Why is Speed a Better Drug than Weed?
 

Come on Glice, tell us your theory. Enlighten us.

less subtle than mine

Because the common way of taking it is ingestion?

I don't know. My drugs of choice are alcohol and benadryl. I'm a pretty sedate person.

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the effects of cannabis on the brain

First of all, everyone knows that speed is filthy - it is a drug that know its place. Most people who use it do so when they're young and give up on it. Those who continue do it for long social functions, long flights - it serves a useful social purpose (insofar as the majority of people yack endlessly about shit - with the speed user they just compress that a little). Those who use it habitually were always going to be wrecks. No sane person wants to be awake forever. If you do, you're not sane - speed is the drug for you.

Weed is 'cool'. It relaxes you. It makes you talk shit very, very slowly. It encourages you to listen to very, very bad music. It has psychological repurcussions in a great many people. Lots and lots of people do it.
Plenty of those people are deluded into thinking it's harmless. Many of them argue that cigarettes and alcohol are more harmful. Why yes, yes they are. That doesn't mean weed doesn't, or won't make you an idiot. Weed smokers, the sort getting towards their early-30s, are a load of sanctimonious pricks. There is no cut-off point with weed, because it is no-where near as ridiculous as speed. Because it's not ridiculous (i.e., you can just about saunter along at half-consciousness for months, years at a time) you never get the blessed relief, as with speed, when you finally stop doing it, if indeed you do.

These are irrational arguments, yes. However, in my personal observations - and if yours are different, I'd probably call you a liar - I know loads and loads of perfectly decent, intelligent people who habitually, or casually, smoke weed and fail to notice that (with a pitifully few exceptions) they become lethargic, anti-social lepers with faint notions of the intelligence they haven't excersized for years. With speed you either do it for a bit and realise why it's not a good idea or you're mental, in which case, you're mental so whatever you take isn't going to make a great deal of difference. It's more divisive, yes. And that's a very good thing indeed.

I could summarise with the following: people on speed listen to gabba, Happy Hardcore and your various tribes of hip-hop. People on weed listen to Pink fucking Floyd.

That's a truly logical argument, isn't it? Posting two scientific explanations of speed and a FUCKING STATUE you weed-addled moron.

So you're saying it's better to be a drug-taking idiot short-term than long-term. Wouldn't it be better still to be a non-drug-taking non-idiot?

Yes, of course. That option passed me by a long time ago, sadly. Live and learn, and so on.

So you're in for the long haul, then? With weed? Or are you in a short-term addiction?

I don't mean to be obtuse. This is a little confusing to me.

I take drugs, at most, twice a year if you must know. Last year not at all. Weed was the first of the drugs I've tried to be given up, and I felt tenfold better for doing so.

I had a friend who used to do speed who was an emotionless asshole with bad memory. Hmmmmm.

Sounds like he found his perfect drug. Kudos.

I've just thought - for the Americans: we do have meth over here, but the speed to which I'm referring is not as strong as meth.

Talk to Frank, innit?

Weed is okay. Good bud is great. Watch the impact on your budget and make intelligent judgements. Take the proper precautions against risky behavior.

Speed sucks. Speed kills. I should underline that. At extremely tiny dosages, like maybe microbumps over hours of time, it's okay, even kind of cool, but other than that, it's way too fucked-up and dirty in a fucked-up and dirty bad sorta way. For goodness sake, look at the hardcore addicts: rapid degeneration overall, and open sores and shit. That chemical crap, meth and ice and all of that total shit rots your body like no other. Consider that brain cells destroyed by chemicals tend to not regenerate.

As far as over the counter speed like ephedrine, I've never been one to take them. I had this one roommate, a good friend, that would take ridiculous amounts of the trucker speed along with robo dm. One morning his mother called. and I went in to see if he was up and he looked dead. His skin was discolored. I called his name out in escalating volumes and tones. He didn't respond and then I went to shaking and jostling him and still nothing until he finally woke.

The best way these days to use speed is to take Adderall. Adderall is composed of two primary ingedients, sugar and 100% pharmaceutical grade amphetamine.

I've taken it in the past, most of my time on in was okay because I only had various friends with prescriptions that would sell or trade me some at times a few times a month or so. Over the long -term it certainly can't be good for your mind or your natural sense of pleasure (even moreso than a lot of drugs) and most imortantly, it surely is bad for you because it's a chemically-based speed. Cocaine is a hard drug, but damn, at least it's derived directly from a plant (although it is altered through kerosene, acetone, ammonia or whatever used burn the crushed coca buds).

Ondine used to talk some wild trash...a crazy speed-head on benzedrine strips. Oh well, that's a romantic aspect anyway.
There is a beloved poster here that no longer posts with any regularity that had some serious problems with the meth end of the speed spectrum.

I think it's better to be straight, all in all.

speed is alright at the time
but in the morning you feel crud

weed is good at the time and in the morning i generaly feel fine

speed is good depending on who your with and where you are

Fuck Pink Floyd. Pink Floyd got boring even before I started smoking weed.

I smoke weed:
to relax
to sleep (before I started I would stay up really fucking late, now I smoke a joint at 1 and go the fuck to sleep)
to entertain myself and enjoy things more
to eat lots
and because I love it.

I've never done speed and I don't want to. I'm pretty sure I'd die of a heart attack or something.

We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee; we don't take our trips on LSD.

You're just too cool for school aren't you?

I don't care how popular Pink Floyd are, they were a really good band. Dark Side of the Moon is an amazing album. Live at Pompeii is a great performance.

Their early stuff with Syd was great.

The Wall should have been half as long though. Half of the songs are really good, and half of them blow the big one.

You must be very proud.

hah ha ha

i love the contrarian argument and have to agree with it, with some reservations. but yes.

i have these friends who are after-work potheads. they lead normal lives, have jobs, study, have dinner parties, own a couple of dogs, live in a cool as fuck house, etc.

they are nice fun kind funny and great people to be around-- until they get stoned.

then they sit on their couches with half-closed eyes, stare into space with a silly smile, and couldn't hold a decent fucking conversation to save their fucking lives. for shame!

coffee, booze and smoking lead to great conversation and eventual fucking. weed leads to... the munchies and sleep.

weed also leads to many fucking stupid muddleheaded ideas that can't stand up to the most basic examination. of this there are examples galore.

I have bad luck. I can't smoke weed, I just can't. Everytime I do it I get paranoid as hell, and just lock myself up in my head and keep completely wordless. Just sitting in the corner and staring at the others having fun. And when I sober up, the following week or so I always feel depressed and anxious.

So my drug of choice is just a couple of beers here and there.

aaaahahahahaha awesome.

really, I love the reefer... fuck you guys.

and yeah... try to deny Pink Floyd... I've tried, it's impossible.

I smoke weed twice a week but rarely listen to Pink Floyd, even though I like some of their records. I also occasionally take other drugs (including speed) and the last thing that passes through my head is an entire style of music to keep me company while doing so. Wait, I must be mental, then.

The thing is that you don't just have people who smoke weed for recreational purposes. Sad as it might be, I smoke it to relax and get a good night of sleep when I am felling too tired and my back hurts too much. I occasionaly (but very rarely) smoke dope in the company of other people. Same with other drugs: they're ok occasionally, but the price to pay is way too high. If 2 hours of enjoyment give you three days of hell, well, you might as well just take it easy.

You party animal! ha!

By the way, good morning birthday girl.

i do weed when ever really
if im bored and up late
or if im around friends places
if im drunk
if we want to make the adventure to the store that much more fun
or the trip to the pool a bit of fun

Here's a venus flytrap for you, honey.





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I have bought this Chris Weed enviromental sculpture especially for you.

Weed is the safest drug you can do; it's also probably the worst you can do to feel anything besides a slight tinge of "oh man I'm kinda fucked up right now..."

Personally, I don't like either one. I prefer opiates and disassociatives...

you know, maybe some of these people's lethargy, apathy, or stupidity were just pre-existing conditions? further, the statue was a joke to imply that Herb gives you an irie meditation, a state of clarity, where as we all know that speed does quite the opposite. further, I'm sorry glice, but you will just have to admitt that maybe herb causes social problems (ie, ammotivation syndrome, is a social disease, not a mental one) but it DOES not cause any neurological damage, where as speed, well shit, go kick it with anyone who as been smoking weed every day for five years, and then go and kick it with someone who has been smoking Speed everyday for ONE, and you will see the damage right in front of yr face.

some people should not smoke weed, this is true it is not for everybody. however, NOBODY, NOBODY, NOBODY should smoke, snort or slam speed.

!@#$!, that's a great cartoon. I am lol-ing.

Personally drugs either scare me or bore me. Stuff like the harder stuff, obviously, is scary, partly because of the delivery (needles and such) and the physiological effect (I don't want my heart to race, thank you), not to mention the addictiveness.

Other stuff, like pot and LSD, just seems rather banal and pointless.

On the other hand, I like alcohol, but mostly because it usually "tastes" like something. A good, high-gravity beer, for example, has so much flavor and palate qualities and aroma, it's almost like a meal. There's more pleasure involved.

we can find you an equal number of stupid ideas that came from alleged sober people.

some of the early computer programmers claim they got their ideas while on LSD, and back then, it was the real thing.

Weed is boring.
Which, of course, is why I smoke it everyday.
My head hurts and my jokes are dull.
I once had a good thought, though.
Instead of developing it I smoked more pot.
You try living in a town where the people are as culturally deprived as the truckstop down the street.
You try existing solely around people who smoke pot daily and who a genuinely upset if they can't.
Where the only thing to do is ride around back roads, drool forming at your lips, jam bands easing you metamorphesis into a zombie, endless farms rolling by, where cows are the only thing one can truly relate to.
"What's that? You have a great longing, a spark of passion? Too bad."
Cheers to my life.
I think I'll go smoke.
(it does pain me, and is not intentional, that this is how things are)

i think it is better to be alive.

weed's never killed anyone.
rarely has anyone commited aggravated robbery to support a weed habit.

weed is used communaly, with friends, and if you got plenty you will give it away with little worries

weed is naturally occurring flower. you smoke the flower of the marhuana pantr. there are no chemicals added no synthetic tinkering, or lab coat bullshit.

overdosing on weed is near impossible, unless you eat a ton of brownies, and even then the effect is to make you pass out, not death, or a raging rampage a la speed or PCP

weed helps cancer patients and people undergoing chemo for hepatitis and AIDS maintain a normal appetite, helping them heal and nourish themselves.

none of those complaints ahve anything to do with weed man. it has everything to do with the losers you describe. jam band fanatics will love jam bands with ior without weed. wastes and bums will be wastes and bums with or without weed.
why worruy about people who get uspet when they have no weed? remeber what happene din the US when the government told everyoe they could not have any ALCOHOL?

ha ha ha. that's cos they are too sleepy to get violent. but people commit crimes to pay for their weed, like any other addiction.

but anyway, a different story

a pothead friend of mine had this dealer friend who supplied her; one day someone knocks at the door, he opens, they shoot him, go in, grab all his shit and money, and leave. i didnt know if he was left paralized or died completely, i never asked her again, i didn't wanna know.

buds that arrive to your bong are not all holy and crime-free. lots of blood gets spilled on the way. when it gets legalized i'll grow it along my basil and make brownies. but as long as organized crime is in charge, there's a trail of blood to your door. oh yes.

people kill a dealer to steal his shit? that has nothing to do with the weed man, and everything to do with the asshole criminal who wants to take advantage of a drug dealer.
the only reason there is crime and bloodshed is because it is ILLEGAL

if it were decriminalized, as it is in spain, and aprts of canada, and italy and the netherlands, and many other places in the world, that bullshit would cease.