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Androol 06.07.2008 09:22 PM

What band has the all-time greatest catalog of music?
 
i.e. what is the greatest band of all time?

sonic youth

Cantankerous 06.07.2008 09:24 PM

lol no.

let me think about it and get back to oyou

Dead-Air 06.07.2008 09:28 PM

Sun Ra and the Arkestra. Sonic Youth is there for me in the "rock" band category though.

o'connor 06.07.2008 09:29 PM

you damn skippy!

Androol 06.07.2008 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead-Air
Sun Ra and the Arkestra.

I have to admit Ive never owned anything but loved everything Ive heard.

atsonicpark 06.07.2008 10:01 PM

As far as talking about bands with the most great moments of music, I'd say Sun City Girls or the Residents -- they have shit tons of releases and while not all are of top quality, they have so many releases that are filled with great songs that one could assemble all their best moments and easily have 25 full length cd's to listen to. This is cheating, but if you were to consider the Boredoms as a family (since each member has so many offshoot projects that are all incestuiously connected in different ways; see Shock City Shockers comp vol. 1 for examples of what I mean), they EASILY have the biggest volume of great music.... However, when talking about pure consistency, just straight-up having not a single bad spot in their catalogue, even after 13 or so albums/ep's (and a 3 disc limited rarities compilation), it seems pretty obvious to me: THINKING FELLERS UNION LOCAL # 282.


Things get a bit trickier when talking about people like Zorn or even Zappa (who I'm not 100% fond of, but it fits my example): they have so many releases just released under their own names that are great, but they're working with so many different musicians on each one that it could be considered different "bands" in a way. However, I guess when just talking about who has written the most amazing music, I could nominate Zorn.

I'd still say Thinking Fellers Union Local # 282 with a runner up being the Fall.

acdc518 06.07.2008 10:31 PM

Tom Waits, i think he's stayed consistently good throughout his career.
acid mothers temple? I think they've released 60 something albums since 1995

atsonicpark 06.07.2008 10:38 PM

OHHH, good call, acid mothers would be up there too as far as having many, many great albums.

I guess I could also say Derek Bailey, John Fahey (40+ albums; all amazing), etc.... though I am thinking of more of a band sense and trying not to list composers/improv artists/etc (even though I did list Zorn, who is a composer)...

Dead-Air 06.07.2008 10:51 PM

Other contenders for me would be Sun City Girls (agree with Adam) and Jandek.

atsonicpark 06.07.2008 10:54 PM

Oh yeah, I totally forgot Jandek! 90% of his catalogue is topnotch!!

I REALLY will have to question someone if they list either Wolf Eyes or Merzbow -- as someone who's heard probably 50-75% of both artist's catalogues, I can safely say that only about 1% of Wolf Eyes' (and about 25% of Merzbow's) releases are worth hearing... of the ones I've heard I mean.

Androol 06.07.2008 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atsonicpark
As far as talking about bands with the most great moments of music, I'd say Sun City Girls or the Residents -- they have shit tons of releases and while not all are of top quality, they have so many releases that are filled with great songs that one could assemble all their best moments and easily have 25 full length cd's to listen to. This is cheating, but if you were to consider the Boredoms as a family (since each member has so many offshoot projects that are all incestuiously connected in different ways; see Shock City Shockers comp vol. 1 for examples of what I mean), they EASILY have the biggest volume of great music.... However, when talking about pure consistency, just straight-up having not a single bad spot in their catalogue, even after 13 or so albums/ep's (and a 3 disc limited rarities compilation), it seems pretty obvious to me: THINKING FELLERS UNION LOCAL # 282.


Things get a bit trickier when talking about people like Zorn or even Zappa (who I'm not 100% fond of, but it fits my example): they have so many releases just released under their own names that are great, but they're working with so many different musicians on each one that it could be considered different "bands" in a way. However, I guess when just talking about who has written the most amazing music, I could nominate Zorn.

I'd still say Thinking Fellers Union Local # 282 with a runner up being the Fall.


I think below a certain level of quality the album should count negatively.

greatest "family tree" or "musician" doesnt count in this regard. Those are two other separate categories. Part of being the greatest band should be the ability to successfully work with the same people over long periods of time.

atsonicpark 06.07.2008 11:00 PM

Okay, I agree.

And even in the Fall's case, who have 20+ great albums by my estimations, Mark has worked with MANY different musicians to get to that point. Again, people will say, "Mark IS the Fall" -- but that also goes against the original point of this thread; it's about the best BAND... so...

as far as a band that pretty much always had the same members and never released a bad album... definitely Thinking Fellers Union Local # 282.

Androol 06.07.2008 11:02 PM

do you think sonic youth has ever released a bad album?

atsonicpark 06.07.2008 11:05 PM

Yeah, of course.

I don't really like Dirty (though it's really listenable to me, it's still too predictable and boring in my eyes), I don't like Rather Ripped at all, I don't think Nurse or Murray Street are that good (though Murray Street has some excellent tunes), I don't think Experimental Jet Set or Goo are that great (despite having some amazing songs), I don't like about half of the SYR's... and really I don't think "the Destroyed Room" is anything all that noteworthy.

I'd still say 75% or so of their catalogue is genius and they're amongst the greatest and their high moments are REALLY high...

but I'd still say TFUL#282 for consistency and greatness, with 100% albums being reccomended.

Androol 06.07.2008 11:07 PM

hmmm.....

Im also only counting 12 albums for tful282 as opposed to my combined estimation for sonic youth at 25

atsonicpark 06.07.2008 11:21 PM

Well, there are 12 actual albums but I thought there was a one-off single so that'd be 13, and there was also a sold-only-through-their-record-label limited edition rarity's comp that was 3 discs, not to mention a split with sun city girls where they both did caroliner covers.

atsonicpark 06.07.2008 11:21 PM

Oh, note the single had a lot of new material on it, so it was almost like a really short EP.

Anyway, I'd say the deciding factor is: 75% or so of Sonic Youth's albums are from good to great while I believe 100% of TFUL's albums are great. So, that's how I'd vote.

Cantankerous 06.07.2008 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Androol
do you think sonic youth has ever released a bad album?

yes, i do.



howlin' wolf never released a bad album (that i know of)
led zeppelin's discography is almost perfect except for in through the out door.

i will be slayed for saying this but i absolutely love every single album pink floyd released up to and including the wall. after that they weren't rly pink floyd anymore anyway.

Death & the Maiden 06.07.2008 11:50 PM

Ed Kuepper's catologue is amazing. The Saints in the 70's, Laughing Clowns in the 80's, The Aints in the 90's, and a solo career from 85 onwards. He has made more than 30 albums worth of music, and I don't think anything he has done is bad.

uhler 06.08.2008 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankerous
yes, i do.



howlin' wolf never released a bad album (that i know of)
led zeppelin's discography is almost perfect except for in through the out door.

i will be slayed for saying this but i absolutely love every single album pink floyd released up to and including the wall. after that they weren't rly pink floyd anymore anyway.


i thought you didn't like the syd barrett era.

uhler 06.08.2008 12:03 AM

that picture of blixa reminded me that einsturzende neubauten hasn't released a bad album yet. they have released a few so so albums but not a bad one.

Cantankerous 06.08.2008 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by uhler
i thought you didn't like the syd barrett era.

did i ever say that? no. i do like it, not nearly as much as when rw was leading them. it's mostly dismissable as novelty material.

fluxequalsrad 06.08.2008 02:41 AM

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BootsyGraham 06.08.2008 02:54 AM

Fugazi

Every album they have put out has been incredible.

John Frusciante, Parliament, Funkadelic

Androol 06.09.2008 12:31 PM

maybe king crimson

Rob Instigator 06.09.2008 12:38 PM

sonic youth
beatles

the only two that matter

Danny Himself 06.09.2008 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acdc518
Tom Waits, i think he's stayed consistently good throughout his career.


He gets better all the time :cool:

sarramkrop 06.09.2008 12:43 PM

Argos.

GrungeMonkey 06.09.2008 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Androol
maybe king crimson


eeww no

haha

in the court is good, and so was in the wake of poseidon, but most of the later stuff ive heard is complete gay wankery

Rob Instigator 06.09.2008 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrungeMonkey
eeww no

haha

in the court is good, and so was in the wake of poseidon, but most of the later stuff ive heard is complete gay wankery


and the good stuff is just plain wankery

Everyneurotic 06.09.2008 01:52 PM

king crimson > sonic youth.

sorry, it's just true.

Rob Instigator 06.09.2008 01:55 PM

ha!!!

make me laugh again!!!!

next you will say that frank zappa andthe mothers of invention are better than screeching weasel?

ha ha ha!

;)

Everyneurotic 06.09.2008 01:57 PM

ohh no, frank zappa sucks balls with the exception of weasels ripped my flesh.

Androol 06.09.2008 02:00 PM

however king crimson does seem to be stretching the bounds of what the criteria is for greatest band with regards to how fripp has been the only constant member by a large margin.

Everyneurotic 06.09.2008 02:00 PM

same argument as the fall.

Rob Instigator 06.09.2008 02:04 PM

yeah, so fuck the fall and king crimson

both of them

Androol 06.09.2008 02:06 PM

so do the rolling stones really have that many bad albums?

uhler 06.09.2008 02:07 PM

young marble giants have the best catalog since they only released one perfect album and a great ep and single. that's all a band needs to do.

uhler 06.09.2008 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Androol
so do the rolling stones really have that many bad albums?


about half of their catalog is bad, but the good ones are so good that they make up for the bad ones.

Derek 06.09.2008 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrungeMonkey
eeww no

haha

in the court is good, and so was in the wake of poseidon, but most of the later stuff ive heard is complete gay wankery

No no no.

In Court of the Crimson King is one of their worst, it was obvious that Robert Fripp didn't really have his ideas and visions concentrated at that point in time. The only good track is the first one. Yet it's one of the first prog albums so it's considered the greatest ever for some reason. In The Wake of Poseidon was pretty bad also, so was Islands.

Now 1974 was when the Crimson REALLY took off, Red is absolutely astounding and so is Larks Tongue In Aspic, another innovative masterpiece.

Leaving the 70's for a moment, King Crimson had a string of awesome albums throughout the 80s, while Beat isn't great, Three of a Perfect Pair is neat and Discipline is another masterpiece. THRAK and it's accompanying EP is good 90's Crimson and The Power To Believe is awesome Crimson from this decade so you are wrong.

Sorry, I am a fanboy. King Crimson have a stronger catalogue than Sonic Youth but I still prefer SY.


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