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m1rr0r dash 01.19.2010 02:20 AM

a man who wants nothing is invincible.
 
....still, how the fuck does he get what he wants, then??? :confused:

pbradley 01.19.2010 02:35 AM

Perhaps invisibility is to take a holiday in nothingness?

Count Mecha 01.19.2010 03:25 AM

It's like in that movie Angus, George C. Scott talks about Superman, how he isn't brave. Superman isn't brave because he's invincible. If you want nothing, what's the point of living?

phoenix 01.19.2010 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash
....still, how the fuck does he get what he wants, then??? :confused:



he wants nothing.

Keeping It Simple 01.19.2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash
....still, how the fuck does he get what he wants, then??? :confused:


He buys them. :rolleyes:

tesla69 01.19.2010 12:05 PM

desire is the cause of all unhappiness

floatingslowly 01.19.2010 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash
....still, how the fuck does he get what he wants, then??? :confused:

martyrdom is pretty popular these days.

knox 01.19.2010 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
desire is the cause of all unhappiness


hey, yes?
buddha kerouac.

i also noticed that desire can bring some happiness.
thats when you get something you desire.

like, right now, some dinner.

EVOLghost 01.19.2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pbradley
Perhaps invisibility is to take a holiday in nothingness?



not invisible


INVINCIBLE!
 

knox 01.19.2010 01:59 PM

but this only applies to men, i see now.

EVOLghost 01.19.2010 02:01 PM

what if the desire is to be invincible?

Keeping It Simple 01.19.2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by knox
hey, yes?
buddha kerouac.

i also noticed that desire can bring some happiness.
thats when you get something you desire.

like, right now, some dinner.


Beans on toast? :D

pbradley 01.19.2010 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOLghost
not invisible


INVINCIBLE!
 

Aw, shit, you're right. I misread. I prefer my misreading, though.

looking glass spectacle 01.20.2010 05:20 AM

if someone "has no want for _______," does that mean that they have _______ in surplus and are satiated or that they have no _______, but are not frustrated by their lack of _______ because they have no desire for _______?


...does this phrase mean simultaneously itself and its opposite re: have/have-not?

Green_mind 01.20.2010 05:44 AM

a man that has everything has everything to lose and a man who temporarily feels that he wants nothing might temporarily feel invincinble.

m1rr0r dash 01.20.2010 06:49 AM

so it's like a video game, then? you get the invincibility, you grab some arbitrary item that you no longer want but that you wrote down on a wishlist before you became invincible by renouncing desire for material possesions and worldly pleasures, and then when the invincibilty wears off you have what you want...? is that the idea behind becoming a monk?

amerikangod 01.20.2010 01:09 PM

A man who desires nothing ain't no man.

tesla69 01.20.2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by amerikangod
A man who desires nothing ain't no man.


Perhaps desires, like emotions, are animal artifacts, so those who desire really haven't reached that higher kharmic level of 'human'.

!@#$%! 01.20.2010 03:14 PM

is this marcus aurelius or some sort of ersatz zen? (i mean the original question of this thread-- the rest i haven't read yet)

amerikangod 01.20.2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
Perhaps desires, like emotions, are animal artifacts, so those who desire really haven't reached that higher kharmic level of 'human'.


I think one of the most unforgivable forms of human ego is the belief that we're anything more than animals.

m1rr0r dash 01.20.2010 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
is this marcus aurelius or some sort of ersatz zen? (i mean the original question of this thread-- the rest i haven't read yet)


ha. no classical philosophy here... in Once upon a Time in Mexico, Enrique Iglesias asks Antonio Banderas why they are doing this if they're not getting paid. Banderas says "A man who wants nothing is invincible," and then steps out from behind cover to blow away all the bad guys.

this struck me as an intellectually indefensible position if the only reason for seeking invincibilty is to make getting what you want easier...

EVOLghost 01.20.2010 10:11 PM

^^ bwuahahhahah

!@#$%! 01.21.2010 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash
ha. no classical philosophy here... in Once upon a Time in Mexico, Enrique Iglesias asks Antonio Banderas why they are doing this if they're not getting paid. Banderas says "A man who wants nothing is invincible," and then steps out from behind cover to blow away all the bad guys.

this struck me as an intellectually indefensible position if the only reason for seeking invincibilty is to make getting what you want easier...


oh, that's the crappy mainstream version of 'el mariachi", isn't it? if so, i'd bet money that it's ripped off from a bad dubbing of a kungfu movie and the bastardized origins are buddhist---some kind of zen story-- there are plenty of those around.

but the logic in this one, of course, is utter crap as you point out. if he wanted nothing he would not have wanted to shoot the extras. for bastardized orientalism, "ghost dog" did it much much better.

Rob Instigator 01.21.2010 10:05 AM

ghost dog knew it was bastardized! I love that movie!

that gangster rappin Flava Flav!

looking glass spectacle 01.21.2010 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
oh, that's the crappy mainstream version of 'el mariachi", isn't it? if so, i'd bet money that it's ripped off from a bad dubbing of a kungfu movie and the bastardized origins are buddhist---some kind of zen story-- there are plenty of those around.

but the logic in this one, of course, is utter crap as you point out. if he wanted nothing he would not have wanted to shoot the extras. for bastardized orientalism, "ghost dog" did it much much better.


all the el mariachi movies were made by robert rodriguez/troublemaker studios, they only became more 'mainstream' as rodriguez became more 'mainstream.' ...still how mainstream is a dude who resigned from the Writer's Guild after making this movie and later resigned from the Director's Guild so he could work with Frank Miller?

Once Upon a Time in Mexico is a very different feel than El Mariachi or Desperado, it was shot digital and was sort of a test case for the methods used in sin city. for most of the movie, they used foam rubber prop guns and then added flash, smoke, blood, bullet holes in post production.

rodriguez also continues his "one man film crew" method on this film - he produced, wrote, directed, operated the camera, did the editing, wrote and performed the music, and also did the production design, whatever that is... at any rate, it's not his best film and it's a shoot-em-up for sure, but rodriguez absolutely deserves to be called "the rebel without a crew." he shot this in under a month from a 45 page script for less than 30 million... sure he made el mariachi for like 500 dolllars, but he's hardly become mainstream as he's grown into larger budgets (still pocket change in hollywood)...

knox 01.21.2010 12:12 PM

this made me want burritos.

Rob Instigator 01.21.2010 12:25 PM

here you go
 

knox 01.21.2010 12:32 PM

they are very cute indeed.

floatingslowly 01.21.2010 12:35 PM

word for the wise: never fuck with a wild burro. they can smash coyotes into fur-pancakes with their back legs, their tasty tasty back legs.

EVOLghost 01.21.2010 02:37 PM

Honestly....I didn't even enjoy el mariachi that much...

DeadDiscoDildo 01.21.2010 03:38 PM

This is retarded. If he wants nothing then I'm sure he doesn't have a bullet proof vest or any kind of protection and would easily be shot/and or stabbed to death.

m1rr0r dash 01.22.2010 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
but the logic in this one, of course, is utter crap as you point out.


not that i'm a huge fan of logic, either.

Put on wreaths of ivy, take up the thyrsus and do not be surprised if tigers and panthers lie down, purring and curling round your legs!!!1111

!@#$%! 01.27.2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by looking glass spectacle
all the el mariachi movies were made by robert rodriguez/troublemaker studios, they only became more 'mainstream' as rodriguez became more 'mainstream.' ...still how mainstream is a dude who resigned from the Writer's Guild after making this movie and later resigned from the Director's Guild so he could work with Frank Miller?

Once Upon a Time in Mexico is a very different feel than El Mariachi or Desperado, it was shot digital and was sort of a test case for the methods used in sin city. for most of the movie, they used foam rubber prop guns and then added flash, smoke, blood, bullet holes in post production.

rodriguez also continues his "one man film crew" method on this film - he produced, wrote, directed, operated the camera, did the editing, wrote and performed the music, and also did the production design, whatever that is... at any rate, it's not his best film and it's a shoot-em-up for sure, but rodriguez absolutely deserves to be called "the rebel without a crew." he shot this in under a month from a 45 page script for less than 30 million... sure he made el mariachi for like 500 dolllars, but he's hardly become mainstream as he's grown into larger budgets (still pocket change in hollywood)...


oh, i totally admire his production methods and his financial independene from holly-wood and he's got ballz of steel, no doubt. his "10 minute film school" is one of my favorite websites of all times. hats off to the fucker on that regard.

but i really think he watered down el mariachi and made it extra-cheezy in order to make money to buy & equip his garage studio-- his day job, of sorts. shark boy and spy kids or something? ayayay, the terror-- again, day job, or parental indulgence, who knows.

i did like sin city though...

!@#$%! 01.27.2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash
not that i'm a huge fan of logic, either.

Put on wreaths of ivy, take up the thyrsus and do not be surprised if tigers and panthers lie down, purring and curling round your legs!!!1111


orpheus schmorpheus had no hand in el mariachi i'm afraid!


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