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xpressway2yrskull 05.26.2006 03:03 AM

Beach Boys vs. Beastie Boys
 
Who do you prefer? I'm just curious...

noumenal 05.26.2006 03:08 AM

The Beach Boys.

truncated 05.26.2006 03:44 AM

 

fishmonkey 05.26.2006 04:31 AM

i prefer the Beach.

Trasher02 05.26.2006 05:31 AM

beastie boys for sure.

alyasa 05.26.2006 05:41 AM

if i had to choose only one? beastie boys

truncated 05.26.2006 05:56 AM

I'm going to be shot for this.

If you're comparing 'experimental' to 'mainstream' (a generic and fallible comparison as it is, so take this all with a grain of salt), in many cases, producing something commercially successful is much more difficult to do.

If you cut away all the bullshit, experimental music is a license for free rein. You have no standards up to which your music is held, no precedents to follow, and no structure to adhere to. You can throw together any combination of sound and method and conceivably fall into the experimental category. Granted, some artists produce more aurally intriguing work than others, but by definition of 'experimental,' any asshole can say, "Right, this sounds weird, I'm like, creative 'n that."

You venture into popular music, and there are (albeit misguided at times) definitive standards and structures there. Very few artists churn out popular music that has substance enough to be both massively appealing and stand the test of time. While some of the elements that result in this - memorable lyrics, catchy bass lines, momentous guitar riffs, etc. - seem stock, it is in actuality quite difficult to make a truly "good" popular album. Think of how few rock, pop, and rap artists have longevity within their respective genres.

This is why I pick the Beastie Boys. Not only did they forge some serious new frontiers with 'white rap,' but they consistently put out good albums. They retained the core of their style, musically evolving over time without either straying too much from their roots or stagnating. They were and still are popular for all the right reasons, and this is an almost unheard of feat achieved by musicians, regardless of genre.

sonic sphere 05.26.2006 07:36 AM

the beach boys! i'm sorry to say i own most of their albums and have even seen them live with only mike love from the original line up! i should definitely be shot for this!

Unmade Bed 05.26.2006 09:16 AM

I'll go for the Beastie ones

xpressway2yrskull 05.26.2006 09:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sonic sphere
the beach boys! i'm sorry to say i own most of their albums and have even seen them live with only mike love from the original line up! i should definitely be shot for this!


You shouldn't be ashamed to be a fan of one of (if not THE) greatest pop acts ever.

DemonBox 05.26.2006 09:25 AM

I prefer the Beach Boys. Not because i dislike them Beastie Boys, Sabotage was one of the greatest songs of the 90's, but i just like The Beach Boys better.

Danny Himself 05.26.2006 09:48 AM

I can't compare them. I love them both.

finding nobody 05.26.2006 10:08 AM

beastie boys all the way

m^a(t)h 05.26.2006 10:36 AM

the beach boys,

surf > rap anyday....

noisemachine 05.26.2006 11:13 AM

Beach Boys! Pet Sounds is one of my all time favorite albums.

krastian 05.26.2006 02:07 PM

 

And I love the Beastie Boys!!!

noumenal 05.26.2006 03:17 PM

This one isn't even close.

acousticrock87 05.26.2006 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truncated
I'm going to be shot for this.

If you're comparing 'experimental' to 'mainstream' (a generic and fallible comparison as it is, so take this all with a grain of salt), in many cases, producing something commercially successful is much more difficult to do.

If you cut away all the bullshit, experimental music is a license for free rein. You have no standards up to which your music is held, no precedents to follow, and no structure to adhere to. You can throw together any combination of sound and method and conceivably fall into the experimental category. Granted, some artists produce more aurally intriguing work than others, but by definition of 'experimental,' any asshole can say, "Right, this sounds weird, I'm like, creative 'n that."

You venture into popular music, and there are (albeit misguided at times) definitive standards and structures there. Very few artists churn out popular music that has substance enough to be both massively appealing and stand the test of time. While some of the elements that result in this - memorable lyrics, catchy bass lines, momentous guitar riffs, etc. - seem stock, it is in actuality quite difficult to make a truly "good" popular album. Think of how few rock, pop, and rap artists have longevity within their respective genres.

This is why I pick the Beastie Boys. Not only did they forge some serious new frontiers with 'white rap,' but they consistently put out good albums. They retained the core of their style, musically evolving over time without either straying too much from their roots or stagnating. They were and still are popular for all the right reasons, and this is an almost unheard of feat achieved by musicians, regardless of genre.

I think you're right about pop music, but the Beach Boys certainly paved as much in the ways of music as the Beastie Boys did. Brian Wilson was pretty revolutionary, and with his come back he shows that it wasn't a temporary thing. I saw him recently on his first tour and it was impressive, to say the least.

hey alex 05.26.2006 04:06 PM

hard to say, but probably beach boys just for pet sounds. Though paul's boutiqe is my favorite rap album.

Hip Priest 05.26.2006 05:28 PM

The Beastie Boys because they have good morals, I prefer their music, and because, as truncated rightly hints, they refuse the pop music demon of languishing egoism.

i'm a guitar 05.26.2006 05:42 PM

beastie boys,,,,hiphop can have veeerryy intersting breaks,,,they use unusual rythms and sounds,,they are `brave`direct,,sarcastics,and chalengers

truncated 05.26.2006 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acousticrock87
I think you're right about pop music, but the Beach Boys certainly paved as much in the ways of music as the Beastie Boys did. Brian Wilson was pretty revolutionary, and with his come back he shows that it wasn't a temporary thing. I saw him recently on his first tour and it was impressive, to say the least.


I'm not saying the Beach Boys didn't make their mark, though I am slightly undecided as to how revolutionary Brian Wilson really was. While I'm certainly not doubting the worthiness of Pet Sounds, his 'creative epiphanies' sort of rode on the coattails of the experimental wave of the 60s.

That being said, the Beastie Boys, while original, weren't innovative deities - their job was simply harder. Music that falls into the pop category, or that becomes popular, has much more to answer for. Precisely because it has predecessors, relies upon structure, and is defined by its mass appeal, it has a whole set of standards it needs to adhere to to be considered 'successful' within its genre, that experimental music does not. For the Beastie Boys to have achieved this success, justly and guilelessly, and to have produced consistently quality music to date, is something that deserves kudos.

Plus they have a cooler name.

Toilet & Bowels 05.26.2006 07:11 PM

ummm... neither is a band i'm particularly in to. but i guess i like more beastie boys songs than beach boys. as far as hiphop goes though there lots of groups i like way more though. and the beatles shit on the beach boys.

acousticrock87 05.26.2006 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truncated

Plus they have a cooler name.

Fair enough.

krastian 05.26.2006 10:11 PM

When I think of the Beach Boys I don't usually think about Pet Sounds. I think about I Get Around, In My Room, Surfer Girl, 409, Don't Worry Baby, Be True To Your School etc etc etc.

Neongod 05.26.2006 10:22 PM

I choose oranges.

Everyneurotic 05.26.2006 10:56 PM

if there was no beach boys there would be no beastie boys.

both band's careers are similar, musicwise. they are the same archetype in different times and contexts.

both i'm not too fond of either one.

Toilet & Bowels 05.27.2006 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic
if there was no beach boys there would be no beastie boys.



that's probably complete nonsense


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