mosque at ground zero
 

why is it most americans still equate muslims with terrorism?

I still equate christianioty with mass genocide and tyrannical destruction of knowledge.

Christ knows. But the fact that muslims have been praying there for the last year seems to be lost on the idiot protesting.

To be honest, England is pretty much the same.

Most religions have their stereotypes: Jews are all meant to be mother-fearing neurotics, catholics are all meant to be guilt-ridden, buddhists are peaceful, protestants are puritanical, rastafarians aren't punctual, muslims blow shit up. You're nothing in the world of religion until you have your own associated stereotype.

Probably because 1. the constant diet of hate and fear fed to us by the MSM 2. the fact that the Koran does not allow for peaceful coexistence with other religions.

people get fed the fearmongering.

scared people will not save money. they will spend it, making the rich richer.
scared people will allow theitr government to do anything at all to "keep them safe" or at least "feeling" safe.

all religions suck shit.

Heard a good quote:

Equating 9/11 terrorists to Muslims is like equating the KuKluxKlan to Christians.

Why do some people still believe that Barack Obama is a muslim or that he was born outside of the USA? There are people who believe this shit and when they get told they are wrong they still continue to believe this shit for fear of looking ignorant and uninformed when that is exactly what they are, and are not willing to learn anything other then their uninformed ideas.

2 in 5 americans, (or 'mericans) are functionally illiterate.
they beleive whatever they heard twice.

fucking morons.

everything they are upset about is based on lies todl by those who stand to gain by keeping people stupid and ill-informed.

it is to be a community center, located in a now-vacant building, 3-4 blocks away from the WTC site, in a space that used to hold a Burlington Coat Factory. a community center with a chapel in it is far far different than an actual mosque.

I wish people woudl get more upset as to why it has been ten fucking years and NOTHING is built at the WTC site.

Who had this brilliant idea?
And who will take the decision?

I don't like or support ANY president from ANY party or lack there-of, but this has also been upsetting me.. its like shit, doesn't america remember just a year or so ago when they were all pissed off because they thought his Christian pastor was to radical?


that I believe explains EXACTLY why most americans believe misinformation, both about islam and christianity (such as the anti-catholic vibe of american protestantism even though the puritans burned as many people at the stake as the inquisition ever did ;) )

I can easily agree that this mosque is in poor taste for its location, and that is obviously incendiary, but what upsets me is the level of backlash against Islam and Arabs from Americans, the fervent racism and xenophobia and needless hatred and bitterness.. From Israelis living in Jerusalem or folks living in the former Soviet countries I can understand completely, but Americans we got it spoiled when it comes to jihad..

All this backlash has revealed that it has nothing to do with poor taste or sentiments, it is racism and hate and nothing more or less.

it used to be "the commies". For 50 fucking years the big unseen enemy was "The COMMIES" and americans were indoctrinated into commie-fear at every opportunity.

Now we are being indoctrinated into "Muslim FEAR".

Just the new convenient scapegoat, especially in a country where Muslims make up a very small minority, just like communists once did.

No one freaked out when crack-ass white CHRISTIANS blew up the FBI building in Oklahoma, or set a bomb to go off in crowded atlanta olympics.

actually, they did.

and in Obama's first year in office he got a lot of shit for his cabinet issuing a national advisory statement to ALL law enforcement to be extra diligent in watching out for America's traditional terrorists, extremist right-wingers who assassinate abortion doctors in the churches, blow shit up, and spew all kinds of hate-speech..

the republicans had a field day, but their head was up their ass.

The traditional domestic terrorists in America is indeed a Christian nutjob or extremist anarchists BUT the key words in there was nutjob (not Christian) and extremist (not anarchist).

Jihadists blow up more shit in their own countries, just like our own domestic problems create our own domestic terrorists, and religion is not necessarily the driving factor.

hate is the problem, not the peaceful or intelligent ideologies which contributed to the hate.

for sure.

people will only hear that strange word "muslim" and forget about the fact that it is a teeny tiny minority of Muslims that advocate this terror shit, and an even tinier amount that actually take part.

but that matters not when we need the masses to keep spending their money.

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

No one freaked out when crack-ass white CHRISTIANS blew up the FBI building in Oklahoma, or set a bomb to go off in crowded atlanta olympics.

but you didn't get this total surveillance state reaction - after OK the Feds didn't start harvesting all out emails and phone calls and financial transactions and phone friends and email directories etc.

Its funny the catholics raped thousands of young people in the US but no one seems to be saying they should be prevented from building new faclitites. Rob has it dead on, - the power elites are engineering this new crusade, but I'm no more a fan of islam than any other organized religion - the Quakers gave us Nixon fer chrissakes - I especially hate the way islam treats its woman.

hmm this band Windhand is ok

yes, but just as some people are hearing christianity and associating all Christians with the tiny minorities who burned witches and protestants, who blow up abortion clinics and who mercilessly support zionism in the name of Jesus, these are also an extremist minority..

the problem again is hate. counter hate with perfect, unfeigned love, and love unfortunately must be cultivated, there is no instant gratification with perfect love, because it comes from the heart and not the intellect, and out of comfort we humans prefer to use the relatively secure realms of our minds rather than the mysterious realms of the heart.

Looking back on the McCarthy era of American History is pretty much all you need to know.

so ... people are all up in arms about the muslim version of the YMCA? c'mon, really? that doesn't warrant a nationwide freakout.

This is how the average US citizen is seen outside of the US

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx7CfSCTpgU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpHGLXZ-j-Q&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2rJB...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCPAXgrm2U&feature=fvw

and a bit of fun

http://www.youtube.com/user/ChaserCh.../4/oV2pPQVlIT0

I haven't focused much attention on the mosque debacle. But I agree with SuchFriends that the location is a pretty bad call. But even then, it's what, several blocks away? Beyond that, I couldn't really care less about the construction of a mosque/community center whatever it is. And folks are flaring up over it's proximity to ground zero. Though I believe they plan to build a mall right on ground zero. Hmm.

It's a real shame that alot of the country has reduced itself to such generalizing fear and hate mongering. Obviously there's a concern for the extremists as there should be, but to portray that as the whole is just embarrassing.

All I can say is, at least two members of A Tribe Called Quest are Muslim, and how can you hate those guys?

there has been several famous americans that were famous ie cassius clay, malcolm X, elijah muhummad...

from Gregg Easterborook

Why Isn't the Pentagon Mosque on the Front Page? There's a small chance you have heard about a plan to build a mosque near (not "at") Ground Zero in New York. The controversy is puzzling on many levels, most important, that this is America! Freedom must not be an empty concept. Freedom of religion means freedom of religion. The basic bargain of the First Amendment, as regards speech as well as faith, is that the sole way to protect the right to opinions and beliefs is to protect all opinions and all beliefs, keeping government out of the business of deciding which ones we like or don't like.


The people who attacked the United States on 9-11 may have called themselves Muslims, though clearly were breaking the tenets of their faith. All religions have produced a few murderous fanatics -- we don't hold this against the faith when Christianity or Judaism is involved. Baruch Goldstein, raised as a Jew, used a machine gun to murder 29 Muslims in 1994 in Hebron. Goldstein was a monster, not a religious believer, and was breaking the tenets of the faith he claimed. No sensible person would say that because of Baruch Goldstein, synagogues should not be built on the West Bank. Timothy McVeigh, who called himself a Christian, murdered 168 people with a terrorist bomb in Oklahoma City, and it's clear to everyone he was breaking the tenets of his faith. Why can't we understand the same thing about the 9-11 killers? No one would object to a Christian church being built near the Oklahoma City terror bomb site.


Here's what really puzzles me -- with all the snarling hatred on display regarding the proposed downtown New York mosque, there's been no discussion of the mosque that already exists inside the Pentagon. This worship space is quite close to where a plane flown by murderers struck on 9/11, and has caused no problems. The Washington Post buried the story on page A-11, while most newspapers and newscasts haven't mentioned the Pentagon mosque at all. If the people who work inside the Pentagon can see past their differences and embrace religious tolerance, how come this is impossible for people such as Newt Gingrich?


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Muslims are the new boogeyman. they scare white folks.

I don't see how anyone can object to the site. 9-11 is done and gone I feel for the folks who lost loved ones but the has come to move on. I would believe that the location for the mosque is beneficial to the folks who will pray there and the center for the children to use located where they can get to it safely.

And that's not to mention that all this blatant racism will get a chance to at least placate in years to come. How come nobody ever mentions that predominantly muslim neighbourhoods and their surroundings in big Western cities are also some of the safest to live in?

it is NOT a Mosque

It is NOT at the WTC site

Here are photos taken by a NYC photog of other businesses as close or closer to the WTC site as the proposed community center.
http://daryllang.com/blog/4421

Wasn't there supposed to be a party at ground zero?

when I was in NYCin June last year we went by the WTC site, after going by the old Murray street studios.

There is absolutely nothing there except for a massive pit and a huge construction area.

How long did it take to build the World Trade Center? Hmm.


work was started in 1966.

tower 1 was finished in 1970 and tower 2 in 1971.

so with 40 year old tech, they built those two buildings in less than adecade.

it has been a decade and there is NOTHING on the WTC site worth mentioning exccept the massive basements and subbasements

what the FUCK?

this is it in April of this year

 

it is huge project, but is it the corruption in NYC politics keeping this down? How many mobsters a nd teamsters and racketerering fucks are milking the funds away from the project? How many people have had to get their hands greased just to get this far?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...nd-zero-mosque

Charlie Brooker 'hilariously' lampooning YET ANOTHER FISH IN A BARREL TARGET. God, he is such a cunt. But some of you Americans/ non-liberals might not have come across his insidious brand of tosshousery yet.

you're picking on the wrong gangs - this is all due to the corporates and political elites of both parties - power plays by the Port Authority and Shorenstein.

meanwhile, we're distracted from shit like this. The US is a rape culture: now if you want to travel (and they will roll this out further to include buses and trains) you either get photographed naked and irradiated or physically violated. THE TERRORISTS WON!

TSA's Frisky New Pat-Downs


— By Jen Phillips
| Tue Aug. 24, 2010 1:43 PM PDT


If you're traveling this summer and don't want a TSA agent to see your graphic full-body scan, you might have to opt for a grope. Reports have surfaced that passengers who've refused to go through the TSA's expensive and invasive body scanners have been treated to a more rigerous pat-down. "If anybody ever groped me like that in real life, I would have punched them in their nose,” one male traveler told the Boston Globe. “It was extremely invasive.. actually probing and pushing and seeing if I was concealing something in my genital area.”
The new "enhanced" pat-downs are different in that screeners are using the front of their hands to probe sensitive areas instead of the backs of their hands as they had previously. Another difference is screeners will use a sliding motion to move their hands over passengers' bodies instead of a patting motion. As one female passenger said, screeners touched her face, hair, and underneath and between her breasts in their search for weapons. These new pat-downs are currently being used at Boston's Logan airport and Las Vegas's McCarran airport, but the TSA plans to roll them out nationally. And in case there was any doubt, these touchy-feely pat-downs are just for those who refuse to have their bodies scanned. If you go through a regular metal detector, one source says, you would only get the regular, back-of-hand pat-down.
I can't say which I'd prefer less: being personally probed and prodded by a TSA agent, or having my body graphically scanned knowing the image has the potential to be saved. Despite the TSA blog's bold declaration that "TSA has not, will not and the machines cannot store images of passengers at airports," a lawsuit turned up evidence from DHS that the machines had indeed stored more than 2,000 images for "test purposes." The Electronic Privacy Information Center has filed a motion to immediately halt TSA's use of scanners pending an investigation, but until then, the agency's stance is clear: get scanned or face the consequences.

absolutely, but they are milking it for all its worth and we're talking billions - ask the biggest milker of them al lGhouiliani who has made millions living off his bullshit leadership after 9/11.

Its the 9/11 Industry. But only certain people are allowed to milk 9/11.

they sell 9-11 baseball caps, i think that kind of kills the deal.

None of the people they are talking about are the ones selling these caps though, Jon Boy...

just goes to show everyone wants to make a buck.

The planned "ultra-mosque" will be a staggering 5,600ft tall – more than five times higher than the tallest building on Earth – and will be capped with an immense dome of highly-polished solid gold, carefully positioned to bounce sunlight directly toward the pavement, where it will blind pedestrians and fry small dogs. The main structure will be delimited by 600 minarets, each shaped like an upraised middle finger, and housing a powerful amplifier: when synchronised, their combined sonic might will be capable of relaying the muezzin's call to prayer at such deafening volume, it will be clearly audible in the Afghan mountains, where thousands of terrorists are poised to celebrate by running around with scarves over their faces, firing AK-47s into the sky and yelling whatever the foreign word for "victory" is.

Who knows, maybe Sarah Palin is getting her aviator's license right now, so she can fly a plane into it as soon as it's built.

You know what they say..."Never forgive, never forget"...

Not that it really has anything to do with the whole thing...

this topic involves both religion AND politics... must avoid [eek]

i literally have no idea, or interest in what you just said. to be honest its...zzz

A response.

I can't believe next year it will be a decade since 9/11/01. It doesn't seem that long ago. Maybe its because there is so much footage and imagery out there, and its the only terrorist attack on U.S. soil that I can think of that actually has recorded footage of it happening.

you know there is a actual mosque/muslim worship space in the PENTAGON? and not too far from where the supposed third plane crashed into it either.

fuck NYC