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SpectralJulianIsNotDead 10.26.2007 12:36 AM

What do you think of the following non-mainstream science things?
 
Yonaguni Monument
Bimini Road
UFO sightings and alien abduction- greys and little green men
the new jersey devil
el chupacabra
big foot/yeti
loch ness monster
ghosts
hollow earth theory
flat earth theory

hollow earth and flat earth theories make me smile because they are so moronic. It is hard to write off an animal as non-existant, as new species are discovered every year- but it is hard to believe the theories based on sketchy stories and shoddy videotape. UFOs fall under the same thing, although there is most likely life out there somewhere more advanced than us, so I wouldn't write it off completely. As far as ghosts I lean a bit more towards believing just because I've known many credible people who have had experiences. Bimini Road seems kind of dumb, but I want to believe the Yonaguni monument is manmade. It would make a lot of sense afterall if it was.

Anngella 10.26.2007 12:58 AM

I'm stubborn and I don't believe in things that I haven't/can't see. Though that's not to say that I don't think some of the said things could be possible, as most everything is subjective.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 10.26.2007 01:01 AM

I try to keep an open mind to things I can't disprove.

Plus I like to think that there are things that nobody knows about. . . that are right under our nose and haven't been discovered.

Yonaguni is particularly intriguiging. . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonagun...bed_structures

It would explain the universality of flood stories and of monolithic architecture if it is manmade.

m1rr0r dash 10.26.2007 01:02 AM

you forgot the sandwiches, yo.

!@#$%! 10.26.2007 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash
you forgot the marfa lights, yo.


shhhhh!!!

they have your DNA now

Alex's Trip 10.26.2007 02:03 AM

There was some show on last night that talked about cows being abducted, having all the blood removed, and then being dropped down by aliens. Apparently, cow DNA is similar to ours, and the aliens want it for research.

Pax Americana 10.26.2007 02:19 AM

What about the MOTHMAN!?!?!?!?!? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman


I think most of this stuff is total crap, to be honest. I mean... the Chupacabra... really?

I do believe in alien life. If the universe is infinite, there's gotta be something else out there right? I don't really buy into all the UFO, government cover-up stuff though. I think most of that shit's just nuts.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 10.26.2007 02:29 AM

Well, the Chupacabra as legend goes as ridiculous, but there could be a real animal that has inspired the legends.

Mothman's pretty stupid- more urban legend than non-mainstream science, although the two fields do cross over frequently.

ZEROpumpkins 10.26.2007 02:58 AM

Yonaguni Monument - ?
Bimini Road - ?
UFO sightings and alien abduction- greys and little green men - Yes
the new jersey devil - Yes
el chupacabra - Yes
big foot/yeti - Yes
loch ness monster - Yes
ghosts - Not sure
hollow earth theory - Nope
flat earth theory - Nope

Answers in red

I tend believe in things (but not religion) until they are proven wrong. I particulary believe in UFO's though, because there's sure to be life in space that has the technology to visit us etc.

Anngella 10.26.2007 03:04 AM

I don't really think there are aliens that are little green men. There is surely life (amoeba-like micro-organisms and such) on other planets but I don't think they've came here in flying saucers and abducted cows or impregnated any women.

pbradley 10.26.2007 04:10 AM

What About Building 7??

ZEROpumpkins 10.26.2007 04:24 AM

What about it? The demolition of it?

ALIEN ANAL 10.26.2007 04:35 AM

how about The Terminator

pbradley 10.26.2007 04:35 AM

What about the controlled explosions, Bill?

Rob Instigator 10.26.2007 09:40 AM

Yonaguni Monument - do not know what this is
Bimini Road - do not know what this refers to
UFO sightings and alien abduction- greys and little green men - hallucinations and suggestion. I am much more likely to take a sighting of an unidentified flying object seriously than any account of how some alien kidnapped you or probed you. humans have been recounting these same stories since the beggining of time, and they all are due to hallucinations while asleep.
the new jersey devil - have not heard anything about this other than some odd references
el chupacabra - plenty of animals like to kill goats besides cloven hoofed monsters
big foot/yeti - if sasquatch and yeti were real ever they probably went extinct in the last 20 years. it has been about that long since any credible sightings have occurred.
loch ness monster - hoax.
ghosts - while I do not believe in souls or an afterlife or god or any spirits or that nonsense, I do think that human consciousness is a powereful energy and that, energy and matter being interchangeable, sometimes traumatic events can cause such a mental anguish that they leave some sort of impression on the surrounding matter, thereby allowing people with "sensitive" minds to feel/seee/experience something that appears to be a ghost or spirit. don;t know how to test this though.
hollow earth theory - every single test that determines we live in a sphere can be reversed mathematically to show we live IN a sphere and not ON a sphere, however, that is just a match trick, and people who believe in tis shit are fucking idiots and deluded and have no idea what outer space is. what the fuck is the hubble taking pictures of if not outer space? that would demand an infinitely big inner space of the earth.
flat earth theory - morons

Rob Instigator 10.26.2007 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex's Trip
There was some show on last night that talked about cows being abducted, having all the blood removed, and then being dropped down by aliens. Apparently, cow DNA is similar to ours, and the aliens want it for research.


all DNA is similar to ALL DNA. it is DNA!!!! stupid tv show. even the most remote animal to humans shares at least 80% of our gentic structure, even TREES and PLANTS

Savage Clone 10.26.2007 09:50 AM

I don't know if "believe" is the right word, but I very much want to live in a world that includes goatsuckers, nessie and the yeti.

sonicl 10.26.2007 09:54 AM

It's not something I think about really. But the area of Loch Ness where Nessie is supposed to hang out does have a very eerie atmosphere to it.

Danny Himself 10.26.2007 10:05 AM

Bimini Road is definitely very interesting, considering how it's discovery was predicted 30 years beforehand. It just looks like a little street. Where the rest of it all went, I have no idea.

floatingslowly 10.26.2007 10:05 AM

el chupacabras are totally sweet (sweet like ninjas).

they like to flip out and kill goats (just like ninjas).

I love el chupacabra with every part of my body (including my pee pee).

that said, I think that ninjas are totally some made up bullshit (to take the heat off of el chupacabra).

girlgun 10.26.2007 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by floatingslowly
el chupacabras are totally sweet (sweet like ninjas).

they like to flip out and kill goats (just like ninjas).

I love el chupacabra with every part of my body (including my pee pee).

that said, I think that ninjas are totally some made up bullshit (to take the heat off of el chupacabra).


haha. ahhhhh.

Savage Clone 10.26.2007 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by floatingslowly
I love el chupacabra with every part of my body (including my pee pee).


You call me a deviant, and yet you say this in relation to a creature known as a goatsucker?

For a robot, your logic is highly suspect.

tesla69 10.26.2007 10:12 AM

re yeti - Philip K Dick used to talk about intelligent earth beings that evolved to not be able to be perceived by humans.

very strange book by exUS Air Force Thomas Bearden Excalibur Briefing described these as "tulpoidal' beings - can be brought into this awareness with various "psychotronic" procedures...

Rob Instigator 10.26.2007 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
Don't forget about Planet X. I've heard some interesting discussion about this mysterious planet, but I don't know enough to lean one way or another. Back when I was in Jr. High, they were teaching us that Saturn had seven rings. Due to advances in technology, I guess we can now possibly see a planet we didn't know existed. Comet Hale-Bopp sure caught everyone by surprise back in 97.


planet X is one of those un-provavble hypothesis that cannot be test4ed or disproved, therefor e it is BULLSHIT.

the whole hoax posits that there is a planet, planet X, that lies at the exact opposite of earth's orbit around the sun, so that we never see it, it never affects us, and it is always hiding behind the sun.

stupid stupid pseudoscience

mangajunky 10.26.2007 10:27 AM

Expanding Earth Theory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_earth_theory

I started reading about this one when one of my fave comic artists, Neal Adams started pushing it.

http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html

floatingslowly 10.26.2007 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
planet X is one of those un-provavble hypothesis that cannot be test4ed or disproved, therefor e it is BULLSHIT.

the whole hoax posits that there is a planet, planet X, that lies at the exact opposite of earth's orbit around the sun, so that we never see it, it never affects us, and it is always hiding behind the sun.

stupid stupid pseudoscience


the idea of Planet X was born of solid math (discrepancies in the orbits of the outer planets).

and is it such "stupid stupid pseudoscience" if it led to the discovery of Neptune, Pluto, and Eris?

interestingly, Neptune was discovered almost simultaneously by two mathematicians seaching to solve the problem of the calculated vs. observed orbits of the known solar system.

after Neptune, there were still problems with the math. that's when Percival Lowell (founder of the Lowell Observatory where Pluto was discovered) came up with the idea of Planet X.

it might not be "true", and it might be pushing the envelope of what is and what was acceptable science, but I hardly think it's stupid.

ALIEN ANAL 10.26.2007 10:46 AM

i think fox!

Rob Instigator 10.26.2007 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floatingslowly
the idea of Planet X was born of solid math (discrepancies in the orbits of the outer planets).

and is it such "stupid stupid pseudoscience" if it led to the discovery of Neptune, Pluto, and Eris?

interestingly, Neptune was discovered almost simultaneously by two mathematicians seaching to solve the problem of the calculated vs. observed orbits of the known solar system.

after Neptune, there were still problems with the math. that's when Percival Lowell (founder of the Lowell Observatory where Pluto was discovered) came up with the idea of Planet X.

it might not be "true", and it might be pushing the envelope of what is and what was acceptable science, but I hardly think it's stupid.


dude, it is stupid. the outer planets were discovered by perceived aberrations in the planet's orbits, which, when put through newton's mathematics, showed where the planet should be based on gravitational fluxes. planet X has nothing of that sort going in it's postulate. it is a completely un-testable makebelieve.

floatingslowly 10.26.2007 11:46 AM

but those planets were discovered in the pursuit of Planet X!

the ends justify the means.

at that time, there was no concept of the gravitational effect of the Oort Cloud or the Kuiper Belt.

the theory that there was some unknown "X" to be the cause, drove people to discover the truth. THAT is where it's scientific value lies.

and again, the first major proponents of this theory were not quacks (I'm not talking about the current belief in Planet X / Nemesis / epoch ending body / etc etc).

John BIGBALLS Couch Adams.
Urbain Le Verrier (he's french and has no manly nickname).
Percival MotherFuckin' Lowell.

NOT QUACKS!

SynthethicalY 10.26.2007 11:52 AM

I believe in the bigges pseudoscience, that is Jesus.

floatingslowly 10.26.2007 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SynthethicalY
I believe in the bigges pseudoscience, that is Jesus.


He prefers to be called Jesus FOOTLONG Christ.

please be courteous.

Rob Instigator 10.26.2007 04:15 PM

the current Planet X mythology is what I rail against, not the previous use of the term "planet x" to describe what could be outside of neptune's orbit, which turned out to be Uranus then Pluto.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 10.26.2007 05:06 PM

Rob:

Yonaguni Monument is an underwater thing that looks like a manmade monument off of an island coast in southern Japan that hasn't been above sealevel for 8,000 years.

Some scientists say that it just looks manmade and is all naturally formed, some say that it is mostly naturally formed and partially manformed, some say it is a man-made monument. People think it is possibly Atlantis or Mu.


Here's a picture:
 

Tokolosh 10.26.2007 06:01 PM

It's highly probable that life exists elsewhere in the universe,
but it hasn't reached us yet, and probably never will.

The rest are all B-movies.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 10.26.2007 06:26 PM

I think it is kind of odd to assume that all the life out in the universe is less advanced than us.

There are probably alien races out there much more advanced than us, maybe some resistant to cosmic radiation.

And there is also the chance that Einstein was wrong about not being able to travel faster than the speed of light.

If there is intelligent life in our galaxy, maybe they'll send colonists here or researchers here.

We'll try to colonize other star systems eventually, probably in the next few hundred years. I expect withing the next 300-400 years for us to start colonizing the solar system, and after that to start exploring past it.

LittlePuppetBoy 10.26.2007 07:24 PM

Despite the fact it isn't real, stuff like chupacabra is interesting to read about.

Danny Himself 10.26.2007 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mangajunky
Expanding Earth Theory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_earth_theory

I started reading about this one when one of my fave comic artists, Neal Adams started pushing it.

http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html


I saw that presentation on youtube, I think. I had always assumed thats how the world worked and scientists agreed.. but I guess not.

Rob Instigator 10.26.2007 11:00 PM

i love reading about all this stuff

ZEROpumpkins 10.26.2007 11:45 PM

It is indeed interesting

Everyneurotic 10.26.2007 11:57 PM

the earth is hollow!!!!! and it's situated on the top o f giant tortoise shell!!!


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