british post punk late 70s early 80s
 

in your opinion, what are the 10 best british post punk albums ever recorded? thats right folks, another list.

1. the pop group-ys
2. this heat-deceit
3. public image ltd-metal box
4. joy division-unknown pleasures
5. wire-154 (definitley a post punk album, pink flag and chairs missing are post punk blueprints for sure, but more punk)
6. the fall-hex enduction hour
7. the killing joke-whats this for...!
8. joy division-closer
9. siouxie and the banshees-juju
10. the fall-this nation's saving grace/gang of 4-entertainment!

Nice list, batreleaser. I'd also include The Slits' "Cut" and Throbbing Gristle's "Heathen Earth" too.

Post-punk in the late 70's/early 80's?
That's way to early.

The genre/label appeared later ( with Slint maybe ).

How d'you work that out?

Punk in the UK was dead and buried by '78

Maybe.
But I think that none of the bands in batreleaser list ever called themselves "post-punk" , and that the term wasn't used before the mid 80's.

it was used by journalists as early as '78, to describe everything from the police to p.i.l.

Show it please.

Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
The Psychedelic Furs - The Psychedelic Furs
Test Dept - Beating The Retreat
Throbbing Gristle - D.O.A.
Coil - Scatology
Psychic TV - Force the Hand of Chance
Bauhaus - In The Flat Field
Blancmange - Happy Families
23 Skidoo - The Culling is Coming
Nurse With Wound - Homotopy To Marie

if UK punk was dead and buried by '78 (i sorta agree on that), then "london calling" should definitely be on the post-punk list.

A-hem.

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Doesn't make it into my top 10.

These are all fantastic albums to which I continue to listen 30 years on! I would say that the fall-this nation's saving grace wasn't really postpunk, and more appropriately #10 would be something by Membranes or Bauhaus. The Slits were an original 76 London punk band even if their sound wasn't that 1-2-3- generic sound. I think I like postpunk more than punk if I had to make a choice one way or another.

i read an interview with sonic youth where they said that when they first came out they were refered to as post-punk

"improve article", it doesn't mean it's not true or that's going to be deleted.

i don't have nme magazines from '78.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Image_Limited
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_%28band%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pop_Group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_Of_Four_%28band%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_%28band%29

gualbert is think of the "post rock" label, not "post punk".

1980 article from Rolling Stone, written by Greil Marcus. "It's Fab, It's Passionate, It's Wild, It's Intelligent! It's the Hot New Sound of England Today!" Article talks about Gang of Four, Raincoats, Essential Logic etc. First paragraph:

"'Don't romanticize it,' Geoff Travis said to me. Travis is the founder of Rough Trade, the U.K.'s most important and adventurous independent record company. He was talking about Britain's postpunk pop avant-garde, of which Rough Trade is a vital center - or perhaps the only center."

http://www.amazon.com/Rip-Up-Start-A...42009&sr= 1-1
http://www.amazon.com/No-Wave-Post-P...42009&sr= 1-2

he must be thinking godspeed you black emperor was one of the first post punk bands.

Yeah , I'm a bit mixed-up between the two ( I never use them ).
Anyway , Joy Division is sometimes labeled cold wave , new wave , gothic , bat cave , industrial rock , etc. , no need to add post punk.
They're just post-labeled.:D

yeah, hahahaha; i was thinking "damn! i'm making a point about a sub sub genre".

i wouldnt call either coil or throbbing gristle anyything close to post punk. both are too extreme. throbbing gristle for one thing was making music befote punk even, and were industrial to the core. i can see how one might call coil post punk because it could be argued that they would not have been able to exist prior to punk, but there music sounds nothing like punk whatsoever. the only thing they share in common with even the most experimental post punk bands like the pop group and pil is being experimental. their music borders on industrial, noise, dark ambient, drone, and a buncha other extreme genres. they rule anyways.


i shoul have included gang of four-entertainment!, all put that tied at 10.

speaking of the pop group, theres a fantastic cover article about mark stewart in the new issue of wire.

Yeah, that was something I did consider when doing my post. I decided to say "include 'em", because I do feel they had such a big impact on the post-punk scene in the UK. For me, TG are THE influential band of the "punk" era after the Sex Pistols. But in the scope of "post punk" guitar-based music, you're right. Gawd, this is so confusing to me!

you pretty much nailed my list except i wouldn't have included the fall and i would've taken out the heat for the raincoats or swell maps.

Sorry, I didn't realise we were limiting ourselves to 'guitar based' bands.

Although... TG were a guitar based band in the late 70's and early eighties. They just played them unconventionally and used alot of treatment on the sounds. And not all of their stuff was extreme. 'Shadow Of The Sun' is almost ambient.

I would say that Cabaret Voltaire's 'Voice of America' is a post punk album, but both the Cabs and TG had been working on their music since the early 70's - before punk happened.

So I guess they would be 'pre-punk - post punk'

^^^The Cabs are most certainly punk full stop - they got beaten up by the local meatheads at their first gig, because they were expecting Status Quo. Good for the Cabs, say I (great call on "Voice Of America" too - der der der der OB-SE-SSION!)

Never mind the genres....

1 - Alternative TV - Image Has Cracked
2 - TV Personalities - And Don't The Kids Love It
3 - Pil - Metal Box
4 - Monochrome Set - Strange Boutique
5 - Alternative TV - Vibing Up The Senile Man
6 - Zounds - Curse Of The Zounds
7 - Lemon Kittens - Spoonfed and Writhing
6 - Mark Perry - Snappy Turns
8 - Wire - Pink Flag
9 - Half Man Half Biscuit - Back In The DHSS
10 - Alive In the living room compilation.

^^^Back In The DHSS was the first "indie" LP I ever heard, and I've not looked back...."I-Hate-Nerys_Hughes!!!"

Saw HMHB a few months back they done a great version of this - www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxROJY-FM8&feature=related
hope this links right!

Er not that one mayb - put Paintball's Coming Home into u tube and u'll find it !

the raincoats
echo & the bunnymen
the fall
the chameleons (are they post punk? fuck it, i like them)

Cantanky - you like The Fall? Fuck yeah! What's your fave LP by them?

I won't do ten, but for me the most important were

The Fall
PIL
Throbbing Gristle
New Order

Correct on both counts. The Bunnymen are astounding, in fact, as are the Chameleons.

Echo & the Bunnymen - Crocodiles
Public Image Ltd - First Edition and Metal Box
The Slits - Cut
The Gang of Four - Entertainment
Wire - Pink Flag
The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace

1. Metal Box
2 & beyond. Everything else.

In no order of preference:

Joy Division - Unknown pleasures
Siouxse & The Banshees - Juju
The Cure - Faith / Pronography / Disintegration
The Cocteau Twins - Treasure
Echo & The Bunnymen - Crocodiles
Elvis Costello & The Attractions - My aim is true
The Smiths - Hatful of hollow

There might also be Bauhaus but I know the songs on compilations or live more than the albums.

i'm partial to hex enduction hour and the wonderful and frightening world of the fall

Yeah, I always think that one gets a bit forgotten about. 'Lay of the Land' is one of my all-time favourite Fall songs, period.

Resounding YES! Since post-punk is not anything but thin air, Coil are totally a post-punk band and one of the best things to happen to the world ever. I do love a lot of the ones listed on this thread, though.

not that all of their albums around that time weren't good, because they were. but i really like that one.