Over a hundred arrested today as protesters crash Moscow's first ever Gay Pride March
 

Yep, intolerance & hatred is not solely an American commodity. It's hard to believe it really 2006.

articles
http://smart.tin.it/rancinis/mosca27-05-06.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5023466.stm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052700451.html

A young nationalist protester, shouts out anti-gay slogans outside the Kremlin in Moscow, Saturday, May 27, 2006. Police and nationalist protesters forcefully prevented Russian and foreign gay and lesbian rights activists from rallying Saturday in Moscow, where they had hoped to put on a display of gay pride despite the city government's vehement refusal to grant permission for a parade. (AP Photo/Mikhail Metzel)


Member of the German Bundestag Volker Beck (C) is led away by Russian riot police during a gay rights protest near Red Square Moscow May 27, 2006. Russian police, militant Orthodox Christians and neo-fascists broke up a first ever gay rights march in Moscow on Saturday, but the homosexuals claimed their short-lived protest as a 'great victory'. REUTERS/Konstantin Koutsyllo





article & first hand account
http://www.ukgaynews.org.uk/Archive/2006may/2703.htm





MOSCOW, May 27, 2006 — The Mayor of Moscow said gay Pride would never happen while he was alive. He mobilised a quarter of the Moscow police, over 1,000 officers, to prevent the gay parade. Despite all his efforts, lesbian and gay Russians — and their international supporters — gathered by the Kremlin in Manezhnaya Square.
We were immediaely set-upon by about 100 facist thugs and religious fanatics who began pushing, punching and kicking us.
They snatched flowers out of our hands and abused us with chants of ‘No sodomy in Moscow’ and ‘Put the pederasts on the iron’ and ‘Russia is not Sodom’. We were pushed and carried like corks on a sea of fascist pushing and shoving.
Russian gay leader Nikolai Alekseev was arrested and put in a police van. The rest of us were forced out of Manezhnaya Square by lines of militia and police. Some individual protestors were surrounded, abused and attacked by gangs of fascisits.
Most of us re-assembled on the edge of Manezhnaya Square. Groups of roaming neo-Nazis stormed around the square looks for gays and lesbians to attack. We had to look inconspicuous to avoid being beaten.
Then, some of the fascists threw tear gas canisters and formed a line with the police to block our exit from Manezhnaya Square. A group of about 15 of us assembled and left by a different exit.
We then made our way throught the backstreets to the Yuri Dolgoruky monument where Moscow Gay Pride was due to reassemble and cross the road to city hall, where we were going to stage our protest for gay rights and against the the Mayor’s ban.
At the monument we met up with another 20 LGBT protestors. They had been attacked by fascists, but by the time we arrived the helmeted riot police had pushed them back into the Tverskaya Street.
Soon after reassembling at the monument, another line of riot police came and drove us out of the square, straight into an oncoming posse of fascists.
Fortunately, we were all in ones and twos — and they didn’t recognised us. Most of us got split up, but 15 of us managed to reassemble at the nearby Bar Gogol.
This first Moscow Pride took place, but not as we had planned it — thanks to the combined opposition of Mayor Yuri Luzhkov and the neo-Nazis. The Mayor’s homophobia created the atmosphere which gave a green light to the fascists to attack the Moscow Pride participants. The anti-gay violence and intimidation we experienced shows precisely why Moscow Pride is necessary.
The repression of a handful of lesbian and gay protestors signifies the fear and weakness of the Russian state. We had a moral and political victory, forcing the Moscow authorities to unleash forces of repression comparable with the bad old days of the Soviet era.
It is a back-handed compliment that the Moscow Mayor regards gay people as such a threat that we have to be banned and suppressed,’ said Mr. Tatchell

Get a life fuckers.

i don't speak about this issue

Then shut up.

i just know nothing about gay people cause i have never had a gay friend or known a gay person. so i don't know what they are like, therefore i don't talk about it cause i know nothing.

and yes being gay is not allowed in my religion but that has nothing to do with it cause i don't think it's allowed in any religion

Laila, don't type. Ever.

That's ridiculous. It isn't as bad as those stupid fucking funeral protestors though.

*Shakes head

*Throws up all over monitor

I should add this. I am gay but I use the word 'fag' alot along with numerous other slurs against gay people. I don't really care. I just think protesting it no matter how wrong you think it is is completely stupid, not to mention pointless.

I like guys. You can't change that by saying 'God hates fags' and besides, I'm probably a way better christian than the majority of these people judging others and being complete idiots.

(What's so funny 'bout)Peace, Love and Understanding?

As I walk through
This wicked world
Searchin' for light in the darkness of insanity.

I ask myself
Is all hope lost?
Is there only pain and hatred, and misery?

And each time I feel like this inside,
There's one thing I wanna know:
What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding? Ohhhh
What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding?

And as I walked on
Through troubled times
My spirit gets so downhearted sometimes
So where are the strong
And who are the trusted?
And where is the harmony?
Sweet harmony.

'Cause each time I feel it slippin' away, just makes me wanna cry.
What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding? Ohhhh
What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding?

So where are the strong?
And who are the trusted?
And where is the harmony?
Sweet harmony.

'Cause each time I feel it slippin' away, just makes me wanna cry.
What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding? Ohhhh
What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding? Ohhhh
What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding?

i not trying to say anything religious in this this thread. i only added that thing about religion cause i was asked. and i don't think it's cause of my religion that i don't know gay people, it's probably because of where i live. Not many gay people around here, so i'm not going to have too much of an opinion on something that i have never been exposed too. but i did read what atari posted, and i don't think that telling someone not to be gay is going to change their mind, so i never understood why people even bother saying it.

I wasn't talking about or to you at all.

to quote Savage Clone the other day, "fair enough"

i've known cool gay people & uncool gay people

they are people just like anyone else

i was just responding to your post in general not exactly directly to you, so chill out.

Then don't quote me.

i'll quote you if i want, you seem to have a knack for it yourself

Yes, idiot, but when I quote people I talk about the post. I don't randomly quote somebody and then start going off on something completely unrelated.

Laila, do you have any books on Sufism?

it was related. are you blind? you basically said that telling someone that it's a sin to be gay isnt' going to change them and i agreed. i really don't know why you are arguing.

no atari i don't. what's that?

So, my cat got caught in the dryer...

now that is definetley unrelated. and what's with your signature anyway?

It is a poem by a great poet. Maybe you've heard of him?

read about sufism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism

read some Rumi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi


Sufism::Islam as Taoism::Confucianism

Mohammed himself would undoubtably be in the Sufi camp these days.

Shi'ite fundamentalists persecute & have nearly eradicated Sufis.

The primary reason given is that Sufism does not condemn homosexuality.

The real reason is they have primitive old world minds, their children are brainwashed from about age four to have allegiance only to the tribe & treat all non-tribe members as heathen animals; (they consider it a favor & their godly duty to kill them) & it's all about a battle over oil resources & money. People are used as resources, as pawns, to carry out a hateful agenda. It's an age-old formula for control: create a wedge issue & divide & conquer.

I support extermination of all Shi'ite leaders. Too bad this is politically not feasible because our double-dealing leaders have been in bed with those hatemongers for over a generation.

I know you are young & are not familiar with the history of Islam completely. It is a beautiful religion, but politics has corrupted it, just as in Christianity & Judaism.

Please, fundementalism is fundementalism. Do you honestly believe if George Bush had been born a muslim, he would have preached love and tolerance? He would have been first in line to screw HaydenAsche(figuratively speaking).

I think is wrong for the protesters to get arrested. I am Pro-gay so I therefore am in full support of gay marriages and rights.

well what is sufism? i don't understand. i have been muslim all my life and have never heard this term. and i am shia so i guess that you want to kill me too? sorry to hear that. so are you saying that you are more farmiliar with islam than me? Islam is a religion that promotes love and peace not hate. it pisses me off that these damn terrorist are making us look like we are crazy cause if you have ever met a muslim in america they are just normal people who don't hate anyone.

I think he specifically means the ones who do hate the Sufis, not all Shi'ites in general.

okay well i think atari edited his post a little bit before i could read all of it. right atari?

Sufism is about the beauty of Islam

Sufism is older than Islam.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:_gGYsZO6NRIJ:reluctant-messenger.com/sufi.htm+Mohammed+sufi&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

not all Shi'ites are bad. they are people, after all. but unfortunately, most are brainwashed beyond hope of redemption. they've lived in a society & culture (for generations upon generations) where their actions & thoughts are controlled under penalty of death.

I mean every Shi'ite cleric, regardless of rank & all governmental Shi'ite leaders throughout the world.

i see. are you farmiliar with this term as a muslim? cause i have never heard it before.

must have been deemed too dangerous. the fact that you don't even know where your religion came from is a bad sign.

My friends here hang out with people from Indonesia, America, Brunei, New Zealand, Australia, all over the place; they're muslim for the most part, and they had been egging me to read a book about sufism, saying it's very philosophical and it's about the beauty and love of Islam. Sad to say, I have not yet read it.... :(

i know the history of my religon very well. perhaps i have heard of sufism but in another language. i'm pretty sure about that.

perhaps you have, but ultimately, i'm sorry, but you don't know the history well enough.
case in point:
you just demonstrated that the term "sufism" was like greek to you. again, i realize that you are young.

i actually meant to type that i took you off my ignore list in one of the previous posts. it crossed my mind, i promise. i took you off the list a few days ago when AssBlaster was writing all that obscene stuff about you. i thought it was bullshit.

everything i'm writing is true. research it for yourself.

i think it's refreshing that you have discipline & morals. you're gonna have a better life for it.

i am surprised in a sense, however, that your parents let you have a computer alone in your room though. they must somewhat cool.

hahah i guess. pretty much everyone i know has a computer and most of them have them in their rooms. geez do you think that we are like all cut off from civilization? haha cute! anyways no my parent's are not cool, they are very strict but not crazy. actually, whenever i think that i'm going to get in really big trouble for something i did that was really bad, they hardley get mad. but they yell at me really bad for stupid small stuff. i dunno, they are weird.

and i must insist that i do know about my religion more than you. i said that islam teaches love and peace, and that's like all islam is about, just because i haven't heard the term sufism doesn't mean that i don't know it. I'm telling you i know like 3 languages and most muslims don't speak the same language. i know i have heard of sufism, but just as a different term. and just like people refer to muslims only as shias and sunnis, there are thousands of different muslims but you never hear about them.

TRUST ME!

well, they are americanized muslims so they are more liberal. but it's just wrong that you haven't been exposed to sufism, which is the true islam.

taoism laid it all down some ten thousand years b.c.

sufism, which begat islam, is like the middle easten version of taoism that spread to the persian gulf. taoism also begat buddhism, which in turn, along with sufism begat new testament christianity through trade routes in the ancient old world.

the judaist & islam powers-that-be resisted christianity & sufism because it would cause the people to have the power & equal rights which is a threat to their control. judaism & islam are both supremely outdated philosophies of life & religions.

That's a very interesting theory... I had never heard that Buddishm had been the forerunner of New Testament Christianity... Care to share with us a bit about this? A link perhaps?

yeah i know that all religions are just branches of one original teaching.

and i am half american. well scottish to be exact. that's why i look white. so my mom is alot more liberal than my dad, but usually people who convert to a new religion are more religious than the people who are born into it.

The apocryphal book of The Gospel of St. Thomas that has been supressed for ages is your proof. It predates the other four gospels & is not included in any Holy Bible. It's the missing link, as it were.

John the Baptist maligns Thomas as "the doubter" in his account as you may know. Maybe that's because Thomas knew too much. At any rate, philosophy, & indeed any real belief & true faith, must begin with doubt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas

alas, wiki isn't philosophically up-to-date.

I know you meant an internet "link" haha. Only truth lovers like myself get the big picture. It's not exactly common knowledge, but there is scholarly material. I'll have to research it.

Marco

Polo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo

Marco

Polo