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afterthefact 07.31.2007 03:57 PM

Pop guilt...
 
What is your pop guilty pleasure? I know we have had threads like this before, but people are always to afraid of losing popularity points and play it safe with picks like The Ramones or The Clash. What I want is a TRULY Top 40's/Total Request Live/Real World Soundtrack popular pleasure. Any Britney Spears fans here? Got a Papa Roach poster up on the wall? Can't muster up the strength to take Blink 182 off the ipod rotation? That's what I am looking for here. To get it started, I have a soft spot for bands like Circa Survive and Chiodos. Don't know why, I just like them. Also I can dig some Phantom Planet or Rooney from time to time. It goes against the grain of my usual avante-garde/punk/indie/etc selections I would choose, but I just simply like them.

You?

sonicl 07.31.2007 04:15 PM

I've been singing my love of Scissor Sisters from the rooftops for the last ten days, and my love of Girls Aloud and Sugababes for much much longer than that. And I feel no guilt for that. I'm the wrong person to be posting in this thread really.

I've never heard of Circa Survive, Chiodos, Phantom Plant or Rooney, by the way.

HaydenAsche 07.31.2007 04:21 PM

I don't feel guilty about any of the music I like because my taste is better than yours is anyways.

Savage Clone 07.31.2007 04:23 PM

Are Choidos named after the brothers Chiodo, who gave us the film "Killer Klowns From Outer Space?"

pbradley 07.31.2007 04:30 PM

I remember liking the Phantom Planet's single "Big Brat" but then soon losing interest in their models-with-instruments style. I also resent the shit out of "California."

afterthefact 07.31.2007 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Are Choidos named after the brothers Chiodo, who gave us the film "Killer Klowns From Outer Space?"


Not that I know of, although anything is impossible.

I knew this would bring up this sort of response, still nobody opening up their horrible secrets for fear of jeers :)

Savage Clone 07.31.2007 04:50 PM

The only reason I am not offering up any titles is the fact that I am honestly completely out of touch with "top 40" radio/video, and I have been for quite some time. College radio is the only music radio I tune in for, honestly.

sonicl 07.31.2007 04:52 PM

For fucks' sake, I've given you Scissor Sisters, Sugababes and Girls Aloud. What more do you want???

Savage Clone 07.31.2007 04:56 PM

Guess we'll just have to wait until Glice signs on next.

Pookie 07.31.2007 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone
The only reason I am not offering up any titles is the fact that I am honestly completely out of touch with "top 40" radio/video, and I have been for quite some time. College radio is the only music radio I tune in for, honestly.


Same here, apart from the college radio bit. If the radio's on, it's Radio 3 or 4.

Norma J 07.31.2007 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterthefact
What is your pop guilty pleasure? I know we have had threads like this before, but people are always to afraid of losing popularity points and play it safe with picks like The Ramones or The Clash. What I want is a TRULY Top 40's/Total Request Live/Real World Soundtrack popular pleasure. Any Britney Spears fans here? Got a Papa Roach poster up on the wall? Can't muster up the strength to take Blink 182 off the ipod rotation? That's what I am looking for here. To get it started, I have a soft spot for bands like Circa Survive and Chiodos. Don't know why, I just like them. Also I can dig some Phantom Planet or Rooney from time to time. It goes against the grain of my usual avante-garde/punk/indie/etc selections I would choose, but I just simply like them.

You?


Phantom Planet are fuckin' cool man. I own one of their albums and it's a solid pop record.

People consider Britney etc pop, but I just consider that manufactured shit. Pop is a distinctive thing that can only be caught within a band, and then it's a beautiful thing. Beatles, Built to Spill (with a touch of 'indie'), Silverchair, Lo-tel, all great pop bands to name a few. It can all sound different but it's still got those lush, catchy, beautiful hooks and song structure. I guess that's why I don't consider pop a dirty, embarrasing thing. Although, alot of bands I consider pop are'nt the 'cool' thing to like - not tough enough or something, I guess. I don't know.

pbradley 07.31.2007 05:34 PM

I've always been meaning to ask, Norma J, is that Fugazi in your avatar? If not, who?

Glice 07.31.2007 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Guess we'll just have to wait until Glice signs on next.


I was going to avoid posting, I think I've said more than enough on this here subject recently.

I would like to say that sonicl is pretty much right. AND I have tickets for Erasure soon, so in your faces motherfuckers.

demonrail666 07.31.2007 05:44 PM

Great pop is nothing to feel guilty about.

N-Trance's Set Me Free is a stone classic and receives needletime at DR666 Towers at least once a day.

The first two Avril Lavigne albums are outrageously good. Her 'difficult third' album seems to be riddled with indecision though.

Disgruntled Youth 07.31.2007 05:52 PM

Oh god...

Deep Dish: what can I say I dig good house music
Radiohead & early Smashing Pumpking (blah)
Bob Marley

Glice 07.31.2007 05:55 PM

I haven't heard the third yet, I was planning on getting it this weekend. I might do what I usually do with pop albums and wait for them to appear in the reduced section of HMV or whatever. I don't like shopping at Asda for CDs, it feels oily and wrong. Not quite sure how it's better than HMV, but there we go.

N-Trance's Set me free is, indeed, fine, but is it as fine as this?. Dear God she's unbelievable, why haven't I married her?
Or this one? I was 10 years old when this came out. Madness.

EDIT: This was in response to DR666

SynthethicalY 07.31.2007 06:07 PM

Justin Timberlake owns, screw you guys if you disagree.

demonrail666 07.31.2007 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
N-Trance's Set me free is, indeed, fine, but is it as fine as this?. Dear God she's unbelievable, why haven't I married her?
Or this one? I was 10 years old when this came out. Madness.


They're both great, but I always felt Set Me Free was more of a grassroots response type record. It had no industry backing but just kept growing, like a force of nature. You can picture the bedroom it was made in, in a way that you sort of can't with 2 Unlimited or Snap.

Minor points, but there you go.

also, re Avril's third. Be careful not to get the cleaned up radio friendly version. It doesn't make it that clear on the cover.

pbradley 07.31.2007 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SynthethicalY
Justin Timberlake owns, screw you guys if you disagree.

Considering that I've heard only positive things from basically anyone who has heard FutureSex/LoveSounds, that's not exactly a controversial opinion anymore.

Glice 07.31.2007 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
They're both great, but I always felt Set Me Free was more of a grassroots response type record. It had no industry backing but just kept growing, like a force of nature. You can picture the bedroom it was made in, in a way that you sort of can't with 2 Unlimited or Snap.

Minor points, but there you go.

also, re Avril's third. Be careful not to get the cleaned up radio friendly version. It doesn't make it that clear on the cover.


Yeah, I was quite looking forward to hearing Avril sing 'Motherfucking'. It's certainly a step up from the 'shit' of the second.

I was a bit too young for the songs mentioned, and they all sounded weird to me at the time.

Have you noticed that Chemistry is about 5 millions times better than Sound of the Underground? And, did you notice that about the time of Justin's first record pop albums started being good all the way through, rather than 3 singles and a load of gash (including the obligatory, sub-La Isla Bonita 'spanish' track)? I have a theory that says that as soon as the majors started going into freefall (Napster, Audiogalaxy) they suddenly realised they could no longer survive on insubstantial/ half-baked material. And, in contrast to many people, Kelly Clarkson's most recent record is utter shite by comparison to her first (very good) record. Which I wouldn't have bought were it not for Mr Neurotic's recommendation. I never did say thanks. Thanks, Mr Neurotic.

Everyneurotic 07.31.2007 06:44 PM

i don;t feel guilty at all but...

yes
mahavishnu
hits from the 80's (men at work, bananarama, etc.)
hair metal
journey
boston
early 90's dance
grunge pop like candlebox, sponge, collective soul.
some nu metal
atreyu's first album
my chem's three cheers for sweet revenge
kelly clarkson
britney
paris
christina (first album)
a teens
M2M
avril
b-witched
*nsync
s club 7
that umbrella song by rihanna
power metal
vanessa carlton
MICHELLE BRANCH
liz phair's why can't i (heressy to admit you like a single song from her major label stuff, but that song is a masterpiece).

demonrail666 07.31.2007 06:45 PM

I'm not that aware of Kelly Clarkson's stuff but I hate the recent Justin Timberlake song (the one with the long video featuring Scarlett Johanson).

It seems to be an attempt to make something of a pop symphony, without any real empathy with the pop form itself. It's an anti-pop record, ultimately - filled with broadsweeping empty gestures and pretentious bombast.

Compare it with Stars are Blind, which strips it down to perfection.

That said, I'm not a massive fan of most of the RnB influenced pop currently being produced in the States. I tend to pin my flag more on the European post House variety.

Everyneurotic 07.31.2007 06:48 PM

oh yeah, i like his first solo album, the new one is just an abortion, can;t see why people like it.

demonrail666 07.31.2007 06:52 PM

Besides, I think as a 36 year old my opinions on pop are sort of irrelevent. It's not made for me after all. When I was in my teens, the idea of a person in their 30s having the vaguest clue about good pop was, frankly, laughable.

Everyneurotic 07.31.2007 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
I'm not that aware of Kelly Clarkson's stuff but I hate the recent Justin Timberlake song (the one with the long video featuring Scarlett Johanson).

It seems to be an attempt to make something of a pop symphony, without any real empathy with the pop form itself. It's an anti-pop record, ultimately - filled with broadsweeping empty gestures and pretentious bombast.

Compare it with Stars are Blind, which strips it down to perfection.
...


fucking a, my man, fucking a.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 07.31.2007 08:33 PM

I like JoJo.

Onani Nic 08.01.2007 02:52 AM

About half the Gwen Stefani singles
The Veronics
Avril's Girlfriend (especially the Lil' Mama remix)
JT's My Love and Sexyback
MANEATER


sarramkrop 08.01.2007 03:32 AM

I'm the product of spending too much time watching pop videos on tv as a child.

atsonicpark 08.01.2007 03:38 AM

futuresex/lovesounds is amazing.

robot vocals, glitch beats, insane synths.

atsonicpark 08.01.2007 03:38 AM

also, i don't feel guilty about anything, but i do just fucking love me some weezer and static-x!

Rob Instigator 08.01.2007 11:29 AM

Three words

PET SHOP BOYS

Tey are my guilty pop pleasure. I collect their 45's, I have about 7 of them

Rob Instigator 08.01.2007 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarramkrop
I'm the product of spending too much time watching pop videos on tv as a child.


Hear hear!

sonicl 08.01.2007 11:33 AM

I haven't mentioned Mika, have I?

Mika.

Alex's Trip 08.01.2007 11:44 AM

Madonna, Gwen Stefani, Justin Timberlake, and...Kelly Clarkson?

Alex's Trip 08.01.2007 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonicl
I haven't mentioned Mika, have I?

Mika.

Grace Kelley is a good song, though the only song I've heard.

sonicl 08.01.2007 11:58 AM

Oh, just you wait until you hear "Big Girl (You Are Beautiful)". Oh, the bassline...

It's on his myspace: http://www.myspace.com/mikamyspace

k-krack 08.01.2007 12:07 PM

Fuck, gross, guys. I'll direct you to a thread on Punksud (local punk forum).
I can not for the life of me understand what is appealing about too high voices + annoying melodies + shitty dance music backing it all up.
http://punksud.the1800phoneline.com/...pic.php?t=3914

sonicl 08.01.2007 12:18 PM

Aww, k-krack no like party party? :( :( :(








:D

Rob Instigator 08.01.2007 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
Besides, I think as a 36 year old my opinions on pop are sort of irrelevent. It's not made for me after all. When I was in my teens, the idea of a person in their 30s having the vaguest clue about good pop was, frankly, laughable.


all that means is that as teens one KNOWS NOTHING but thinks one knows everything.

The greatest POP album ever, Michael Jackson's Thriller, was penned by Michael when he was 30 and by Quincy Jones who wrote most of the mnusic when he was in his 50's

demonrail666 08.01.2007 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
all that means is that as teens one KNOWS NOTHING but thinks one knows everything.

The greatest POP album ever, Michael Jackson's Thriller, was penned by Michael when he was 30 and by Quincy Jones who wrote most of the mnusic when he was in his 50's


Yeah well, Michael Jackson's not exactly known for his maturity and Quincy Jones is a one off genius.


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