Abortion
 

I thought it'd be nice to start a thread on a light topic - there's been too much seriousness on the board lately.

Ok, really, anybody want to discuss how they feel about abortion? I have a lot of opinions. Has this been beat into the ground? Seems like a good debating topic. I don't know...

I dunno. I don't think its right but there are many different reasons that would make it reasonable to me.

I'm broadly in favour of the individual's right to choose.

I also feel that moral responsibility is an inherent obligation in all things.

I'm a guy, so I feel that I don't have the right to tell a woman that they can't have an abortion. It's their choice. Also, I don't think that it's wrong.

It depends on the individual case. What one of the Dakota states did, outlawing it totally, is disgusting. What if a twelve-year-old was raped, and became pregnant? Having a kid that age carry a child could seriously harm you, physically and inside. Even though it's viewed as murder and you can say "just put it up for adoption once it's born", it's still a kid who was the parent.

If you're just someone that fucks around a lot, and get abortions in place of using contraceptives, then it's wrong, though.

I don't like the labels Pro-Choice and Pro-Life. Pro-Life is dumb, period. Pro-Choice makes it about rights, which is not how I like to look at it.

South Dakota said that if it endangered a woman it would be legal to have an abortion.

In every moral or political debate, the public is essentially presented with biases views that do nothing to offer a balanced understanding. My own view is that we need to dump the general trend of government nannying and control and encourage people to behave morally, with a sense of personal responsibility. It won't be perfect, but it's ultimately the only way for society to be free.

Since you can be personally against abortion (valid stance) and still be Pro-Choice I don't think it's acceptable for there to be any "Pro-Life/Anti-Choice" side. Too many pro-life people seem to be going about it with a "you made your bed, now sleep in it" attitude and that is fucking bullshit because you don't fucking joke around with creating lives. Using babies as punishment for having sex is disgusting.

My view, in detail:

Life begins at conception - the glob of cells is human and alive. However, it isn't a person. Personhood requires more than simply being alive and human, clearly. When does personhood start? Impossible to answer, but in my opinion, well after birth.

I don't think that killing a fetus or unborn baby is morally wrong in any case. Infanticide is wrong if it's not your baby. If it's your baby, it's more complicated. In modern western culture, kiling your own baby is REALLY looked down upon.

However, I think that the laws should reflect the values of the majority of people - they should be a reflection of the average view, not my personal view. So, in America, I think abortion should be legal, but only through the second trimester (or maybe the first) - seems like a good compromise. That's pretty much how it works now - third trimester abortions are really rare.

Also, the term partial-birth abortion is a bullshit term made up by politicians.

i dont think its right for sluts to go around and get abortions any time they choose. but if a woman were to get raped. that would be some shit for someone force her to give brith to that child? ya know?
good topic. btw

If it legal to kill millions over an ideal such as government why can't we use abortions to keep a child from living an unhappy life.

The total anti-abortionist stance is just cruel, the thought that there are people in power who would have raped women forced to cary the baby, that's a worrying thing.

Indeed.

i think abortions are wrong, under any circumstances

I kind of agree with you. I think that Adoption is always an option. However, I feel less people should get pregnant. I want the world population to even out but not with the help of abortion.

I think the real problem is people/institutions getting in the way and speaking on behalf of others. Noone has the right to tell a woman whether she should or shouldn't have the baby. Frankly, it's nobody's business but hers.

and i hate how all the feminists turn it around and make it an issue of their rights. give them an inch, they take a mile.

What if a guy gets raped by a women and she gets pregnant. The woman doesn't want an abortion so the guy has to pay child support for a kid he made while being raped.

More like give 'em an inch and they refuse to shave their legs and decide that dyke hair-cuts and flannel is 'in'.

more like give them an inch and they'll bitch for another until they get a mile.

*shakes head*

if this is sarcasm, do better.

if you are being sincere, please try and understand that abortion is not the
exclusive option of "sluts" and that rather than being branded a "feminist" i
personally would rather be looked upon as a human being who gets frankly
very scared when people tell me that my body should not be my own. in
essence, that is exactly what this is. you dont' need to be weaned on a
steady diet of feminist tract to feel what i feel.

and if life begins at conception, i hereby recommend that all sonograms confirming pregnancy be followed by a birth certificate. and even then you'd
be a couple months or so off. pfft.

Wouldn't masterbation be considered abortion? Every gazillions are killed. No discrimination here.

blowjobs as well. any expulsion of sperm that didn't result in a pregnancy
could be considered such, heh.

Im going to start a "Sperm's right" Movement!

http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...i-kc/sperm.jpg

It all really depends on the situation. Personally, I would rather have a baby aborted as opposed to being raised in a family that isn't suited to raise it. Whether that situation be rape, or young people getting pregnant on accident. But it depends on the situatuion.

Abort all of the retarded babies.

I think abortion is up to the woman, if married to both her and her husband,if she is raped she should have that option of having one. Adoption is not a good choice, because many kids get lost in it.

yeah! so lets kill the fuckers!


and all that bullshit about a womans body, its just that... ITS NOT YOUR BODY. your child is no more your body than i am part of my mothers body.

i'm pro-abortion and anti-breeding. i'm also pro vasectomy. humans should no longer be permitted to breed and anything that terminates the life of a future-human is peachy keen in my book.

I love my vasectomy.

SPERM RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They have feelings, too.

this is quite an emotive issue. i suppose that i am pro choice, a woman should be allowed to have an abortion if she wants. my sister worked in an abortion clinic and she feels the same way despite the things she witnessed.

i think its starnge when pro life! people blow up the buildings.

I'm pro choice, but I do think people are becoming to blase with abortions. I don't believe in abortions that a life is being taken, but I have run into people who are pro choice who couldn't give a fuck either way, which I find kind of worrying.

I think people need to move past the "right to choose" and "right to live" debate and accept what is happening now and move forward. Too many people are stuck in the past, insisting "right to choose" as their basis of their argument the same way people are stuck in the past and use "right to live" as the basis of their arguments as well.


Fact is this: abortions will happen regardless of RIGHT TO CHOOSE and RIGHT TO LIVE laws.

Solution: make abortion procedures as safe as possible.

Fuck the "RIGHT TO CHOOSE" debate. That's going nowhere, especially with some of the "questionable" justices appointed to the Supreme Court.

What people should be emphasizing is "clean and safe abortion procedure" because abortions were there since the beginning of procreation.

I'm not saying "right to choose" is not "right"...what I'm saying is that as long as people are so insistent on using that as the basis of their argument, people won't look at the real solution...keeping it safe and clean and limiting deaths from unsafe procedures.


I approach the abortion issue like I've approached CLEAN NEEDLE DISTRIBUTION. People can argue the morality of drugs(PRO-DRUGS vs ANTI-DRUGS), but that's not stopping junkies from sharing needles and the spread of HIV in American Society. People just need to accept what's going on and move together to a solution that will work regardless of moral beliefs. What's good is good.

I think it is important for morals not to be completely forgotten. If the approach of "let's just get it over with quickly and safely" is followed, then I think that is sad because discussion and questions are very important. I don't think it's right to stop debate over abortion just because it's always going to be there.

On the other hand, some of the "debate" surrounding the issue should realy be stopped when it turns violent.

Yes.

yeah. they're for a little project...

I contiplated with myself about this topic for quite some time now, and had numerous discussions about it with friends. I don't know whether I think it should be legal or not, because the premesis are too strong for both sides.

First of all, if somebody is born and is considered an accident, I don't believe they will recieve the love that an intentional baby would get. They would be born and raised without recieving as much love. Secondly, it would impact the mother's life immensely in a negative way, so both the mother and the child would most likely not get along and result in a terrible relationship between one another.

On the other hand, I'm always for free will. If the fetus is unable to make a decision, does that mean that it wouldn't have the choice to live or not? Maybe it would want to live, and maybe it wouldn't, we'll never be able to tell.

hah hah. brilliant move. :D