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atsonicpark 06.27.2009 10:11 PM

alternately-tuned basses?
 
I was thinking about sonic youth and how none of their songs (that I can think of at the moment) have bass that isn't tuned to standard. Then I started thinking about it some more and realized that I couldn't even think of a band (besides, like, Lightning Bolt) with bass that wasn't tuned to standard... anyone know why this is? Do basses not in standard just usually sound like shit?

pbradley 06.27.2009 10:16 PM

Weird. I alt tune my bass all the time.

Dead-Air 06.27.2009 10:19 PM

I watched Wendy Atkinson of Horde of Two (with David Lester of Mecca Normal on guitar) play a beautifully alternately tuned bass today at 1 PM on KPSU. It can be done if the bassist is into more than rhythm cliches. Hell, Chris Sqire did it in Yes at times...

atsonicpark 06.27.2009 10:25 PM

Now that I'm thinking about it, there are definitely some alt-tuned basses in prog rock. Is the bassist in RUINS tuned to standard? I don't think so...

It's just not very prevalent, I guess.

Death & the Maiden 06.27.2009 11:47 PM

Most bass players just play one note/string at a time, so I don't think there'd be much point to it, though there'll probably be exceptions. I've seen bass players tune down a tone or a semitone, though I don't consider that an alternate tuning.

joe11121 06.28.2009 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Death & the Maiden
I've seen bass players tune down a tone or a semitone, though I don't consider that an alternate tuning.


Yep, same.

greedrex 06.28.2009 02:31 AM

maybe Lou Barlow. He plays bass like a gtr.

fugazifan 06.28.2009 03:16 AM

a bass is tuned like a guitar

demonrail666 06.28.2009 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Death & the Maiden
Most bass players just play one note/string at a time, so I don't think there'd be much point to it, though there'll probably be exceptions. I've seen bass players tune down a tone or a semitone, though I don't consider that an alternate tuning.


This

Glice 06.28.2009 05:08 AM

There's also the fact that bass players aren't really musicians.

But more seriously, what often surprises me is that you don't get more people using 'cello tuning (CGDA). Bigger spread, and easier for power chords. Doesn't really fit jazz too easily, but otherwise I'd say it was easier for most rock music. Unless a bassist can tell me why not. Obviously, I'll dismiss whatever they say because BASSISTS ARE NOT REAL MUSICIANS.

 

Glice 06.28.2009 05:17 AM

Actually, I've just realised it's because the bass guitar is modelled on the double bass, and the stretch for the double bass is pretty prohibitive when it's tuned in 5ths. Still, I can't see why that's a problem these days.

nicfit 06.28.2009 06:08 AM

I use DADG on a few songs. not really "alternate tuning", but, hey..we have less strings than a guitar :p.
Glice, that could be also coz bass strings "respond" to different tensions differently from cello strings, and frets could give some problems too.
I'm not really a musician, btw...

Glice 06.28.2009 06:22 AM

Yeah, obviously, you'd need different gauged strings. I suppose the main thing would be a problem with distributing weight/ tension without a support strut - I presume that contrabass have an off-set sound peg in the sounding chamber, but I'm not entirely clear. But then, I'm presuming that, like the violin family, the neck of the electric bass sustains its tension with the strings, which it doesn't necessarily have to.

[Sandbag] 06.28.2009 09:51 AM

I use f#f#f#f#












not true.
I don't know any to be honest..sometimes I use the CGDG.

batreleaser 06.28.2009 11:30 AM

Mike Watt used different tunings didn't he? He must've, some of his lines sounds downright obtuse. The dude from Eloe Omoe also used some strange tunings I believe.

fugazifan 06.28.2009 04:02 PM

On the first song off contemplating the engine room he uses drop d

what do you mean by obtuse?

atsonicpark 06.28.2009 04:05 PM

My girlfriend plays bass and she told me that the reason you don't hear much alt-tuned bass is because bass usually is used for the purpose of holding down the rhythm or holding down the melody (like Joy Division) and therefore most bands use it simply for that purpose, and it would be distracting if there was an alt-tuned bass in the middle of the other instruments.

I guess that's true, even if it's a bit obvious of an answer.

The more I thought about it... I think Girls Against Boys used alternate bass tunings (they had two bassists also).

nicfit 06.28.2009 04:28 PM

black eyes?

atsonicpark 06.28.2009 04:38 PM

Were those basses alt-tuned?

I'm really interested in bands with two basses. Ned's Atomic Dustbin had one great album, though you can barely tell they had two bassists. Then again, Black Eyes had only one good album (I thought Cough was TERRIBLE).

fugazifan 06.28.2009 04:38 PM

dos
and spinal tap had a song with three basses

atsonicpark 06.28.2009 04:39 PM

haha.

I'm going to tune my bass to SLACK for my next album.

nicfit 06.28.2009 04:47 PM

Dianogah

nicfit 06.28.2009 04:48 PM

and yes, cough was pretty terrible.

nicfit 06.28.2009 04:48 PM

not sure those ( BE basses) where alt-tuned, but it's possible...

nicfit 06.28.2009 04:48 PM

yeah, I don't feel like editing old posts, OK???

atsonicpark 06.28.2009 04:49 PM

SOME BOYS LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE

They had this one song that I thought was incredible, it was called "shut up i never" or something like that.

nicfit 06.28.2009 04:54 PM

aaaaaaaaah and fuckin' MORKOBOT, adam! they're the shit!

atsonicpark 06.28.2009 04:54 PM

you're really taking me back

nicfit 06.28.2009 04:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUzJJlY83g

themawt71 06.29.2009 04:17 AM

im almost positive one of the songs on dirty had an alt tuning.

dude from morphine had a 2 string bass tuned to a fifth a think.

Satan 06.29.2009 04:23 AM

the bass on tom tom club genius of love is DGDG

usually there's no need to tune differently although some things are impossible to play in standard tuning

fugazifan 06.29.2009 09:59 AM

batreleaser:
Quote:

Originally Posted by fugazifan

what do you mean by obtuse?


Glice 06.29.2009 12:52 PM

Has anyone mentioned Rothko yet? They had 3 basses.

themawt71 06.29.2009 01:03 PM

For the most part, Kim stays in standard tuning on her bass. However,
at times I think she tunes down to Drop-D (though I can't think of
any instances), and she uses F#F#GA on Drunken Butterfly

via chris lawrence i think.

Green_mind 07.01.2009 04:47 AM

I smtimes tune my acoustic bass to DADF# and a few other similar tunings, nothing to drastic. I accidentally bought some meaty heavy gauged strings a bit ago and warped the neck of it slightly, but it didn't seem to cause any long lasting damage after I put the correct gauge of strings on it.

greedrex 07.01.2009 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fugazifan
a bass is tuned like a guitar

I meant he STRUMS a bass as he would STRUM a gtr, which is not conventional bass playing at all,dumbass.

fugazifan 07.01.2009 01:16 PM

yeah but then it wouldnt need to be tuned differently would it?

Toilet & Bowels 07.01.2009 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atsonicpark
Were those basses alt-tuned?

I'm really interested in bands with two basses. Ned's Atomic Dustbin had one great album, though you can barely tell they had two bassists. Then again, Black Eyes had only one good album (I thought Cough was TERRIBLE).


velvet velvet spice rack started out with two bassists but when one of the guitarists left (to join Does It Offend You, Yeah?) one of the bassists moved over to th' lectrik geetar.

greedrex 07.01.2009 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fugazifan
yeah but then it wouldnt need to be tuned differently would it?

correct.

pbradley 07.01.2009 06:16 PM

I often play chords on the bass so alternative tunings let me experiment in the same way as on the guitar.


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