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Is Homosexuality Already Accepted in Europe?
Sorry to bore you with this question. However, I was arguing with a friend ad he really believes that this issue is widely accepted in Europe. I can't agree with this, I could think the cities being more accepted, but not the all of the countries. Can someone tell me please?
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i would think itd be more of an issue in eastern europe if anywhere in europe at all. ive been to paris, all over northern france, amsterdam, barcelona, madrird, london, and dublin and everything seemed pretty tolerant everywhere. but really, theres gonna be hateful people everywhere you go.
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It depends of the places. Where I live now, in Lille (northern France), people are generally tolerant. But when I lived in Marseille (southern France), it seemed like every people there was hateful towards homosexuals, they thought it was against the nature, disgusting, etc etc etc.
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Homosexuality = To an extent we have been given more rights than before. To an extent.
Inoffensive homosexual stereotypes = Yes, mostly. |
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Pretty much what batreleaser said. Been to many places all around Europe and in the majority of so-called 'western' Europe the environment seemed very tolerant. It might be an issue in some of the eastern european countries, but it's only due to the fact that we had less time to get used to the phenomenon of different sexual orientations - until 1989 under communist regime any sign of difference to had been strictly surpressed. But still, there are reasonable differences among eastern European post-socialist countries in public image of this matter. The naturally more liberal countries (Czech Republic, Hungary) do not have any problem accepting homosexuality as it is (registrated partnership of homosexual couples was legally approved a couple of years ago in Czech Republic), however the ones with strong catholic tradition (Poland, Slovakia) seem to have a problem with this. I, as a citizen of Slovakia, think that it will be really tough to pass the law about legalized partnership, however I see that the public image of homosexuality has been changing a LOT for the past few years. You can see gay couples hand in hand on the streets, there are lots of gay bars in the capital city and you can see a lot of it in TV too (like, contestants of reality shows do not have a problem talking about their sexual preferences etc etc). So, all in all, I guess we're becoming a bit more civilised, too :) |
I can't understand how people can't accept homosexuals. It's so retarded.
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generally speaking its accepted (whatever that means) in europe. well most of europe. berlin is ver accepting but when i was in poland not so long ago they where very homophobic. there was a gay rights march there a while back which ended in a total bloodbath after the people marching were attacked. they abandoned all future marches.
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the greeks love it.
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in some smaller towns and in the north of england especially its not as widely accepted, infact in some parts its considered beyond the pale but generally thats not the rule.
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Because they are really, really annoying people? I would have thought that was blindingly obvious. |
no idea. I've never asked.
(I hope this helps) |
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lol |
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i think homophobia [though I dont like the term, it dont believe people to have some uncontrolable fear of homosexuality, but for intents and purposes, it will do] is just like racism, it is the result of ignorance, isolation and lack of experience and exposure with homosexuality in general. People harbor racist stereotyps and beliefs commonly because they are rarely exposed to other "races" and so they sit in a kind of isolation where they dont have to confront any of their stereotypes with a dose of reality. This is the same with homosexuality, people are uncomfortable about it because they have not been exposed to it properly. Exposure is the key to confront and replace stereotyping. |
theres still a lot of religious people out there who are taught to believe homosexuality is wrong, so therefore, things will never change. i grew up in a town on cape cod in massachusetts which was subsequently the only republican conservative town in the state, or one of the few anyways. i have a gay uncle and a lesbian aunt anhd obviously it didnt bother me at all, some of the people i went to school with would assume that if you have a gay relative theres a greater chance of you being gay, thats how fucking stupid and fucking ignorant people were in my highschool!
my uncle's partner is actually one of the two producers of long running broadway show rent, jeffrey sellers. they are obviously a couple of millionaires, and have a guest apartment in nyc where i get to stay all the time, its rad. |
cape cod a religious conservative town? man i am in shock-- i always thought of provincetown as gay heaven.
ps- can i borrow your uncle? i mean-- i need a millionaire uncle with a ny apartment :D |
I don't mind what gay people do. Just not in my backyard.
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what about your backdoor? (yes, yes, you are joking, you are not a fascist, i know) but what about your backdoor? say ittttt. |
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But 'not in my backdoor' isn't an actual expression. I should have added this:  |
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I'm sure I can't be the only person who thinks stereotyping is really, really funny. In fact, if you don't think it's funny, it's because you're the sort of person who wears shit fleeces and smells of poo.
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no, but if they were exposed to homosexual people they might humanize homosexuals rather then demonize them. and with religious sentiments against homosexuality, that doesn't mean shit. there are religious restrictions against plenty of things which religious people have no problem ignoring, declining, or openly rejecting. I am thinking of the vengeful old testament God who has been replaced by Jesus, the friendly dude with long hair. |
Chappelle's Show was massively popular. I would think this would show that most people find stereotypes funny.
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well the thing is he made fun of the stereotypes themselves, not of people via the stereotypes, and that's why i think his show was pure fucking genius. |
Never judging a book by its cover should not stop us from laughing at the silliness of the covers we find ourselves in.
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true dat |
"I don't do drugs......just weed."
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I applaud the sentiment and all, but the good-natured cock-stroking political correctness of this thread is vomit-inducing.
Gays are fine. Now stop it. |
Greeks are Europeans, and they invented that shit.
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Yeah that's true actually.
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Did you too notice that the name of this thread should have asked if we are tolerated instead of being accepted? You might threaten me with the gas chamber, so I might as well call you cunt while you're doing so, inneee? |
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Nor does it register well in mine, still I find it naive when people think that homosexuality is widely accepted: It is not as much as you'd think. Same as when the oasis of female emancipation makes women think that certain rights and job positions make them serious contenders to the male role in this society. I'm not even coming from your proverbial cynical point of view, more from a brutally realistic one. In saying this, that shouldn't have to turn anyone into some gritty gay-militant bore or some annoying feminist, there are more effective and less irritating ways of winning rights. It's the society we live in, it's the hierarchy that is laid out because of its natural fabric, you can still win small victories and live comfortably in it. |
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provincetown is one cape town out of 11, and yes its 80 percent gay. |
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I'm not sure if I like the idea of treating a thread like this with anything other than withering disdain, but I'm just interested to see if my thoughts are similar to yours. I have a blind mate. I used to work with him. He's fucking useless. Nice chap, but he's fucking useless. Brain like a fucking sieve. Good laugh, mind you. Not in a 'I have a blind mate, aren't I uber-modern?' way. He's just good to sit about and have a natter about stuff. And he's got a fairly encylopedic knowledge of radio comedy. I have known other blind people (or any other minority you'd care to mention) who I just couldn't spend time with, for whatever reason. But this chap can't really do much, partially because he's blind, and partially because he's fucking useless. I know other people who are not blind. Some of these people are male, faintly middle-class, well educated and heterosexual. Most of these are fucking useless as well. So I think my point is, it doesn't really matter which minority you are, or, in fact, if you are a minority at all. If you're fucking useless you're fucking useless. Now, some people may feel that they are being discriminated against for being, broadly, any category of person that isn't white, male, heterosexual and middle-class. Which is a shame for them, and maybe they have a good point. Maybe the world does favour white male heterosexual middle-class people. Which is a shame. But I think we'd do well to remember that the overwhelming majority of people, where ever they come from, are probably entirely fucking useless. Some of them, in addition to being useless, are also a laugh, and I tend to foster these into my social life. NB - I am one such useless person. Hence the whole messageboard thing, but you're probably aware of that already. |
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oh you. |
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Yeah, but you are taking my post out of context and trying to give it some bigger political meaning that is not there in this case, at least that's the way I read it. Of course the majority of people are useless, does this even need to be refrained once more? That happens regardless of whatever colour, sex etc etc you happen to be, really, no need to point it out once more. To suggest that the uselessness of the majority of people is a cause for whatever social injustice might be inflected to *insert minority* in a mild or more violent way seems a little simplistic on a bigger scale, though. Homosexuality is still oulawed in certain countries, women are still seen as lesser creatures in others, and racism finds ever more complex ways to manifest itself, are you denying any of this? Are you in any way suggesting that the comfortable way in which you are able to think and articulate your thoughts is essentially only the work of an individualistic effort and not also the combined events that allowed you to do so? If your post is meant to be a dig at those who refuse to abandon political correctness, I am totally with you, then. When it comes to taking people at face-value, I tend to judge them only on merit, regardless of their misfortunes or fortunes etc etc. |
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Obviously there was a degree of prickishness about my post, and I'm not denying anything within your post. I think at base we agree, and the paradoxical reduction is that it's a very complicated argument. I wanted to emphasise the above - just because I could (potentially) make a very earnest argument about how I'm somehow above 'being a cunt towards the world', the truth of the matter is I'm not, and neither is no-one else. Earnest eschewing of negative aspects of society doesn't remove them, nor does it solve them. Gaah. Futile post. Gaaah. |
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Um, like, you mean the whole male population of England isn't enough to convince you? (With apologies to Pookie, but you know what I mean.) |
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