whats with the disconnection notice video?
 

anyone else think its kinda stupid, and feels out of place on the dvd? not meaning to offend anyone who made it...

tom surgal made it. i think his treatment for it was a jab at the DOGME 95 films.

I thoought it was pretty funny, but it takes most of the MUSIC part out of a music video

For me it's the weirdest video of SY.

I think some of the most twisted are the My Friend Goo internet video's. And even the regular one is really different for a music video

You may have heard of Lars Von Trier... he made Dogville... he is at the more visible end of the Dogme spectrum... also Harmony Korine (who directed Sunday) made Julien Donkey Boy under the guidance of the Dogme manifesto... in fact, Julien Donkey Boy breaches a lot of the Dogme "rules." I read an interview w/ Von Trier where he said something to the effect that the rules were not completely inflexible and were written to some extent with tongue in cheek...

it is not completely ironic! sorry, i gave the wrong impression in my post... not ironic... but not overly serious... but quite serious... geez, i suck...

i love the video."so why did you join a band?"

"so i could Kick out the the jams motherfucker!"
someone up there made a good point by saying that most of the music is taken out of the video. but i dont care. its a funny video

Dude I haven't seen the video, but quite a few Dogma 95 films.... and I'm not a filmmaking student as well.... but the point of Dogma is/was to make filmmaking accessible to anyone, like in the good old days. that's the main pont, so it invoves as much pov as well as no doubles. soundtrack or whatever like that. I think no external lighting as well. Anyway just get stoned and watch "The Idiots" by Lars von Trier. you'll get what it's all about!!!!

I've seen "Julian Donkey-Boy" and "Gummo". I've heard of Dogma 95, but in my ignorance I always thought Dogma 95 was just the name of a production company. Not an art movement.

Yeah,
I think that video is kind of stupid.
I'm not a huge fan of song either.

I find the disconnection notice video's acting kind of fake.

I like the natuaral light aspect of Dogma. Its kinda fun to have a structure but having it be a selling point always makes me laugh. But the Disco video is nice, the music is background which is usually not what yr going for in a music video. AH ART!

Not the greatest of videos but damn I love that song.

I dig that song very much is one of the few I like from that cd.

I think it's Thurston's vocals/lyrics that get me.

ahh i think its a cool video, a bit mad really, maybe i'm just been biased but i dont like the way the song is low in the backround.

i haven't seen the video but i like the dogma films...

favourite: festen (the celebration)

the dogme rules:

1. Filming must be done on location. Props and sets must not be brought in (if a particular prop is necessary for the story, a location must be chosen where this prop is to be found).
2. The sound must never be produced apart from the images or vice versa. (Music must not be used unless it occurs where the scene is being filmed).
3. The camera must be hand-held. Any movement or immobility attainable in the hand is permitted. (The film must not take place where the camera is standing; filming must take place where the action takes place.)
4. The film must be in colour. Special lighting is not acceptable. (If there is too little light for exposure the scene must be cut or a single lamp be attached to the camera).
5. Optical work and filters are forbidden.
6. The film must not contain superficial action. (Murders, weapons, etc. must not occur.)
7. Temporal and geographical alienation are forbidden. (That is to say that the film takes place here and now.)
8. Genre movies are not acceptable.
9. The final picture must be transferred to the Academy 35mm film, with an aspect ratio of 4:3, that is, not widescreen. (Originally, the requirement was that the film had to be filmed on Academy 35mm film, but the rule was relaxed to allow low-budget productions.)
10. The director must not be credited.

Nothing wrong with this video. It's funny and unusual, and most importantly completely watchable, given that it has a fairly coherent narrative that's easy to follow (unlike most music videos). Interesting to hear that its Dogme-inspired. Festen is one of my favourite films.

i thought it was weird to see a video about a band with lots of inner strife when sy are obviously not at all like that (because, if they were anything like that, they would have splitted up a long time ago).

but yeah, it sucks that the video for disconnection notice has very little of the song in it. not because it isn't "mtv" or anything, simply because the song is awesome!!

and since last saturday, tom surgal is a drum hero of mine!!!

sorry....not be a pedantic ass, but what good old days are we discussing when film making was accessible to anyone? (this is a seriously ironic post)
personally, re the video, i kind of like it.

I thought it was funny as hell

i thought it was fucking hysterical and i didnt think it felt out of place so much as it just stood out.

i like the video. i don't like the DOGMA rules at all. we are shooting a video ourselves, with my band, and i don't think many of those rules make any sense. like ten comandaments or something. screw that stuff.

I thought the acting was kinda BLAH, but the story they're telling does kinda go with the song...

Does it seem to anyone else as if the woman is old enough to be the other guys' mother?

It's funny but I don't really like it. Plus, can't Sonic Youth afford better than understudies from a high school play? Kind of reminds me of some Richard Kern movies, being artsy fartsy just to be artsy fartsy and look artsy fartsy. The whole thing looked like it was done by some pseudo artistic female who spends hundreds of dollars to look like she shops in thrift stores.

i like when the guy starts crying cuz he realized his girl fucked the bandmate and he gets all weepy and it is all over, their band is o ver. no more band, and the poor drummer driving, he is just stuck in the middle of it all. ha ha ha! great video. opbviously not meant to be a showcase for the song.

funny!

The radio dial is on 99.1 if I remember right. I wonder if that is supposed to be HFS in Baltimore/DC.

i like the idea of the video, that this band are in their van driving somewhere and that they are having a conversation whilst listening to sonic youth, i just think the final video is kinda crap, the acting is terrible and the script sucks too.

if i was so concerned about the music, i'd just listen to the fucking CD! the video is original and comical. good stuff!

as for the folk who said "get stoned and watch the idiots- you'll understand what it's about" all i have to say is: what, a movie about french people pretending to be retarded to have orgies with one another? at least julien donkey boy had werner herzog tapping his cig ashes into a robitussin bottle...

cool song tho.

You obviously don't understand Richard Kern's work!

Cinema of Transgression

The Cinema of Transgression is a term coined by Nick Zedd in 1985 to describe a New York City based underground film movement, consisting of a loose-knit group of like-minded artists using shock value and humor in their work. Key players in this movement were Nick Zedd, Kembra Pfahler, Jack Waters, Casandra Stark, Beth B, Tommy Turner, Richard Kern and Lydia Lunch, who in the late 1970s and mid 1980s began to make very low budget films using cheap 8 mm cameras.
An important essay outlining Zedd's philosophy on the Cinema of Transgression is the Cinema of Transgression Manifesto[1], published pseudonymously in the Underground Film Bulletin (1984-90).
Perhaps the most famous transgressive artist, Richard Kern, began making films in New York with actors Nick Zedd and Lung Leg. Some of them were videos for artists like the Butthole Surfers and Sonic Youth.

Precursors

The Cinema of Transgression shares a legacy with underground film-makers Jack Smith, Andy Warhol, John Waters and Kenneth Anger. It evolved directly out of the New Cinema or No Wave Film movement, which was related to, and the cinematic extension of, the then thriving New York Punk and No Wave musical movements. Often, although by no means exclusively, musicians of the period, including Arto Lindsay, Pat Place, Klaus Nomi, and Lydia Lunch, acted in these films.

No Wave Cinema

No Wave Cinema was a nearly nine year boom (1976-1985) in underground filmmaking on the Lower East Side neighborhood of New York City. Its name, much like its cousin No Wave music, was a stripped down style of guerilla/punk filmmaking that emphasized mood and texture above everything else. This brief movement, also known as New Cinema (after a short-lived screening room on St. Mark’s Place run by several filmmakers on the scene), had a significant impact on both underground film, spawning the Cinema of Transgression (Beth B, Richard Kern, Nick Zedd, Tessa Hughes Freeland and others) and a new generation of independent feature filmmaking in New York (Jim Jarmusch, Tom DiCillo, Steve Buscemi and Vincent Gallo), as well as the new movement of Remodernist film.
The filmmakers mainly associated with the movement included Amos Poe, Eric Mitchell, Beth B and Scott B, Vivienne Dick, John Lurie, Becky Johnston, and James Nares.

Artsy fartsy my ass!!

I don't know what you mean by accessible???
If you mean that everyone can make a Dogma 95, you're incorrect!

You can shoot on whatever format you want, but the final picture has to be transferred to Academy 35mm.
Not everyone can afford to use that format.

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Personally...I felt it would have had much more effect had it been done in subtitles with the music over top, rather than 'hushing' the music, I mean...it IS a music video...but Sonic Youth isn't really reknown for their 'MTV-standard-format' videos...as Tamra Davis says they approach their video's like little movies or films...so as a short film to a Sonic Youth song, it's hep ass video, I like the concept, however the delivery isn't my cup of tea

I think the video is kinda funny, as a short movie, I find it hard to even call it a music video.