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Hip Priest 03.25.2006 07:27 PM

Classic TV: The Prisoner
 
Inspired by helotwentyfifteen's excellent signiature pic.

Any fans?

I love it, great TV show, possibly the greatest. Everything about it is simply wonderful - script, storyline, acting, presience, setting, it's more or less perfect, and 'Fall Out' is the most deranged and addictive denoument of any TV show.

I also love the episode 'HAmmer Into Anvil', as it rather nicely changes the whole tone of the show from No 6 trying to escape to No 6 trying to beat them at their own game.

Discuss the Prisoner here!

And have a decent fan site link, too!

Hip Priest 03.25.2006 07:28 PM

Tell us your favourite quote, for fun (Fun! hurrah!). Leo Mckern, as a former number 2, gets to speak this classic in 'Fall Out': 'It has been my lot, in the past, to wield a not inconsiderable power. Nay, I have had the ear of statesmen, kings and the princes of many a land. Governments have been swayed, policies defined and revolutions nipped in the bud at a word from me in theright place and at the propitious time.'

johnnywinternoshow 03.25.2006 09:07 PM

I like the one where he enters the art competition and uses his scultpure and the painting to make the boat, also the one with the other no 6 and the one where they let him get away for his birthday

 


be seeing you

hellotwentyfifteen 03.26.2006 01:20 AM

look at my signature!

hellotwentyfifteen 03.26.2006 01:21 AM

oh also

im getting my friend to sew white lining onto my black coat, it will be awesome!

Savage Clone 03.26.2006 08:21 AM

Love that show.
I have the complete series DVD box; great stuff!

Hip Priest 03.26.2006 06:27 PM

I love the foresight - cordless phones and surveillance cameras - but like every other sci/fi type show, they failed to predict that computers would become small and stop running on tape!

hellotwentyfifteen 03.26.2006 11:36 PM

i love tape!

how much did the box set run you

Savage Clone 03.26.2006 11:41 PM

It was expensive; around $90.00, but it's 10 DVDs and I get a lot of mileage out of them...

Lurker 07.09.2006 06:05 AM

I was actually going to make thread about this and I was just looking at random old posts and came across this. Coincidence?

Fucking brilliant program. I've actually been to the place where they filmed it. It was such weird place, the whole village was made by some eccentric rich guy, really cool. I think it's in Wales.

Lurker 07.09.2006 06:07 AM

I think No. 6's house was the gift shop. Obviosly the interior wasn't the same because that was a set.

Hip Priest 07.09.2006 06:11 AM

Portmeirion was built Clough Williams-Ellis. The great thing about visiting it as a Prisoner fan id that although the TV series exaggerated everything, everything seems just as the TV series made it seem.

It's good that No 6's house is a Prisoner gift-shop. Most of the village is a hotel.

Lurker 07.09.2006 06:18 AM

Oh yeah, Portmeirion, thats its name. Was I right in saying it's in Wales? It was ages ago when I went and can't really remember. Yeah everything is how it seemed on tv, it's so cool, really exciting. Have you been? I think No. 6's house was the gift shop, not 100% sure though. I really want to go back. It's just so cool that that guy made this whole, really weird village, really cool place.

Hip Priest 07.09.2006 06:30 AM

It's on the west Wales coast, close to Porthmadog (there's a vey pleasant steam train running from Porthmadog to Portmeirion, then a ten minute walk to the village). I'm no expert on PAtrick McGoohan's previous TV series, Danger Man, but I'm pretty sure that an episode had been set in Portmeirion, leading to it's selection for The Prisoner. The village is also used in an old Tom Baker Doctor Who story, The Masque of Mandragora, as well as various other one-off tv episodes and pop videos; most notably, XTC used it for 'The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul' (and Supergrass used it for their first single I believe. Wouldn't know about them though!).

I've just had a look; it's got it's own website here: http://www.portmeirion-village.com/en/index.php.

Clough Williams Ellis was a really good sort; full of dreams for nice environments that were constructed but not entirely false or sharing a single characteristic. He wrote many books, notably one (pub. 1928) called England and the Octopus - an early wake-up call to those who destroy our heritage. His vision for Portmeirion was to show that built on his own private peninsula on the coast of Snowdonia where he built to show that the development of a naturally beautiful site need not lead to its defilement and that architectural good manners could be good business. His lifelong concern was with Architecture, Landscape Design, the protection of Rural Wales and Conservation generally.

Lurker 07.09.2006 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hip Priest
It's on the west Wales coast, close to Porthmadog (there's a vey pleasant steam train running from Porthmadog to Portmeirion, then a ten minute walk to the village). I'm no expert on PAtrick McGoohan's previous TV series, Danger Man, but I'm pretty sure that an episode had been set in Portmeirion, leading to it's selection for The Prisoner. The village is also used in an old Tom Baker Doctor Who story, The Masque of Mandragora, as well as various other one-off tv episodes and pop videos; most notably, XTC used it for 'The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul' (and Supergrass used it for their first single I believe. Wouldn't know about them though!).

I've just had a look; it's got it's own website here: http://www.portmeirion-village.com/en/index.php.

Clough Williams Ellis was a really good sort; full of dreams for nice environments that were constructed but not entirely false or sharing a single characteristic. He wrote many books, notably one (pub. 1928) called England and the Octopus - an early wake-up call to those who destroy our heritage. His vision for Portmeirion was to show that built on his own private peninsula on the coast of Snowdonia where he built to show that the development of a naturally beautiful site need not lead to its defilement and that architectural good manners could be good business. His lifelong concern was with Architecture, Landscape Design, the protection of Rural Wales and Conservation generally.



Thanks for that. I'd forgotten how beautiful it was. Ellis sounds like a cool guy from the site

schizophrenicroom 07.09.2006 08:16 AM

I think I've seen an episode, but I can't remember. I want to watch this show so bad.

Battlestar Galactica used "Number Six" as a name for the Cylon character.

jon boy 07.09.2006 08:19 AM

yeah i love the prisoner. i first heard of it through the iron maiden song! went to port merion and ran around the beach and whatnot. it was really funny.

LifeDistortion 07.09.2006 12:25 PM

Was "The Prisoner" a western? I keep getting confused, thinking that "The Prisoner" was the pre-"Twilight Zone" Rod Serling series, but I just checked and that was "The Loner" so, whatever.

jon boy 07.09.2006 04:15 PM

no no no it was very british. 60's pyschadelic kinda thing about a guy held prisoner on an island and being chased by giant balloons.

h8kurdt 07.09.2006 04:20 PM

Yeah what was the deal with them balloons?

Danny Himself 07.09.2006 04:20 PM

Was this the show with Tattoo, the little midget guy?

Hip Priest 07.09.2006 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Himself
Was this the show with Tattoo, the little midget guy?


No. Absolutely not. That may have been Fantasy Island.

The Prisoner did have the Butler, though, who was also somewhat diminutive. He was there to represent the 'little man', the normal person who simply obeys whoever is in charge.

Savage Clone 07.09.2006 04:28 PM

The Butler was always most dignified though, and didn't really seem to be on the show for cutesy kitsch factor or (as in Fantasy Island) as anyone's sidekick.
He's a great character. Never said a word, did he?

Hip Priest 07.09.2006 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h8kurdt
Yeah what was the deal with them balloons?


They were actually wehather balloons, and the series went througha great many of them during filming as they were easily damaged. Known as 'Rover', it served as a kind of sheepdog (hence the name 'Rover', serving as a warning and rounding up stray members of 'the flock', as it were.

h8kurdt 07.09.2006 04:30 PM

No, still a stupid idea.

Hip Priest 07.09.2006 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone
The Butler was always most dignified though, and didn't really seem to be on the show for cutesy kitsch factor or (as in Fantasy Island) as anyone's sidekick.
He's a great character. Never said a word, did he?


Absolutely, and very well played by Angelo Muscat. His silence and physical stature represented the unquestioning, obedient, normal man. At the end od the series, as No6 'wins' (or appears to win) the butler quickly changes allegiance, of course.

Hip Priest 07.09.2006 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt
No, still a stupid idea.


Certainly silly if the piece is to be taken literlally, but as a metaphor it works OK (and is cost effective!). The Prsioner is largely allegorical, don't forget.

Rover originally was intended to appear quite differently; click on the link in my first post and then go to Original 'Rover' to see.

jon boy 07.09.2006 04:39 PM

the balloons were quite scary i thought.

Hip Priest 07.09.2006 04:41 PM

Yeah, quite effective in my opinion too - the series hasn't dated much when you consider it's age.

Lurker 07.10.2006 10:40 AM

He escapes in the end but does he? Because the door to his house is automatic like the ones on the island (or not island as is shown)

Hip Priest 07.10.2006 12:36 PM

WARNING SPOLIER ALERT WARNING SPOLILER ALERT WARNING SPOILER ALERT WARNING SPOILER ALERT and of course he turns out to be Number 1, too (and it ends with old starting shot of him in the car). Can you ever escape self-imposed limitations?

Lurker 07.10.2006 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hip Priest
WARNING SPOLIER ALERT WARNING SPOLILER ALERT WARNING SPOILER ALERT WARNING SPOILER ALERT and of course he turns out to be Number 1, too (and it ends with old starting shot of him in the car). Can you ever escape self-imposed limitations?


What!? He wasn't No. 1, was he? That would not make any sense at all.

Hip Priest 07.10.2006 01:31 PM

He first tears off the 'theatre' type mask to reveal the ape mask, he then tears off the ape mask to reveal his own screaming, sneering face.

sonic sphere 07.10.2006 01:34 PM

hilarious programme!

Lurker 07.10.2006 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hip Priest
He first tears off the 'theatre' type mask to reveal the ape mask, he then tears off the ape mask to reveal his own screaming, sneering face.


What? I don't remember that bit. I don't get it? If he was No.1 why the fuck was he even there? No. 1 was a machine that he destroys. Right?

Hip Priest 07.10.2006 06:27 PM

Depends how you look at it. The series is not to be taken entirely literally - there are many times when 'reality' switches to allegory. The series as a whole is a series of symbolic warnings aout psychiatry, politics, education, science, morals etc.

Split the series into three parts; the first, up to and including 'Checkmate', involves number 6 attempting to escape his captors; the second, from 'Hammer into Anvil' onwards, sees number 6 competing with his captors on their terms, attempting to overcome them rather than run from them. The third, comprising the last two episodes, takes us away from all normality. That especially applies to the final episode, Fall Out, which was conceived and written in a very short space of time to end the series quickly (more episodes were planned, but the sheer expense of the series was bleeding ATV dry).

The Prisoner is about the Individual versus Society; the revelation that number 6 is in fact also number 1 is a comment that the control inflicted upon us by government and society is ultimately executed by individuals, and part of that control is the phenmenon of our own self-restriction, our fear of positive action or being individual. We construct our own psychological and spiritual reality - therefore it is malleable, and we can positively determine it's nature, providing we are up for the fight. The fight, as is realised by number 6, is not neccessarily and external, physical one, but also an internal, psychological one, although in both cases it takes strong individuality to overcome obstacles. Compare The Prisoner to other distopian visions (eg '1984') and it is clearly a more positive, liberating message that is being propogated.

Referring back to the themes of parts one and two, number 6's physical fights only beat the limited opposition of the village's own thugs; the real aythority, from 'Rover to Number 2, is untouched by such tactics - the first time number 2 is really made to suffer is in 'Hammer into Anvil'.

At the start of each episode, the following discourse takes place:

No6: Who are you?
No2: I am Number 2
No6: Who is Number 1?
No2: You are Number 6

Is that official response a refusal by Number 2 to answer the question, or is it an early hint at the reality, that can be grammatically altered to

No6: Who are you?
No2: I am Number 2
No6: Who is Number 1?
No2: You are, number 6.

Hip Priest 07.11.2006 05:02 AM

Also, it's worth bearing in mind that in the late 1980's DC comics released a four-part story which was a sequel to The Prisoner set 20 years after the TV series. The graphic novel collection of this, Shattered Visage, includes a couple of pages of text that explain that the events that take place in Fall Out as being entirely drug-induced - a further step towards the attempts to psychologically break number 6 that we see in Once Upon a Time.

Whilst the comic story isn't a direct part of the TV series, it features the characters played by Patrick Mcgoohan and Leo McKern (with their phsical appearances) and the whole thing was supervised and vetted by McGoohan himself, so as an official sequel it carries some credibility.

Incidentally, McGoohan discusses The Prisoner in this interview, transcribed here from Canadian television.

Lurker 07.11.2006 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hip Priest
Depends how you look at it. The series is not to be taken entirely literally - there are many times when 'reality' switches to allegory. The series as a whole is a series of symbolic warnings aout psychiatry, politics, education, science, morals etc.

Split the series into three parts; the first, up to and including 'Checkmate', involves number 6 attempting to escape his captors; the second, from 'Hammer into Anvil' onwards, sees number 6 competing with his captors on their terms, attempting to overcome them rather than run from them. The third, comprising the last two episodes, takes us away from all normality. That especially applies to the final episode, Fall Out, which was conceived and written in a very short space of time to end the series quickly (more episodes were planned, but the sheer expense of the series was bleeding ATV dry).

The Prisoner is about the Individual versus Society; the revelation that number 6 is in fact also number 1 is a comment that the control inflicted upon us by government and society is ultimately executed by individuals, and part of that control is the phenmenon of our own self-restriction, our fear of positive action or being individual. We construct our own psychological and spiritual reality - therefore it is malleable, and we can positively determine it's nature, providing we are up for the fight. The fight, as is realised by number 6, is not neccessarily and external, physical one, but also an internal, psychological one, although in both cases it takes strong individuality to overcome obstacles. Compare The Prisoner to other distopian visions (eg '1984') and it is clearly a more positive, liberating message that is being propogated.

Referring back to the themes of parts one and two, number 6's physical fights only beat the limited opposition of the village's own thugs; the real aythority, from 'Rover to Number 2, is untouched by such tactics - the first time number 2 is really made to suffer is in 'Hammer into Anvil'.

At the start of each episode, the following discourse takes place:

No6: Who are you?
No2: I am Number 2
No6: Who is Number 1?
No2: You are Number 6

Is that official response a refusal by Number 2 to answer the question, or is it an early hint at the reality, that can be grammatically altered to

No6: Who are you?
No2: I am Number 2
No6: Who is Number 1?
No2: You are, number 6.


Aah! Very interesting.

Lurker 07.11.2006 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hip Priest
Also, it's worth bearing in mind that in the late 1980's DC comics released a four-part story which was a sequel to The Prisoner set 20 years after the TV series. The graphic novel collection of this, Shattered Visage, includes a couple of pages of text that explain that the events that take place in Fall Out as being entirely drug-induced - a further step towards the attempts to psychologically break number 6 that we see in Once Upon a Time.

Whilst the comic story isn't a direct part of the TV series, it features the characters played by Patrick Mcgoohan and Leo McKern (with their phsical appearances) and the whole thing was supervised and vetted by McGoohan himself, so as an official sequel it carries some credibility.

Incidentally, McGoohan discusses The Prisoner in this interview, transcribed here from Canadian television.


Very interesting interview. So what happens in that comic? Is he still on the island. I suppose that might make sense with what the program was actually about.

Also, I didn't know that he created it, I thought he just acted in it.


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