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✌➬ 03.08.2008 12:29 AM

This is why Kids Will Become Idiots.
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,1106194.story

✌➬ 03.08.2008 12:34 AM

Let me defend the title, because Parents are not thought to teach kids in any manner.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 03.08.2008 12:52 AM

I know some very well educated people that were home schooled.

✌➬ 03.08.2008 01:09 AM

Yes, but the majority, are not taught well.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 03.08.2008 01:16 AM

And people in public schools are well educated?

I remember knowing kids in middle school and high school that could barely fucking read. It's shameful.

✌➬ 03.08.2008 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead
And people in public schools are well educated?

I remember knowing kids in middle school and high school that could barely fucking read. It's shameful.


Well, yes that is true. But not enough money is spent on School to begin with.

✌➬ 03.08.2008 01:22 AM

I come from one of the worst school system. I did not learn anything in High School. I was so bored that I decided to drop out. Then to get my diploma in adult school. So basically I am self-taught. But one needs to be really motivated to teach themselves. But having someone there to help you in any way, could be good too.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 03.08.2008 01:23 AM

Fuck, I need to go back to college and become a teacher.

davenotdead 03.08.2008 11:39 AM

how many home-schoolers win those televised spelling bees?... a lot. Im pretty certain that home-schoolers also kick school-kids asses in national testing

HaydenAsche 03.08.2008 11:45 AM

Home schoolers are much smarter. Period.

m1rr0r dash 03.08.2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HaydenAsche
Home schoolers are much smarter. Period.


 

LittlePuppetBoy 03.08.2008 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaydenAsche
Home schoolers are much smarter. Period.


What about all the evangelical christian morons?

HaydenAsche 03.08.2008 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LittlePuppetBoy
What about all the evangelical christian morons?


The homeschooled ones are still more book smart than public school dumbasses.

nomadicfollower 03.08.2008 01:23 PM

Smarter?
What kind of smarter?

davenotdead 03.08.2008 01:31 PM

the kind of smarter that can read and comprehend what they read.

nomadicfollower 03.08.2008 01:34 PM

Beware those who can read and comprehend what they read.

davenotdead 03.08.2008 01:54 PM

exactly. home-schoolers will be ruling America soon

Style 03.08.2008 09:33 PM

i've learned more on my own than i ever have through any kind of school. i've also gone to both public and private schools. both at the college/university level and at the high school level.

i think the people that give home schooling a bad name are the ones that don't want their children to go to a "real" school because they're scared of all the "bad influences". or they want to teach their brand of religion science because apparently scientific explanations are less accurate than a book written many years after the fact.

Glice 03.08.2008 09:50 PM

There's not much of a trend towards home-schooling in the UK (that I've encountered) but the comprehensive sector is fucking dire. People like myself, who arrogantly consider themselves intelligent, are let down by teachers who just want an easy life. I was lucky to pass all of my exams without any effort, and get high grades. If I was in another educational sector I'd've A-starred everything. People who aren't so sharp just fall off the edges of education in the comprehensive sector. There was a kid I'd sit with in geography who wasn't diagnosed dyslexic until he was 16 (i.e., far too late). He was a clever chap, and with a bit of support could've done better, but no-one ever thought to ask why he was able to talk about things but not write.

The thing that makes me most angry is one of my best mates came here with English as a second language - in fact, at the age of 11 she could barely speak it at all. She's also one of the most cuttingly witty and astonishingly perceptive people you'll ever meet, and she didn't get a single GCSE from the comprehensive sector because no-one ever thought to give her extra language support or anything. It annoys me because she thinks she's thick, because her teachers always made her feel thick.

Wow. That was a rambling monologue, well done me.

Cantankerous 03.08.2008 10:00 PM

- most kids aren't too smart anyway
- you have to be licensed to home school your children

Green_mind 03.09.2008 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Glice
There's not much of a trend towards home-schooling in the UK (that I've encountered) but the comprehensive sector is fucking dire. People like myself, who arrogantly consider themselves intelligent, are let down by teachers who just want an easy life. I was lucky to pass all of my exams without any effort, and get high grades. If I was in another educational sector I'd've A-starred everything. People who aren't so sharp just fall off the edges of education in the comprehensive sector. There was a kid I'd sit with in geography who wasn't diagnosed dyslexic until he was 16 (i.e., far too late). He was a clever chap, and with a bit of support could've done better, but no-one ever thought to ask why he was able to talk about things but not write.

The thing that makes me most angry is one of my best mates came here with English as a second language - in fact, at the age of 11 she could barely speak it at all. She's also one of the most cuttingly witty and astonishingly perceptive people you'll ever meet, and she didn't get a single GCSE from the comprehensive sector because no-one ever thought to give her extra language support or anything. It annoys me because she thinks she's thick, because her teachers always made her feel thick.

Wow. That was a rambling monologue, well done me.


that's a major shame, education system in the UK has let a lot of people down and will continue doing so. Schools are too big, lots of lazy teachers with sloppy teaching routines, pointless so-called career advice.

Death & the Maiden 03.09.2008 05:33 AM

Forcing parents to get teaching qualifications to home-school their kids isn't taking away their rights - it's making sure kids get a better education.
Anyway, I go to a public school, and there are lots of intelligent students there getting a good education.

Confucious is sex 03.09.2008 06:53 AM

People don't realise who they are until they are well into their twenties. I say let the kids play for 2 decades, then educate them when they're bored of freedom. We might actually have a chance of them knowing what they want and working towards it then. Plus, playing is much more fun than maths.

barnaclelapse 03.09.2008 10:07 AM

Honestly, I think homeschooling depends on the kid.

A smart kid can benefit highly from that kind of enviroment.

A stupid kid will still be a stupid kid no matter what their enviroment.

!@#$%! 03.09.2008 10:29 AM

Kids Will Become?

Inhuman 03.09.2008 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LittlePuppetBoy
What about all the evangelical christian morons?


This is exactly what I was going to touch base on. Appx 75% of home schooled kids are because their parents are deeply in love with the practice of evangelism. Have any of you seen Jesus Camp? It can lead to kids having a very distorted perspective of reality as well as be very socially awkward becuase of less exposure to the world. Humans are social creatures. We need to interact to know how to live. Sure a lot of homeschooled kids are alright, but there are so many that end up socially awkward.

Do you remember Terry at our school? He was homeschooled and everyone immaturely picked on him for being socially awkward and for not performing a daily cleaning ritual. He's been in college for 7 years. Seven Years.

nature scene 03.09.2008 11:30 AM

don't worry. the government will teach you all you need to know....

Alex's Trip 03.09.2008 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Confucious is sex
People don't realise who they are until they are well into their twenties. I say let the kids play for 2 decades, then educate them when they're bored of freedom. We might actually have a chance of them knowing what they want and working towards it then. Plus, playing is much more fun than maths.

No, no, no. Developmentally, that is stupid. Kids learn while they are kids because that is when the brain needs to.

sarramkrop 03.09.2008 11:41 AM

There is always a lot of emphasis put on how the kids are this and that, surely the adults around them are the ones to blame for some of them turning out that way? It is the only logical explanation to certain social behaviours.

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Confucious is sex 03.09.2008 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex's Trip
No, no, no. Developmentally, that is stupid. Kids learn while they are kids because that is when the brain needs to.


Excellent, thanks very much for taking my post seriously and, thus, making yourself look an idiot. Evidently your brain did not learn enough while it needed to.

!@#$%! 03.09.2008 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Confucious is sex
Excellent, thanks very much for taking my post seriously and, thus, making yourself look an idiot. Evidently your brain did not learn enough while it needed to.


damn, you're such a master of irony, i thought your post was serious too.

well it's because it sort of echoes an argument about college (university for your eeeenglish) for 18 year olds-- that being similar to the thing you said about "the first 2 decades of life". it actually makes lots of sense in that case.

keep in mind, one can take a preposterous argument seriously simply by assuming the other person is an idiot. so maybe that's just what alex assumed. this being the internet, that would not be such a bad guess.

now, i didn't think you were an idiot, just drunk or something. but ha ha yeah i missed your irony too. not "sarcasm". lots of people say "sarcasm" when they mean "irony". it's related, but not the same. anyway. i am just mumbling at this point. blah blah etc.


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