how does this happen?
 

how do we end up with the music genres we end up with? It's retarded. Most of them HAD to have started as a joke, e.g. screamo, skacore, etc. Then at some point they caught one. But I can't stand anybody who can say the word screamo with a straight face. The fact that someone can use a word that so aptly describes emo music with screaming without cringing makes me sick. These "screamo" bands are all horrible, because they have no deep roots in their music. They aren't incorporating influences of the music they grew up on and that help shape who they are. They are incorporating the music they've been listening to for the past 2 years. And just like a tree with shallow roots, they will produce rotten fruit. Actually, that may not be true with trees, but it sounded good. Plus it rhymed.

P.S. Sorry for the wandering rant...

How is screamo a joke? It evolved from emo, which was a very valid genre of the 1990s. Screamo is pretty much dead nowadays, but some of the bands of the 90s were great... Orchid, Joshua Fit For Battle, Kodan Armada, Sed Non Satiata, Song of Zarathustra... Sorry but you sound like an idiot.

I pretty much agree with you afterthefact.

Too many people are musically retarded and/or gullible and actually believe that MTV bands like My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy actually represent emo... the original emo died in the 90s.

It would be like someone hearing Arctic Monkeys and hating them. Then they hear that they are "indie" so they completely write off indie bands like Sonic Youth or Dinosaur Jr. It's just ignorant.

What the fuck is screamo anyway? Emo but with scream-y vocals?

Yeah, I was just bored and sort of ranting, I know there is emo, and then there is "emo." I'm talking about the silversteins and hawthornes heights, and the chiodos, not good emo like rites of spring and stuff from the late 80's, when all it was was good ol' hardcore punk with just slightly more sensitive lyrics. But screamo, to the best of my knowledge, is pretty new as a genre. Like I said though, that's just to the best of my knowledge, I don't tend to dig deep into subjects I'm not too interested in.

yes, Iain, that's exactly what it is.

it all sucks. rock is rock.

anytime a band puts fashion before it's music they SUCK.

many bands can be classified as "emo" (american football, Metroschifter, etc.) that just rock. screamo is a joke.

these bands have no depth whatsoever and are meant for the whores of pop culture. I know quite a few people at school who were the kind who were hyped to see TASTE OF CHAOS! of course, they don't realize most of the bands are shit (silverstien, atreyu, as i lay dying (the most retarded name ever), deftones, to name a few). But, I think this will die soon

yes, thank you! and also, what is with the name of these bands? they all have either a day, month, or season in their name. you can just make one up off the top of your head, like, "autumn brings september flames," and there is probably a band out there with that same name.

so bad are the names, that it gives away the theme of all their songs just by seeing it



and all these bands talk about the same things! No originality or surreal or weird lyrics!

Dude!!!! That's MY band's name! I'll sue!!!!!

I can't remember who said it, and i'm pretty sure someone has it as their signature on the board but theres a quote that goes "there's only 2 types of music, good music and bad music," maybe it was Coltrane or Miles Davis that said it, but it's very true.

I'm not even going to bother to educate you idiots, you can continue hating genres that have nothing to do with mainstream music.

"Omg, Hawthorne Heights suck, this is what all emo music sounds like? What a shit genre!"

"Omg, Arctic Monkeys suck, this is what all indie music sounds like? What a shit genre!"

Same, immature, and wrong, mentality.

Every band in my high school is a screamo band. I don't get how they enjoy that type of music. Maybe they're just trying to be cool.

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Again, shows, that no one here understands the genres you're talking about

Thursday could be more classified as post-hardcore, which is a more modern genre (which is actually also what you could classify bands such as Atreyu in, but they're not good anyways.) Also, they wouldn't be early screamo even if they were screamo to begin with. They're from the late 90s and still make music today. Nearly all the bands that were in the screamo genre broke up in the 90s. It's rare to hear a real screamo band these days.

City of Caterpillar, Envy, Pg. 99 and Saetia were some of the older (and more popular) screamo bands that came around in the mid-late 90s but none of them make music anymore either.

oh fuck, i was thinking of something else. You are correct. maybe emo I dont know. Nevermind.

who cares about genres?

almost crimes, it's not immature, it's just being tired of having screamo shoved in our faces all the time, and the bands I'm refering to are silverstien and hawthorne heights, and the like. If there are older screamo bands, that's great, and I'm glad you like it, but I don't care enough to dig deep into it. All I know is what I hate, and I hate what is, at least by most, called screamo. let it go...

Continue living in ignorance then. Everytime you refer to those bands as screamo, you are wrong. Just so you know.

Most of the newer "emo / hardcore" bands you see gain mainstream popularity are actually post-hardcore. I hate to ruin the validity of that genre, but all music has to fall in some kind of category I guess...

How about you just not listen to them and say you hate the particular bands instead of writing off entire genres? You also shouldn't make claims at the same time that a particular genre doesn't have "deep roots in music" and "aren't incorporating influences of the music they grew up on" because these are just absolute assinine claims and you can understand how I could be irritated. That is one mentality that I cannot stand these days. It's the same as the people who destroy the homes and businesses of all Muslims because of the events of 9/11.

Hopefully from this thread you were educated a bit so you don't make the same claims again.

Peace

Genres are lame. Heroin gets lumped with Thursday. Sufjan Stevens gets lumped with shit like Jack Johnson. Converge gets lumped with crap like Fear before the March of Flames.

It is all just music.

actually, it's not the same as those people, cause I'm not killing people. What irritates me is that you KNOW what I am talking about. When I say screamo, you know what bands I am refering to. I am refering to the bands that, if you went out in public and said "I listen to screamo," everyone would think you were talking about. That's like somebody calling a homosexual "gay," and then somebody saying "well actually gay means happy or joyous, so you don't know what you are talking about." You'd look stupid, because they were using the word in the most common usage, and you were being nitpicky and calling them out for it. Like I said, let it go, it's not a personal slam, so don't worry about it. Geez...

I'm tired of fighting with people about music genres. All they do is hinder the development of music, it's all music, labelling is useless.

It's all music, we should enjoy it, not fight about it.

I agree. I'm not posting for the sake of genres (personally I hate them) but instead the stigma associated with the word. I just think it's ignorant.

^ yeah man musics all about personal tasteand its fucking pointless to fight about generes and which bands are better

I definately agree, I think labeling music is retarded. But you can't deny that there ARE music genres. Unfortunately, rock can't just be rock. It SHOULD be that way, but the mainstream media won't allow it, because they have to keep coming up with original stuff to keep peoples attention, and since they are too afraid to try new MUSIC, they have to create a genre. Cause if that works, then they have a good 5 years of playing it safe and making the same old crap over and over again.

Nice, I love the 3 of em. Haven't heard envy yet though. Saetia's great, but they've had tonnes of bands. I forget which one's their recent one - it's either Off Minor or Hot Cross. I think Hot Cross, and the guitarist is nuts.

btw, almost crimes, checked that stuff out, it's really good. still, I'm stubburn, so I'm not backing down :) hehe

Heard. I think the fact that emo, screamo, and other pop sounding post hardcore are synonymous with hot topic and myspace grinds the whole genre/movement into shitey shreds of black eyeliner and fake grimaces. That is probably part of afterthemfacts hatred, but I don't want to presume that. I know it is part of my dislike, but I mostly hate this trend because the majority of it isn't sincere. For the most part these kids aren't genuine, there is no real catharsis. The hot topic crowd are just in it for the ride, and won't cling to any of it in say 5 or 10 years, and this is because the better portion of them don't have any decent musical knowledge and can't make an informed decision on what sounds good, so they opt for different, but its mainstream different. This course blinds them to many great and high quality bands that are only a record shop away, it also perpetuates the cycle of black eyeliner and fraudulent grimaces. All in all music is music and you should listen to what you like, BUT make sure you do some research, try to find out the history of whatever "genre" you are into, because if you do, you will probably find that there are many more bands out there and you can increase your musical enjoyment. To close, see my signature.

well put rdtv, good to have a friend to back me up, haha

btw, can't jam tomorrow, no gas... unless you wanna chip in....... :)

you're all wrong, to the music consumer genres are very useful. i'm glad i can go into a record shop and look at the hiphop section, or the japanese section or the experimental section, or the free jazz section. you're all saying genres are silly, but you all take an interest in certain genres over others.

Toilet and Bowels, you are so stupid.
Don't you realize it does a disservice to all music from all time to draw a distinction between folk and metal, or classical and grindcore?
Nice stereotyping you're doing there.
Sonic Life!!

I'm gonna guess savage clone is kidding. The reason I don't like genres is because genres create scenes, and scenes create scenesters. And I think it's agreed that we all hate scenesters. Because when they start showing up, the fashion comes before the music, and therefore the quality of the music takes a turn for the worse. But as far as labeling the music for organizational purposes like Toilet & Bowels was saying, I'm all for it. Who wants to be looking for a pavement cd, and have to sort though opera music and polka music just to find it? Although, it would be cool to see "Parker, Charlie" and "Pavement" right next to each other. Hmm, how could we solve this? I guess we could actually put Charlie Parker's quote, quoted by RdTV, to use, and just have 2 sides to a record store, good music & bad music. That way, no matter what you pick up on the good side, you know it will be just that, GOOD. Anybody agree?

Remember the 90's? When someone who liked Led Zeppelin could also like Ice-T? :) One of the side effects of labelling is, it becomes a brand. And branding is a form of segmentation, to facilitate easy access to the consumer market and ease general surveys into the market. When segmentation and segregation within the mass consumer market is encouraged, this also affects social trends and attitudes, as capitalism is very much a prevailing paradigm that permeates every aspect of our lives. Therefore, you're an emo kid, I'm a wigger, I hate you, you hate me, we both hate the old rock dudes.

Sweet. Straight Outta Compton IV.

I think all this will happen with or without genres really though, it's all about your state of mind. If genres exsist, you can still like all kinds of music. And vice versa, even if genres as they are didn't exsist now, Led Zepplin and NWA, just for example, would still sound very different. And if you are a close-minded person, with or without genres, you may still only listen to one type of music. It's all about the way you think...

led zeppelin and NWA have their moments but their are other sililarish things i like way more.

black sabbath and public enemy, for example

lz>bs
pe>nwa

true. not many are > bs.