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I'm weirdly excited about this.

i like the live album they put out this year, but none of their studio work has done anything for me since CODY.

favorite existing band...looking forward to the new LP, but pissed that i'll be out of the area when they hit town on tour.

Will check it out, but I bet the song titles are better than the actual songs.

another shitty Mogwai album, i guess (bear in mind i used to be a real fan back in the day).
they should have stopped after Rock Action.

Why don't you start a 10,000,000 dollar fund to make them stop?

I think the hawk is howling is one of their best ever and that live made me think it even more seriously listening to the live rendition of my fav tracks off it.
That said, to deem as shitty something that you haven't even heard yet is pretty stupid overall, moreso if you're an "old times fan".

hardcores long dead, mogwai's long crap and i'm unfortunately still alive to bear witness to these facts.

My thoughts precisely. And this is from someone with a Mogwai-based username. They were untouchable a decade ago, but the last one I gave more than a handful of spins was Happy Songs. Still worth it live though.

no, he was a 'real fan' :rolleyes:

nicfit, i agree w/ you that THIH is their overall strongest release to date.

I don't know why every time I try listening to Mogwai now I just have to switch it off. I'm not implying that their first two records and the EPs around that time aren't good, it's just probably something to do with myself.

Buh, I know lots of people who can't listen to them (not, or not only, because they think they're "bad", they just can't...somewhat similar to what GD said).

And I can live perfectly fine knowing that lots of people hate/despise/simply don't like/don't care about the music I like, it's not a "problem" for me.
And I know slavo isn't stupid at all, it's that "this will be shit" aprioristic attitude that I can't understand.
Obviously, anyone has the right to say "this is shit" after listening. haha.
Or to have an aprioristic "I don't give a shit about this" stance.

aaaaand this is another reason why I'm quite excited, hope I can make it to the italian dates, it's been a while since I last saw them (happy songs tour perhaps).
Again, the live they released is soooo filled with great tunes (with loads of subtle stuff going on in distortions and shit) I hope they'll live up to it during this tour.

Totally agreed.

Can't wait to hear it!


I pity all who can't enjoy Mr. Beast and Hawk Is Howling. Well.. most of their fan base is bitchy UK fans.. can't be helped.

Still one of Britain's best live bands. Which makes the records which are merely ok-ish all the more disappointing. I think that's probably where the bitchiness comes from.

I agree for people to find their latest releases merely ok-ish, but to say they've been pure shit, is unfair. There are many hidden gems just waiting to be unearthed in their latest albums. Example; Folk Death 95, We're No Here, and Scotland's Shame.

I prefer beyonce.

Mogwai gave me one of the best concert moments of my life. I will forever be a Mogwai fan.

The first record is excellent, and live I've enjoyed them big time. The second I quite liked, but somehow by then it was over for me. It's not that I don't think they're any bad, because I don't even really know what they did after then, and I can only recall hearing couple of things off Rock Action. It's what they do, and that's cool. They're just not the sort of band I need to hear as things stand now. Another one is Arab Strap. Good band etc, they often seemed to deal aspects of everyday relationships and sadness that I now don't find they should merit particular attention, or certainly not that way. That's the way it goes here.

I find them too one-dimensional and limited musically, that's it.

Sure, cool. They were my favourite band when I was about 15. Definite overkill for me, to the point where I'm not sure if I've listened to their last couple of albums, if I in fact bought them. Part of the problem with this forum is that there's a lot of us who struggle to restrain how jaded we are towards stuff that was exciting over a decade ago. So you might want to disregard the opinions of, say, me (although, in fairness, I am fucking amazing).

By no means I dislike them, but their music is just rather formulaic (although I guess most rock music is, at least in their own context).
All the melodramatic piano / guitar arpeggios followed by the predictable crescendos I find pretty dull. They're pretty good at doing elevator music for the indie crowd.

That's said, MYT is pretty awesome album at times. And I can see that they're not taking themselves too seriously.

I'd like to see them live and they're coming here again in the spring, but the tickets are ridiculously expensive... Fucking adult contemporary classic rock kind of prices.

Personally, I listen to my Neil Young and David Bowie etc records as much as newer stuff now. I have never been a fan of superficially getting into a particular musician, but some bands just don't cut it in a lasting way for me, that's all.

The problem for me with a lot of these bands is that they are ambivalent towards the position they're in too much, and it shows in the final product. This half-arsed, indie, insecure attitude when it comes to being an artist fucks around too much for my liking.

Well, the calm-noise patterns are quite obvious indeed*, but there's sooo much going on in those distorted parts that I wouldn't say they are predictable. Devil's in the details.
It's far from just high volume fuzz (?), and I do think they properly "mastered" this kind of stuff only later on in their career rather than in the first bunch of releases.
I get your point btw.
Just for the record, I do not intend to "convince" people about some overlooked goodies/overall quality in mogwai's latest output, I just do find the (legitimate) critiques a bit superficial (the "personal reasons" are excluded heh), but perhaps it's because people posting them don't want to waste too much time typing about a band they're not that interested in lately, ha ha :).


I'm not sure I get what you mean in your last post, GD, but it seems to have more to do with the attitude of a band/artist than with their music.

speaking of mogwai: they always seemed to not take too seriously what they do, hell, in italy they started gigs with the national football team jerseys and "j'amme a lavurà" as background music while walking onto the stage.

speaking in general:

I guess a debate on the "enjoyability of music produced by cunts" would deserve a proper thread.
I said somewhere else that, luckily, I manage to enjoy "the music" without caring much about "the artist". If "the artist" is an interesting individual (to my eyes), better yet. If he's a cunt (and not of the good kind of cuntestry) I usually just don't care and at all and stick to the music. Could be derived also by the fact that I have not too much time to spend reading interviews etc, so I tend to form a rather non-in-depth opinion on the artists, unless I'm really interested for some reason. But even when I form a bad opinion on "the person" I still can enjoy "the music" with no particular qualms.

whuwh, say hello to mr.Off Topic post.

* even if predictable in "form", a good song remains a good song, imo.

I'm just here to say I love Mogwai and am ready to fight using various shotguns to defend them. And I am dead serious.

thanks for letting us know you are only effective at close range.

What's your favourite music? You're meant to be a musician but only post about hatred for it.

I fucking love mogwai dude! favorite music is rock.

i did not say i am ONLY ready to use shotguns. this was a secret tactic so that people do not know i also own long distance missiles.

oh wait i just debunked myself :eek:

also
sounds like something one could ask to mark e smith

MES would give a better answer as well.

and kill a squirell

are we still talking about Mogwai here?

Of course not you cunt.

ooh.

uh leaked already.

Well that's 53 minutes of my life I'll never get back. If anything, it's even more crushingly dull & predictable than expected.