Howling Hex (Nightclub Version of the Eternal)
 

I noticed the correlation to the new SY album title. Cool.

Do you mean similarity?

same with the bangles eternal flame. uncanny really.

Eternal (the 1990s British "R&B" outfit)?

or a metal band from aus

there is a joy division song named after the sonic youth album too. uh huh uh huh.

When i first read about SY Eternal, I wondered whether it might be a collaboration. That's obviously not true but, thinking about it, the album would've been a sight more interesting had that been the case.

Smashing dancers. (Three of them anyways.)

i was always a bit peeved at Eternal when they got rid of Louise. Pop ethnic cleansing.

They are cracking dancers though. You have to give them that.

it also references the death metal band Hate Eternal

I was thinking she was in All Saints for some reason. But no, you're right. Shame. See, my memory has it that Eternal were a bit on the Brand New Heavies side of the dance thing (ie, not at all).

Yeah, christ, the Brand New Heavies. I remember seeing them once (girlfriend thing). I'd never seen so many cunts in one place before. Although never having watched Paul Weller or been a member of the Top Gear audience, my reference points are limited.

Louise was adorable. Eternal were pop Rwanda.

Ah, mid-90s pop. Who remembers this 'classic'?

I'll tell you what, no irony whatsoever, East 17s 'Stay Another Day' is easily one of my favourite christmas records ever. One of those almost accidental moments of brilliance, especially the final third when the sleigh bells come in. Magnificent.

Oh, God yeah. That, and this, that'd be a perfect double-A side for your stocking.

the episodes of Full House where Uncle Jesse opens a nightclub?

no, because she was white she was the one who got the opportunity of having a solo career

i can't deny that. That Eternal's racism was dwarfed by a greater one hardly gets them off the hook, though.

i just read the eternal wikipedia page, they said the record company got louise to sign a solo deal six months before quitting eternal, my guess is that they thought they were wasting the revenue potential of a pretty white girl by making her stand next to black people.

In essence, that's similar to the the version i've heard: that their management had always had an eye towards Eternal potentially breaking america as an RnB band and that they included Louise only temporarily in an initial bid to break the UK market. As far as I know, all parties were aware she'd eventually go solo so, while it wasn't underhand, the whole band do seem to have been conceived in accordance with contrasting industry 'requirements'. Either way, I'm sure it happens all the time.

Just look at Atomic Kitten.

Is there an SY cover band?

i can believe that, an interracial band would be a far less likely to be lucrative in america.

Just look at Boyz II Men.

Just look at Color Me Badd.

Color me Badd, yesterday:

LOLklahoma

i should have been more specific, a mixed race band where white people are in the minority won't be as lucrative in the USA as it presents a version of intregration that a typical american would find terrifying, i.e. whites as a minority working as equals with dark skinned people.

Prussian Blue got shot of their black drummer pretty quick I notice.

Reminiscent of that ill-fated month's tenure for that poor marimbaist in 2 live crew.

Don't let's forget NYHC emo hopefuls Shift and their 90's EP Sunflower...

these bros seem to be pretty popular

^^^ I deleted my "Just look at TV on the Radio" post because I'm not sure they qualify as R&B.

There's always going to be an exception to every rule. I saw a black fellow in a swimming pool recently and he seemed to be doing a pretty good impression of someone swimming. I also know a jewish chap with no overt anxiety towards his mother. The rule still stands though.

what was this thread originally about again?

in the meantime:

Yes, but TV on The Radio have the angle of being black and playing indie rock, which is to say, that while racism is largely deemed extremely unfashionable in the indie rock community, this trend is not reflected in the record collection or listening habits of an indie rock listener who will most likely have less than 3 records made by black people in their collection, so to quell their anxiety as to whether they are really a racist in denial, the indie rocker buys a record made by TV on The Radio that a) allows them to imagine themselves as appreciating cultural & ethnic diversity but b) doesn't really stray too far into the scary territory of the non-white. Thus TV on The Radio corner their particular market.

I 100% agree

The only problem is that question of what black music 'is'. I tend to think that hip-hop is a global enterprise; jazz has been about a white audience (and, increasingly, white players) for 50+ years. Reggae is good because it's from the West Indies, not because it's played by black people (with a few exceptions - UB40's first LP anyone?). Indie like TVOTR is poor because it's poor; white people aren't alone in their ability to make poor music, as TVOTR prove. I have some mbrira records - are they black or just good? SYG, PLEASE DECIDE THE ETHNICITY OF MY RECORD COLLECTION.

you should try explaining that to "the white guy", you racist!