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Skuj 07.27.2009 08:21 PM

Merce Cunningham Died
 
Damn! He had a long life though.

Did any of you investigate him?

Rob Instigator 07.28.2009 09:12 AM

was that Ritchie's older dumb brother on happy days?

nicfit 07.28.2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
was that Ritchie's older dumb brother on happy days?


No, he was someone Sonic Youth would have Fuppeted.

Rob Instigator 07.28.2009 09:46 AM

true. but then sonic youth like "dance"

Skuj 07.28.2009 10:48 PM

This IS the Sonic Youth forum, right?

Fuck it.

Rob Instigator 07.29.2009 09:06 AM

dance as a culturally relevant art form died around 1914

everything "dance" since then has been a slow progression into total irrelevancy.


is that an unpopular opinion?

nicfit 07.29.2009 10:08 AM

So sy live a not so sonic life coz they gladly paid hommage to Cunningham?

Rob Instigator 07.29.2009 10:14 AM

they can do whatever they wanna do.

but it still does not change that the current cultural impact of dance as an art form is right around that of cut-out sillouettes (sp?) or easter egg decoration.

nicfit 07.29.2009 10:32 AM

So something that does not affect the culture of the masses is worthless (p.s. just in case it's not clear, I'm not "fighting" here, eh, but as I think you know already I'm just kinda fascinated about your so strong opinions on stuff from time to time and I wanna know more about your views)?

floatingslowly 07.29.2009 10:35 AM

brb guys. making my cut-out easter-egg silhouettes dance.




oh, wait, this is a "RIP" thread. sorry for the desecration. carry on.

Glice 07.29.2009 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
dance as a culturally relevant art form died around 1914

everything "dance" since then has been a slow progression into total irrelevancy.


is that an unpopular opinion?


Not so much unpopular as pig-shittingly stupid is what it is. Everyone can, and should, dance. What more cultural relevance do you need?

nicfit 07.29.2009 10:40 AM

Dunno, I really can't say I know shit about dance, but I see people dancing in every damn pop video and boys dancing on tv and tv shows on dancing, and tv shows for kids on dancing, etc etc, "tribal dances" in documentaries about forgotten tribes, dervishes, tarantella, there's this etoile (Bolle) on many talk shows over here...Seems like dancing is everywhere to me.

MellySingsDoom 07.29.2009 10:40 AM

So farewell then, Merce Cunningham
Paragon of modern dance
You leapt and pirouetted to Cage
and Feldman
And influenced many with your
dance moves.

Without you leading the way
Would Michael Clarke have bared his
buttocks and danced to
the
sounds
of The Mighty Fall
?

I think not!

Rob Instigator 07.29.2009 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicfit
So something that does not affect the culture of the masses is worthless (p.s. just in case it's not clear, I'm not "fighting" here, eh, but as I think you know already I'm just kinda fascinated about your so strong opinions on stuff from time to time and I wanna know more about your views)?


worthless and irrelevant are not the same thing

Rob Instigator 07.29.2009 11:21 AM

people dancing is a persona joy to do.

but as ART, as culturally relevant ART, it is dead.

Glice 07.29.2009 11:26 AM

Bollocks. That's like saying that architecture isn't important because no-one notices it. Go back, think about what you've said, realise it's bollocks and come back with the correct opinion.

floatingslowly 07.29.2009 11:27 AM

I dance, in my garage, almost daily. it's a complicated metaphysical event designed to summon rain and good fortune.

when I'm not dancing, you can be sure, in the least, I'm doing a solemn head-nod. does head nodding count as dancing? I think it does. HIGH FUCKING ART.

RIP Merce Cunningham, whoever the hell you were.

ps: rob's an ideological pitbull. once his jaws lock, you'll never shake him loose.

Glice 07.29.2009 11:30 AM

Rob's a nice fella who's prone to spates of complete fuckwittery, you mean.

floatingslowly 07.29.2009 11:38 AM

his name is Rob Instigator, so at least he's being up front about his tactics.

besides that, fuckwittery is relative. and by that, I mean, Rob's my brother from another mother. he had me at "BECK SUCKS".

Rob Instigator 07.29.2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Bollocks. That's like saying that architecture isn't important because no-one notices it. Go back, think about what you've said, realise it's bollocks and come back with the correct opinion.


capital letter Dance (the art form, like mosaics, fresco painting, et c.) holds no cultural relevance anymore. It does not affect the world/public consciousness the same way arts such as music, photography, film, literature Architecture etc currently do.
of course it is just a rise and fall sine wave, but currently, Dance (the art) is nearly dead as far as cultural relevancy goes.

it is right behind musical theatre and lyric poetry!

argue all you want but this is true.

floatingslowly 07.29.2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
it is right behind musical theatre and lyric poetry!


although I'm with you on this one, I don't have the stamina to last through the withering assault that yr about to receive from all of the drooling musical theatre fans here.

gawdspeed, instigator. gawdspeed.

Rob Instigator 07.29.2009 11:45 AM

Musical Theatre, the last bastion for gangly, pimply, socially awkward high school students.

floatingslowly 07.29.2009 11:50 AM

really? I thought that was WoW. :confused:

Rob Instigator 07.29.2009 11:56 AM

everyone knows WoW is for the aged 30+ set

floatingslowly 07.29.2009 12:00 PM

if by "everybody", you mean "people who really don't know", then, yeah. totally.


ok. I'm starting to disgust myself. I was ok with 'jacking the Michael Jackson thread, but it feels wrong to ruin one for a person who might have meant something to somebody (whatever the hell that something might be, I don't know).

Glice 07.29.2009 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
capital letter Dance (the art form, like mosaics, fresco painting, et c.) holds no cultural relevance anymore. It does not affect the world/public consciousness the same way arts such as music, photography, film, literature Architecture etc currently do.
of course it is just a rise and fall sine wave, but currently, Dance (the art) is nearly dead as far as cultural relevancy goes.

it is right behind musical theatre and lyric poetry!

argue all you want but this is true.


Look, just because you're an American doesn't mean that everyone else is. Just because people don't dance into your field of vision doesn't mean it doesn't happen, or isn't relevent in general. Same with musical theatre. Same with lyric poetry. Same with dageurrotypes, alchemy, opera, l'estampies, mummers, Rosacrucian societies, camera obscura...

The public consciousness has fuck all to do with art. Mercifully. What I'm saying is that if more than one person does it, it's culturally relevent.

Except unicycling.

floatingslowly 07.29.2009 12:12 PM

DEAR POSTER_X: lawlz @ yr neg rep. I'll get you, my pretty. and yr little dog Toto too.


"You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later."

CURSES.

Rob Instigator 07.29.2009 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
Look, just because you're an American doesn't mean that everyone else is. Just because people don't dance into your field of vision doesn't mean it doesn't happen, or isn't relevent in general. Same with musical theatre. Same with lyric poetry. Same with dageurrotypes, alchemy, opera, l'estampies, mummers, Rosacrucian societies, camera obscura...

The public consciousness has fuck all to do with art. Mercifully. What I'm saying is that if more than one person does it, it's culturally relevent.

Except unicycling.


if one person does it, and nobody notices, that is the definition of irrelevance!

kinda like a wolf eyes show!

Glice 07.29.2009 01:13 PM

Well, I don't think Wolf Eyes are irrelevant. I think we can probably agree they're shit though.

Skuj 07.29.2009 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
dance as a culturally relevant art form died around 1914

everything "dance" since then has been a slow progression into total irrelevancy.


is that an unpopular opinion?


It's Dada! :eek:

Skuj 07.29.2009 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
Not so much unpopular as pig-shittingly stupid is what it is. Everyone can, and should, dance. What more cultural relevance do you need?


Anyone Can Play Guitar!

Skuj 07.29.2009 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicfit
Dunno, I really can't say I know shit about dance, but I see people dancing in every damn pop video and boys dancing on tv and tv shows on dancing, and tv shows for kids on dancing, etc etc, "tribal dances" in documentaries about forgotten tribes, dervishes, tarantella, there's this etoile (Bolle) on many talk shows over here...Seems like dancing is everywhere to me.


Dancing is so much more "natural" than bands with guitars and drums.

I only know Cunningham via one of my idols/heros: John Cage. And what do you know, SNY embraced both. For reasons that make a lot of sense to me, knowing something about SNY and all.

Skuj 07.29.2009 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
people dancing is a persona joy to do.

but as ART, as culturally relevant ART, it is dead.


"Groups with drums and guitars are never going anywhere." (Or something like that.)

I know fuck all about Dance, but Rob, I feel in my heart that you are wrong about this. But it is a joy to see this pov, and I welcome an elaboration/expansion of this opinion. Thanks.

Satan 07.29.2009 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
Well, I don't think Wolf Eyes are irrelevant. I think we can probably agree they're shit though.

this
Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
Not so much unpopular as pig-shittingly stupid is what it is. Everyone can, and should, dance. What more cultural relevance do you need?

this + dancing is awesome. end of.


glice is on a roll

Skuj 07.29.2009 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floatingslowly
his name is Rob Instigator, so at least he's being up front about his tactics.

besides that, fuckwittery is relative. and by that, I mean, Rob's my brother from another mother. he had me at "BECK SUCKS".


Hahahahaha. I think I'm starting to like Rob.

My 15month old son "dances" when any music comes on. Maybe he tries to mimic me, idk.

I have no idea why I posted that.

Skuj 07.29.2009 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
capital letter Dance (the art form, like mosaics, fresco painting, et c.) holds no cultural relevance anymore. It does not affect the world/public consciousness the same way arts such as music, photography, film, literature Architecture etc currently do.
of course it is just a rise and fall sine wave, but currently, Dance (the art) is nearly dead as far as cultural relevancy goes.

it is right behind musical theatre and lyric poetry!

argue all you want but this is true.


Of course, we know that these things are completely dead! ???

Skuj 07.29.2009 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
Look, just because you're an American doesn't mean that everyone else is. Just because people don't dance into your field of vision doesn't mean it doesn't happen, or isn't relevent in general. Same with musical theatre. Same with lyric poetry. Same with dageurrotypes, alchemy, opera, l'estampies, mummers, Rosacrucian societies, camera obscura...

The public consciousness has fuck all to do with art. Mercifully. What I'm saying is that if more than one person does it, it's culturally relevent.

Except unicycling.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Beautiful.

Skuj 07.29.2009 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
if one person does it, and nobody notices, that is the definition of irrelevance!

kinda like a wolf eyes show!


If a tree falls in the forest...........


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