heroin
 

ive seen some posts here recently referring to heroin. and im wondering could someone with some knowledge on the subject help clear up a few questions about it.

i dont completly understand the nature of addiction to heroin. say you became addicted and kicked it - after you have kicked it do you have any cravings for it at all?

is it possible to get on heroin, kick it and then never go on it again for the rest of yr life?

how easy is it to resist the temptation to get back on it after you have kicked it?

i know its linked to dopamine, would that mean it would be almost impossible for a schizophrenic to kick it and stay clean?

if anyone can enlighten me i would much appreciate it. ive never tried heroin, but knowing me its something i probably might do at some point.

thanks.

i dont know anything about heroin. but ive read, once you're hooked - you're hooked on it for the rest of your life.

don't do drugs or drugs will DO you.

yeah, you have cravings for anything you get addicted to and quit. it's like quitting smoking or whatever, you'll still have cravings because if you get addicted to anything...food, sex, drugs, cigs, your brain becomes permanently wired to be an addict.
it is possible to kick a smack habit and never do it again but it would take a very strong willed person to manage something like that. the majority of those who get addicted to it and quit don't stay clean forever.
i have no clue about the dopamine thing.
hope this helps.

don't even fucking try.

who the fuck are you talking to?

haha chill. I'm talking to ni'k.

just checking

yeah i honestly wouldn't advise doing heroin because sooner or later it will probably come back and bite you in the ass. quitting isn't the bitch, staying off the shit is.

ni'k, you should totally post yr thread there

http://www.theantidrug.com/Advice/chronicles-forum.aspx

I've taken methadone, which is used to ween people off of heroin. It's uh... pretty overwhelming as a drug. I don't reccomend it.

Heroin addiction is a very very terrible thing. It deprives your brain receptors of their natural dopamine, actually overloading them with the synthetic opiates, so much that heavy users have sever damage to those receptors in their brain,, so even after the quit they suffere from a lot of issues, from sleeplessness to hallucinations to seizures sometimes.
kicking any habit is difficult, but with heroin, it is actually doable in a short span of time. kicking cigarretes is simple, you stop buying them and stop smoking them. the wtihdrawls are bad, but nothing like heroin withdrawls as your brain is literally starving for the dopamie and other neurological chemicals your brain stopped making. your body will spasm, tweakeing itself into pain and terrible headaches. with cigarretes it is mainly headaches, tension, irritability, all things one can cope with

with heroin or any opiate, it is much more intense. Miles Davis went to his dad's farm, asked his dad to lock him up in one of the farm house's rooms, and feed him once a day until he felt he had kicked it. it took him some weeks, but he never went near heroin again. he said the worst pain he had ever felt was in those weeks, locked away howling in agony.

he was a HEAVY user.
it is different for all people.

eric clapton was a functioning junkie for the past 30 years and only just quit for good late last year.

sadly, if you have the money and the support group around you, you can be a junkie for life and get by, with near minimal ill effects, compared to methamphetamine or crack coaine addiction, which wastes you away little by little.

that is why the rich have never stopped using heroin.

heroin withdrawal sucks ass but it's not nearly how they make it out to be in the media. it's like having the worst flu of your life.


heh heh

that's for light to moderate users cantank.

for the heavy addicts, it is almost as bad as portrayed.

have YOU ever been addicted to heroin?

no thanks. I have had two friends though, one commited suicide after trying to kick twice. another has only now begun to fix his life, after years of dirfting/homelessness.

the media overplay it to strike fear into the kids, of course.

haha there we go. I knew this thread would light the fire.

GO!

oh great, well i have. maybe i can handle myself better than most people.

haha, you bad(dumb)ass

Many can, cantank. some peope just have the horse become their only reason for existing. those are what I call the "heavy" users, you know? the far gone ones.

I am glad you are not one of those.

i quit. and i only quit because i was going overseas and didn't want to
a) get arrested in the airport
b) get sick on the way over
c) get arrested overseas

i also didn't do it for ten fucking years like a lot of people.

you're so practical(iar)

drugs are overated. stick to something more hip and more cool, like stamp collecting. i mean come on, you've got a brain

heh

man, you're gonna get kicked in the ass.:eek:

crumb always stirs up shit.

if he wants to try and start shit, let him. he's like twelve.

I think Rob handled the physiology aspect well, but this is something you really don't want to mess with. I don't think I could resist it. Burroughs wrote that doing a shot of heroin for the first time was like having an orgasm through your whole body. As wonderful as that is, he also relates you then spend the rest of your life trying fruitlessly to hit that spasm again. He also relates people who were addicts for years and maintained fine until the supply would run out - or the pigs would bust them - then their whole lives collapsed.

I think the worst aspect of the drug these days are the fucking low life dirtbag scummers you have to deal with to get the drug. The purity is real good.

I'm predicting a massive wave of heroin to hit the US if Obama gets elected. The Bushies have been hording tons of dope in Afghanistan since the occupation began and I predict they'll flood the inner cities with it, like they did in the 60's. You talk to people from the time and they'll tell you how the dealers used to give it away free to get people hooked. No one in their right mind wants to be a dopefiend. I had a friend in college who got raped by his dealers when he owed them money. Ugliness.

Learn to fast and meditate. And shoot rifles. But don't do H.

Rob's right about having enough money and the right support group meaning you can do it pretty much indefinitely.

I've tried it, thought I was Archie Shepp for about 15 minutes, then threw up.

I didn't think people bought into the whole Rock n Roll thing enough to bother with it anymore. I thought it was just prostitutes and newspaper journalists that bothered these days.

I was friends with a few serious addicts in the early 90s, when London's 'indie scene' had a similar influx of smack to the one it seems to be having now. A pathetic thing to watch really.

Sadly not, it would seem.

i wasn't going to quit before i left but somehow someone talked enough sense into me to get some methadone and not be stupid about it. i did it for long enough to get physically addicted to it and be off in my little smackhead world and not give a flying fuck about anything. not too far gone, far gone enough to have perspective on the matter and i don't like motherfuckers interrogating me which is why i don't talk about it very openly. mostly it's none of your fucking business.

the main draw of heroin, for most of it's users, is not any euphoria you get, but that it numbs you, takes away the pain, whether emotional/physical/psychological. Kurt Cobain allegedly started doing heroin to kill the pain he had from his gastric ulcers which were eating up his stomach and intestines.

when life is all pain and hurt, something like heroin can be very very attractive.

to quote Muddy waters
"I'm a stick with my reefer, I ain't messin' round with no cocaine..."

i did it because i need a barrier between myself and reality.

glad you opened up to us

if you need to talk just phon(y)e a support group

i don't need to talk with anyone, it's not a problem for me right now because i don't feel threatened or violated by anyone or anything. i took care of my shit and that's that. i've done it since i quit and i'm sure i'll probably do it again because my brain is fucked up and i'll never learn.

that's irrelevant. there are pictures i took in paris and amsterdam in the photography or art thread or some shit. go find them yourself.

actually what will come up is that stupid photobucket thing that says image deleted because i've cleared out photobucket a billion times but i'll put them back in there. JUST FOR YOU.

sooner or later the heroin becomes a lia(r)bility

you're a big fat lia(r)bility