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hansjoakim 08.05.2008 08:51 AM

The live album that works
 
for some reason, i'm always a tad skeptic when it comes to live albums. i often feel it's a way of avoiding the obvious "greatest hits" compilations, but still making sure the ca$$$h flows in. i love good audience recordings of gigs, and listen to lots of them; mostly i find those more enjoyable than "proper", officially released live records (which tend to be formulaic run throughs of hits).

however, the exception for me, is when it comes to jazz. live jazz albums absolutely rock my socks off, and i often find myself loving live jazz albums more than the studio recordings. there's something about the nature of the music and the musicians that make jazz, that really sets this genre apart, in my opinion.

what do you lot reckon?

batreleaser 08.05.2008 09:02 AM

you may be partially right, but in a lot of cases, the live record is the best thing a band had done. the first thing that pops in my mind is hawkwind-space ritual. at the time of that performance/record, they were a perfect band. and when i say perfect i mean that they had a certain aesthetic, or ideas or whatever, and they fully realized those ideas. space ritual is a fucked up extravagant spectacle psychedelic hallucinatory masterpiece. just an amazing record.

others that come to my mind:
the contortions-soul exorcism
70s miles-live evil
wolf eyes and anythony braxton-black vomit

afterthefact 08.05.2008 09:02 AM

There is usually a good explaination for that. Most jazz musicians are skilled at improv. They can go nuts on their instrument playing completely different than their studio albums and they can make it sound good. A lot of rock bands, even if they are very talented, don't possess the same skill when it comes to improvising. This isn't always the case of course, for rock or for jazz, but its tends to be more often than not.

atsonicpark 08.05.2008 09:03 AM

I dunno, I don't really like live albums, even if it's a band I really like. Well.. It's not so much about not liking it, it's more so it's hard to get excited for them.

But yeah sure I pretty much agree with what afterthefact said.

Death & the Maiden 08.06.2008 02:50 AM

Ramones - It's Alive is my favourite live album, but it is a sort of best of from their first three albums.

SonicBebs 08.06.2008 03:02 AM

Spiritualized at the Albert Hall is one of my favourite records ever

As for the Jazz thing, Jazz is all about the feeling the player gets from the piece. That feeling is intesified when its live on stage with an audience and the rush of a improv collaboration with your band when it goes fucking awsome.
Studios can drain alot of passion out of a performance when its sterile

fugazifan 08.06.2008 03:24 AM

kick out the jams motherfuckers!

Derek 08.06.2008 05:19 AM

Live albums aren't very interesting.

ZEROpumpkins 08.06.2008 05:21 AM

Any band that improv's live is pretty interesting. Bands that just play the same song the same way live are for fans only.

Onani Nic 08.06.2008 06:37 AM

Cheap Trick - Live In Budokan
Kiss - Alive I & II

batreleaser 08.06.2008 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fugazifan
kick out the jams motherfuckers!


haha, oh yeah, duh, how the fuck did everyone forget that. prolly the best live album ever.

others i really like:
sun city girls-live from planet boomerang, live from the land of the rising
AMM-live
john fahey-live in tasmania
albert ayler-live in europe 64-66
coltrane-live at the village vanguard
james brown-live at the apollo
the gerogerigegege-live greatest hits
pink floyd-unmagumma, live at pompeii
incapacitants-live incapacitants
art ensemble of chicago-live at mendel hall
les rallizes denudes-live 77, OZ days live
gg allin-banned in boston
electro hippies-live
sutcliffe jujend-live assault
the blue humans-live new york, live london
oblivians-live in atlanta
the slits-live at the gilbus club
the greatful dead-live at the filmore east
syr8
kiss-alive, alive 2
nervous gender-live at target
laundry room squelchers-live recordings
scraping teeth-live recordings
flipper-blow n chunks
enema syringe-live at no fun 07
bob brozman-live now
taj mahal travellers-live stockholm 1971, july 15 1972, august 1974
lounge lizard-live 79-81
friction-live 1980
black flag-live 84
UT-live
rhys chatham-guitar trio is my life
diskaholics anonymous trio-live in japan, live in japan 2
yximaloo-live
melt banana-13000 miles at light velocity
derek bailey-the london concert
fred frith-live in japan
harry pussy-live fuck love songs
nihilist spasm band-live in japan
rorshach-live in italy
anthony braxton-circle: paris concert
fransisco lopez-live in san fran
neil young-live rust
smegma-live at no fun
septic death-time is the boss
kaoru abe-solo live at gaya
peter brotzzman-live in nerfetti
high rise-live
ground zero-live in tokyo



whoa, fuck, got a little carried away there

batreleaser 08.06.2008 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ZEROpumpkins
Any band that improv's live is pretty interesting. Bands that just play the same song the same way live are for fans only.


so phish is interesting? mars volta?

theres plenty of bands that spend thier time on stage noddling around improvising to the point where all you wanna do is go on stage and beat the shit out of every musician playing. to say "any band that improvises live is interesting" is the biggest stretch ive heard in a long time. id rather listen to the descendents back in the day play every song note for note from the record, than i would watch the mars volta go on for 36 minutes with some pointless sounds. it all depends on what the band is good at.

Danny Himself 08.06.2008 08:41 AM

 

Nighthawks At The Diner, Tom Waits

Tom, the band and the audience are all great on this one, it really showcases his impeccable live act.

Rob Instigator 08.06.2008 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by batreleaser
so phish is interesting? mars volta?

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phish is amazing, way better live imporvs than santana

mars volta? don;t really like the prog.

Rob Instigator 08.06.2008 09:12 AM

some live albums are genius, and capture a band at a time when they just fucking rule all.

however, most live albums are anything BUT live. they overdub the guitar solos, they add canned audience sounds, they clean up the vocal tracks and such. it is all a load of shit really

best live albums ever are

NEIL YOUNG AND CRAZY HORSE

LIVE RUST
 


RUST NEVER SLEEPS
 


I love them because you can hear all trhe "mstakes" and the shitjust blows me away.

LIKE A HURRICANE on LIVE RUST contaions the chunkiest most skronkariffic crashing chords I ahve ever heard. they sound like an airliner crashing to the ground.

noisereductions 08.06.2008 09:13 AM

I think Nirvana's Unplugged album is my favorite live album ever. Call me a square or obvious or whatever. But it is f'ing great, and I still listen to it often.

demonrail666 08.06.2008 09:13 AM


 



 


 

MellySingsDoom 08.06.2008 09:14 AM

My favourite live album is John Coltrane's "Live At The Village Vanguard Again!" - completely monstrous and insane verions of "My Favourite Things" and "Naima" - it was also the first Coltrane album I ever bought...

 

Savage Clone 08.06.2008 09:16 AM

Electric Prunes - Radio Stockholm 1968

Better by far than any of their studio LPs.

pbradley 08.06.2008 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Himself
 

Nighthawks At The Diner, Tom Waits

Tom, the band and the audience are all great on this one, it really showcases his impeccable live act.

I've been looking for this on vinyl for a while.


Also I think Radiohead's live album is better than a lot of their studio albums.

mangajunky 08.06.2008 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fugazifan
kick out the jams motherfuckers!


you've brought a smile to my face - even if my vinyl version says "Brothers and Sisters"
What a first album!

Also - some of the best Zappa stuff is from live recordings.
He would also take intrument tracks from live recordings and build studio tracks around them especially if he like a particular solo or performance.

Danny Himself 08.06.2008 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbradley
I've been looking for this on vinyl for a while.


Also I think Radiohead's live album is better than a lot of their studio albums.


Tom on vinyl is near impossible to find, at least here in Liverpool. Just buy the CD.

gmku 08.06.2008 11:25 AM

Wow, there are a lot of live albums I like. Can't think of one I own that I have a problem with really, aside from Love You Live by the Stones, which has 3 sides of the most awful 70s stadium rock you'll ever hear and one absolutely dazzling side, the El Mocambo side, of great club band rock.

Rob Instigator 08.06.2008 11:50 AM

the doors alive she cried is real hit or miss

should have been a double album

afterthefact 08.06.2008 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Himself
 

Nighthawks At The Diner, Tom Waits

Tom, the band and the audience are all great on this one, it really showcases his impeccable live act.


GREAT live album. Wish I owned it.

atsonicpark 08.06.2008 12:15 PM

Number Girl have lots of great live albums. Even more distorted and better sounding than any of their full lengths.

gmku 08.06.2008 12:16 PM

My favorite is a boot called Nasty Music by the Stones. Covers the 72 American and 73 European tours.

Next would probably be some VU boots.

radarmaker 08.06.2008 12:25 PM


 

noisereductions 08.06.2008 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mangajunky

Also - some of the best Zappa stuff is from live recordings.
He would also take intrument tracks from live recordings and build studio tracks around them especially if he like a particular solo or performance.



Wow, did I just find another Zappa fan on this board? Usually when I bring him up on here ppl don't even respond. ha!

Danny Himself 08.06.2008 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterthefact
GREAT live album. Wish I owned it.


Do they not make it anymore or something? I got my copy in a Zavvi clearance sale for about £5.

mangajunky 08.06.2008 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noisereductions
Wow, did I just find another Zappa fan on this board? Usually when I bring him up on here ppl don't even respond. ha!


see this thread:

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/showthread.php?t=23955

Rob Instigator 08.06.2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by radarmaker


 



really?

I have had this for years and years and it always bores me. I don't sell it cuz no one wants to buy it/

Crumb's Crunchy Delights 08.06.2008 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbradley
I've been looking for this on vinyl for a while.


Also I think Radiohead's live album is better than a lot of their studio albums.

i agree

Torn Curtain 08.06.2008 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Quote:

Originally Posted by radarmaker



 


really?

I have had this for years and years and it always bores me.


Seconded, the record is filled with boring guitar solos.

Torn Curtain 08.06.2008 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

 


'Ummagumma' has been one of my favorite live albums over the years. Technically, it's a split live / studio album, but the live side was my first introductions to: Astronomy Domine & Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun.


Yes, the live side of Ummagumma is brilliant.

Sonic Youth 37 08.06.2008 05:29 PM

I best live album is Live at the Old Waldorf by Television. Recorded in 1978. I challenge you to find any that sounds/is better.

fugazifan 08.06.2008 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Himself
 

Nighthawks At The Diner, Tom Waits

Tom, the band and the audience are all great on this one, it really showcases his impeccable live act.

i believe that this is not a live album but a studio album made to sound live. i think he brought people to the studio to be like audiance members.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighthawks_at_the_diner
still an amazing album.
its a great album to put on after a long night of drinking

HaydenAsche 08.06.2008 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by radarmaker

 


God, I wanna fuck Lou Reed 40 years ago.

radarmaker 08.06.2008 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
really?

I have had this for years and years and it always bores me. I don't sell it cuz no one wants to buy it/


Well, I fucking love it. So nerr.

Torn Curtain 08.07.2008 01:22 PM

 


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