredoms/omoide hatoba = best guitarist ever

Everyneurotic 06.05.2007 07:49 PM

yes, seichii yamamotor is the best guitarist ever.

keiji haino too.


i find hendrix to be quite boring, he might be good and wrote some good songs and innovated, but he's mostly very boring to listen to.

besides, we have to thank him for all the moron guitarists who twist and contort their faces every time they solo. he's done more harm than good.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 06.05.2007 07:50 PM

No, no I do not.

atsonicpark 06.05.2007 07:51 PM

seichii yamamotor! i always forget that.

have you seen the omoide hatoba video for sugar clip on youtube? it's AMAZING!

Everyneurotic 06.05.2007 07:55 PM

i need to see it, omoide hatoba are the shit!!

they were like the japanese fugazi, except they weren't preachy and were 1000% better.

CHOUT 06.05.2007 11:21 PM

I like different guitar players for different reasons.

Hendrix is pretty kickass, but when I'm listening to Band Of Gypsys, I tune in to the bass/drum grooves more than the guitar.

The guy could write good songs and that's more important to me. Plus he has some real cool rhythm playing that's obviously overshadowed by his solos/leads.

fugazifan 06.05.2007 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CHOUT
I like different guitar players for different reasons.

Hendrix is pretty kickass, but when I'm listening to Band Of Gypsys, I tune in to the bass/drum grooves more than the guitar.

The guy could write good songs and that's more important to me. Plus he has some real cool rhythm playing that's obviously overshadowed by his solos/leads.

not to mention the amount of feedback that he used.

no machine gun=no SY
IMO
the man was brilliant beyond what blues rock fans can see. his veiw of the guitar and its capabilities where way more advanced than anyone (almost) during his time.
he cuold solo, write hard rocking songs, incorporate feedback and dissonance...
he was definatly one of the best (but not my favorite (crossreferancing another thread:cool: ))

ALIEN ANAL 06.05.2007 11:40 PM

Mascis!!!




:d

Everyneurotic 06.05.2007 11:42 PM

buddy guy was an acknowledged influence on jimi, he name drop him every opportunity he had and jammed every time the two were in the same town.

hendrix mainstreamized/classic rockized the use of feedback; for earlier and more groundbreaking guitar feedback, refer to jeff beck (another acknowledged hendrix influence), pete townshend, lamonte young/dream syndicate and, of course, the velvet underground.

luxinterior 06.05.2007 11:45 PM

I like Hendrix just fine, but best guitarist ever? That sort of implies that every guitarist should strive to be just like him, or whoever is being called the best guitarist ever at any given time. It reminds me of those sad guitar player magazines that publish articles on such things, and always within the classic rock genre. They're living in the past. It's a bit boring.

You know, it's fine that those magazines want to only talk about musicians that everyone's heard of already. They do need to sell copies, and I'm not going to chastise them for that. But they obviously have a bias even in the narrow field they are working in. The simple fact that they rarely make any mention of Prince that would rank him alongside the likes of Hendrix and Co. where he deserves, just goes to show that hypermasculine presence is a huge factor in who they choose to put on their cover. Prince wears purple, has a cute butt, and is generally more in touch with his feminine side than his male contemporaries. DEAL BREAKER.

pbradley 06.05.2007 11:53 PM

I don't agree with the question. It brings back the subjective/objective standards when discussing music. In which way do you mean "best"? Our favorite or something more empirical? If empirically, do mean technically?

Either way, I'd say no. I like a lot of his stuff but I wouldn't say he is my favorite nor would I suppose him to be greatest in an objective sense. Band of Gypsys is probably my favorite of his tunes, though.

luxinterior 06.05.2007 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by swa(y)
i agree with almost all of this. least the first paragraph.

as far as prince is concerned, maybe, maybe he is a bit underated as a musician (personally, ive never been a fan). and who cares if he is more in touch with his feminine side? and what does his butt have to do with how he operates as a musician? didnt the dude get into some shit once for hitting some girl? i seem to remember something like that....either way...doesnt matter.



That's what I'm saying. Did you misunderstand me? Or are you supporting what I just said by repeating all of it?

EDIT: What I was trying to get across was that not only do you have to operate within a very particular field of music if you ever hope to be appreciated by the likes of Guitar World, but you also can't look like this, apparently:

 

MellySingsDoom 06.06.2007 01:47 AM

Yes.

king_buzzo 06.06.2007 01:49 AM

Well, yes and no. He was original and minimalistic but yet so great.

sarramkrop 06.06.2007 01:55 AM

I've just thought about that while watching yet another documentary claiming that, in this time and age. It made me want to throw my computer screen out of the window.

Rob Instigator 06.06.2007 08:41 AM

Jimi hendrix was the greatest guitarist ever. Please do not forget that in his short 27 years he played with everyone from blues acts to jazz bands to little richard to the experience, band of gypsies, etc. He was a genius, undoubtedly, and he is most definitely in the running for BEST GUITARIST EVER and if you do not think so then you are CRAZY and deluded or sme sort of hipster than wants to name drop some japanese noise guy.

without jimi hendrix NONE of the music we listen to and love (sonic skronk music) would have come about. there would ne no velvets, there would be no sonic youth.

Jimi Hendrix died at age 27, if he had lived, he woudl be playing free jazz improv concerts with lee ranaldo and thurston and blowing their asses out of the water.

Jimi played lead and ryhtm at the same time, with a right handed guitar backwards and strung upside down. self taught.

Long live Jimi.

Jimi, please forgive them for they know not what they do.


 

demonrail666 06.06.2007 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
without jimi hendrix NONE of the music we listen to and love (sonic skronk music) would have come about. there would ne no velvets, there would be no sonic youth.


Can't agree with you there, at least so far as the Velvets are concerned.

HECKLER SPRAY 06.06.2007 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by king_buzzo
Well, yes and no. He was original and minimalistic but yet so great.

I 'd have thought you v'e said "No, Mascis is the best, ever" or something, like Mr ANAL said. I'm impressed.

Rob Instigator 06.06.2007 08:48 AM

How so? Hendrix used feedback in ways never before heard. The velvets were most certainly, from what i ahve read, influenced by Jimi's guitar. I have also read articles where they bad mouth jimi but that is because the velvet underground members are self-admitted snot asshole new yorkers who will talk shit about something just to make themselves seem even cooler.

HECKLER SPRAY 06.06.2007 08:51 AM

don't worry, I was talking about buzzo's post.
I don't slander Hendrix influence, man.

sarramkrop 06.06.2007 08:58 AM

Not only The Velvet Underground and Jimi Hendrix are unrelated, but listening to Les Razilles Denudes sometimes makes me think that perhaps there was no need for The Jesus And Mary Chain either. You were made to pay a fine for playing a blues scale in the Velvets , so I don't know what you mean with statements like that.

Edit - Roberta

Florya 06.06.2007 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Jimi hendrix was the greatest guitarist ever. Please do not forget that in his short 27 years he played with everyone from blues acts to jazz bands to little richard to the experience, band of gypsies, etc. He was a genius, undoubtedly, and he is most definitely in the running for BEST GUITARIST EVER and if you do not think so then you are CRAZY and deluded or sme sort of hipster than wants to name drop some japanese noise guy.

without jimi hendrix NONE of the music we listen to and love (sonic skronk music) would have come about. there would ne no velvets, there would be no sonic youth.

Jimi Hendrix died at age 27, if he had lived, he woudl be playing free jazz improv concerts with lee ranaldo and thurston and blowing their asses out of the water.

Jimi played lead and ryhtm at the same time, with a right handed guitar backwards and strung upside down. self taught.

Long live Jimi.

Jimi, please forgive them for they know not what they do.






Spot on Mr. Instigator.

Greatness is measured not just by his technical ability, but by the innovations he made within his chosen art form and his influence on his peers and the generations of musicians ( not just guitarists ) that came after him.

On all three counts Hendrix is head and shoulders above every other guitarist I can think of so, yes I think Hendrix was the best guitarist ever.

Rob Instigator 06.06.2007 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarramkrop
Not only The Velvet Underground and Jimi Hendrix are unrelated, but listening to Les Razilles Denudes sometimes makes me think that perhaps there was no need for The Jesus And Mary Chain either. You were made to pay a fine for playing a blues scale in the Velvets , so I don't know what you mean with statements like that.

Edit - Roberta


There was never any need for the J&MC.

anyone who sclupted feedback AFTER Jimi, owes a debt to JIMI and you know it sarramkrop

come on. Lou Reed used to frequent all o Jimi's NYC gigs. he stormed out of one becausd eof DEEP JEALOUSY, disguised as petty faggotry

sarramkrop 06.06.2007 09:48 AM

Where did you read that? Lou Reed wote an article where he praises Jimi Hendrix, sure, but The Velvet Underground acknowledged The Who or even the cruder bits of The Rolling Stones as vague rock influences. I appreciate Jimi's talent, no problem with that, but he simply wasn't the most revolutionary musician at the time.

Rob Instigator 06.06.2007 10:22 AM

he was the most revolutionary electric guitarist at the time for sure man.

sarramkrop 06.06.2007 10:37 AM

Answer my question, Roberta. Where did you read about Lou Reed storming off a Hendrix gig in a fit of jelousy?

atari 2600 06.06.2007 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
There was never any need for the J&MC.

anyone who sclupted feedback AFTER Jimi, owes a debt to JIMI and you know it sarramkrop


Thing is, he really doesn't know. He's got his head up his ass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
come on. Lou Reed used to frequent all o Jimi's NYC gigs. he stormed out of one becausd eof DEEP JEALOUSY, disguised as petty faggotry


The majority of musicians were jealous of Hendrix back in his day; everyone knew he was so much better than they were. Hendrix made them all look like pretentious fools by comparison.

Green_mind 06.06.2007 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

besides, we have to thank him for all the moron guitarists who twist and contort their faces every time they solo. he's done more harm than good.


haha there were tonnes of awesome gurners/guitarists out there even before mr hendrix.

I think he was awesome solo guitarist on both levels of influential innovations he made and his technical ability, but on them same full two levels I also think mr mascis equals out with him. Put it this way, if mascis and hendrix dueled it out in some hilly meadows with huge marshall stacks opposing each other, I think they'd both draw their guitars and turn around at the same time, then we'd have two dead guitar heroes or in this reality, another dead guitar hero and they'd be lying down dead opposite each other with a never ending increase of roaring feedback, the roar of two big dinosaurs, now dead.

atari 2600 06.06.2007 10:48 AM

that's a laugh

a sampling of the reaction to Hendrix

Jeff Beck: "I suppose I have to give up the guitar now." (paraphrase)

Pete Townsend (to Eric Clapton): "What are we going to do about this?"

Neil Young: "There's nobody even in the same building as that guy (Hendrix)."

Eric Clapton: "Is he really that good?"
(after being joined onstage by Jimi doing "Killing Floor" and leaving the stage in complete frustration)

sarramkrop 06.06.2007 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600
Thing is, he really doesn't know. He's got his head up his ass.



The majority of musicians were jealous of Hendrix back in his day; everyone knew he was so much better than they were. Hendrix made them all look like pretentious fools by comparison.


Didn't you claim that The Beatles influenced The Velvet Underground, once? Talk about having your head up your arse.

atari 2600 06.06.2007 10:54 AM

Yeah, the Velvets were hermetically sealed away in a time capsule until they made their first album.

And, as for your feeble attempt at a sleight, no, I've never mentioned that specifically anyway, resident cornball.

sarramkrop 06.06.2007 11:00 AM

Whatever. Didn't you also claim that Thurston Moore hated all disco music, once? Fucking hell, you have a habit of making these grandiose statements that are just your own assumptions and nothing more.

atari 2600 06.06.2007 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by luxinterior
I like Hendrix just fine, but best guitarist ever? That sort of implies that every guitarist should strive to be just like him


Why? It's just about being cognizant of and giving the respect that's due. I don't know why you have to bring in all this other baggage when it's merely a plain fact to anyone that knows anything about playing a guitar.

atari 2600 06.06.2007 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarramkrop
Whatever. Didn't you also claim that Thurston Moore hated all disco music, once? Fucking hell, you have a habit of making these grandiose statements that are just your own assumptions and nothing more.


I've mentioned that Thurston Moore hates NIN before and implied that he hated most "electronic" rock...electronica...which is something he stated in, I think, a SPIN magazine interview in the '90s. In the same article, he said he liked Elastica okay though. As for whatever else you're driving after, maybe you should stop attributing these "grandiose statements that are just (my) own assumptions and nothing more," because they are obviously just your own assumptions and nothing more.

sarramkrop 06.06.2007 11:07 AM

I've read that, but you still posted on here that he hated disco music and not 'electronic' rock.

demonrail666 06.06.2007 11:12 AM

To say that a band are influenced by other bands or musicians is one thing, and I'm sure that to a certain degree Lou Reed heard and considered what Hendrix was doing. But to say that the Velvet's wouldn't have existed without him is frankly absurd considering that a massive bulk of their influences came from elsewhere.

Hendrix was undoubtedy responsible for changing vast swathes of rock music, but not all of it.


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