Unabomber's Montana land for sale; 'very secluded'
 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_unabomber_property

I wish I had some spare change. I'm a total sucker for shit like this.

So buying this.

Too bad they couldn't have left the cabin on the property.

Speaking of Logic, how is that a murderers house gets put in a museum?

In PR circles, they call that good press. Can we stop doing that please?

I <3 mass murderers.

Can't really blame people for being interested in the weird/abnormal. People will always be fascinated by this stuff.

I thought you were talking about Phil Laaak, the true unabomber.

The same logic that gets encyclopedias of seria killers published and also may be the logic that inspired smone to make colorado tees with blood all over them.

Are you saying it's all about the benjamins baby?

Looks like where I live at now.

old theo is an interesting soul.

twas the CIA themselves that prob set him on his path to muderous madness.

its true! im not pulling a tesla on you guys!

He also participated in a multiple-year personality study conducted by Dr. Henry Murray, an expert on stress interviews.[8] Students in Murray's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)-sponsored study were told they would be debating personal philosophy with a fellow student.[9] Instead they were subjected to a "purposely brutalizing psychological experiment"[9] stress test, which was an extremely stressful, personal, and prolonged psychological attack. During the test, students were taken into a room, strapped into a chair and connected to electrodes that monitored their physiological reactions, while facing bright lights and a two-way mirror. Each student had previously written an essay detailing their personal beliefs and aspirations: the essays were turned over to an anonymous attorney, who would enter the room and individually belittle each strapped-down student based in part on the disclosures they had made. This was filmed, and students' expressions of impotent rage were played back to them several times later in the study. According to author Alston Chase, Kaczynski's records from that period suggest he was emotionally stable when the study began. Kaczynski's lawyers attributed some of his emotional instability and dislike of mind control to his participation in this study.[9][10] Indeed, some have suggested that this experience may have been instrumental in Kaczynski's future actions.[11]

he's a right wing hero. there is a lot of truth in his idea, but they are possessed with the same monomaniacal all american madness for self sufficiency and utter isolation that you find in extreme right/libertarian folk. delusions. not wise choices. you just die alone that way. you don't really get any edge over the rest of modern techno industrial civilisation, not unless the societal collapse he prophesizes is gonna happen a few months after you've gotten nice and cosy in the wild. and even then, what's the point? all those leftists you so hate can just as easily round up some weapons and come and find you in the wild if they want to.

and so what happens if it all DOES collapse but you survive out there in the wilderness. are you gonna just stay out there ALONE FOREVER. what would be the fucking point in that kind of life? unless i suppose you want to wait out the collapse of civilisation and then socialise with the other survivalists who remain in their isolated huts after everyone in the cities is dead. and so what happens then? WHY GRADUALLY YOU START TO SOCIALISE MORE AND START A NEW CIVILISATION LOL.

and also, the guys a murdering asshole. many of his victims lost sight or fingers or whatever from their injuries.

keep him in jail. i might read the anthology of his essays that is coming out this year. i kind of feel bad that the guy will prob die in jail and not get one last walk around the forest before he dies tho.

I'd really love to own some of John Wayne Gacy's paintings.

Jonathan Davis used to own Ted Bundy's VW.



I'm pretty sure he sold it off once he started a family though. What a shame.

He did sell it.

And ya probably already know, but Merle Allen has several pieces of art by famous serial killers up for sale (including Gacy). Not all of it is too outrageously priced, either.

those paintings kick ass! except not as big a fan as that first one.

i dont wanna own any of his art. fucked up motherfucker aint gettin my money

but if I'd posted this you would have been attacked by the bully team that is assigned to this board. Sad that you can't post truth without having to apologize, but they've done their job well.

seems like a lot of money for an 1.4 acre in Idaho is it? I can buy 20 acres in Vermont for that.

what?

do you mean if you had posted this you would have been attacked by the bully team?

well i don't know. maybe. but that's cos its funny. i mean if you had just posted it then prob not but if you had posted something about how he's a hero then i would have def been up for some troll fun.

who are the kardashians?

i bought an acre with a mobile home on it for $30,000

Dude was an artist, no doubt. + As with with any other celebrity, I wish more people were willing/able to separate some personal decisions he made from his talents. I mean, why not? Murder and art are not the same thing. Murder can be art (to some...), and art can be murder (to others)...but the two are still very different.

Seems some think we should pay these folks little to no attention, in hopes that that any memory/record of them will fall of the face of eternity. Shit just doesn't work like that...not as long as people exist.

Gacy will go down in the history books, just like Jimi Hedrix, Sid Vicious, John Lennon, and Jesus...of course, some will remain in the history books a bit longer than others, but this means very little. They'll all be there for the rest of our lives, our children's lives, our grand kids. This doesn't mean any of them (Jesus included) are worthy of being worshiped or mimicked...but all are worthy of being considered. They all offered something the masses took seriously, which means that there are lessons to be learned about ourselves and those around us from absolutely every one of them.

his art is shit.

you can't seperate it from the man. both were shit. he has nothing to teach anyone except as a bad example.

i will not give him cotributions for the evil not just in his head but that he acted upon with absolutly no remorse. i do see the fascination with staring into the mind of evil, but i don't think it is right for ppl to profit from thier crimes while they are in jail for it no less.

They seldom do, at least not in the way of money. Charles Manson and Gacy have/had little use for money..sans whatever sits in their prison accounts, which can be spent on little sans necessity items/snacks. Shit most of us consider to be no big deal.

The real profit goes to those that obtain these pieces of art (often times for free) and sell them.

From what I hear Manson never receives any money for the seemingly endless films/books out there claiming to detail his life. I wonder how much money Guns + Roses made as a result of covering "Look At Your Game Girl"? How much did Vincent B. bring in for "Helter Skelter"? People, often times those with next-to-no connections to these individuals, are the ones making serious profit. I think this has a lot to say about the society/world we live in. Most everyone finds this shit interesting in one way or another.

In others words, a Manson (or whoever else..) painting that goes for $700 dollars...he will likely see very little if any of that money. And even if he got all of it, what's he gonna spend it on? Stamps? A bag of chips? Maybe occasionally a bit of pot (which is a substance often "bartered" in the prison system as prisoners aren't really supposed to keep cash).

Bad examples are extremely necessary, as sad as that sounds.

not in that case.

How do you figure?

well, you know, at least for ME personally, i didn't need john wayne gacy to kill all these people so i could work out that serial murdering is wrong.

i don't get the thing people on here and some i've met in real life have for serial killers.

unless it is some sort of idiotic nietzschean vanity trip "OH THESE GUYS CAN SEE THAT LIFE IS LIKE SO NOT SACRED UNLIKE SOSCIEETEE OMG WOW SO COOL ITS LIKE THEY JUST FOLLOW THEIR DESIRES".

fuck off.

one time i witnessed someone start ranting about how if their music "career" didn't "get them famous" they would go on a random murder spree just so "like" it would be "like so fucking omg" because a guy went on a murdering spree then "like" killed himself and "like" "left all these albums behind."

and to this day he's neither dead or made any music that isn't shit. what a surprise.

He's a case study. Without these case studies, we are less likely to understand those that WILL go on to do similar things in the future. Does this mean I'm thankful for them? That's a bit extreme, BUT...I can see the value in these sorts.

If it weren't for them, I suspect we'd see far more people who think their actions boil down to "evil" as opposed to mental illness (which, I for one think it is....). If the actions of these sorts are to ever stop, it's very important for us to not only have theories/speculations, but an actual understanding of what drove them to be the sorts that they became...wether that be negative experiences in their earlier lives, or some medical condition they were born with.

For some they mean little more than entertainment, sure...and entertaining they are. Nothing really wrong with this. most that read up on Gacy, like you, don't need him in order to realize that killing in wrong.

you know I like the gnr:) I myself am very interested in crime shows murder stories the gruesomeness. For me it is a way of facing life's adversities. I know they aint got shit to spend on shit whatever shit they make, but I just don't give a fuck about money so someone else can have it. Creation of the hands of evil and he was one evil motherfucker. im not saying you do but alot of ppl assume that evil is genius and sometimes...alot of times it just is not. Simply human nature gone mad.

yeah yeah. i don't care enough to talk about this with you but there is no need for what he did to happen and it does not some how enlighten us all to the material version of truth that claims evil is just an imbalance of brain chemicals.

there is no logic there when you say there is some use in people doing these things so we can research them in order to prevent people doing these things in the future.

that was to swa and not gail btw

I don't think evil is genius, but then again I don't think good is either. Good people do bad things, bad people do good things, etc. The intelligence of an individual can not always be determined by simply looking at their actions alone.

Gacy might strike me as talented, but genius...no way. Manson might strike me as being a bit crazy (as well as talented),,,but genius, in the way of "above average intelligence", for sure. Dude might be "evil" (by your definition), but he was and is no doubt a highly intelligent individual....as far as I can tell.

People were once imprisoned for lifetimes for doing things that today are often prevented via proper medications. How you can find a way around this is beyond me. These medications didn't drop out of this air, they came as a result of studying the lives/actions of those like Mr. Gacy.

on the topic of mental illness and I have watched everysingle crime show and interview known to man. There is a difference it is a very thin line but there is a difference. i do not judge those that have a mental illness and end up that way. i do feel sympathetic for both parties. THis is just one of those topics that sits on such a line that it gets mind blowing to think about too deeply.

I can understand that, it tends to have this effect even on me at times.

if pyschiatric medication prevents a crime it is because it basically gets the person too stoned/dazed/drowsy/physically unable to be in a frame of mind to commit the crime. it does not somehow upgrade the moral cogitations of the brain.

the method is the same as imprisonment, because it is a form of forced distraction that limits the ability to commit crime.

it is a mistake to think that the person on the medication would live their life the same way they would if they weren't on it only because they are on it they are less likely to say decide to pull a trigger.

Not true....unless of course you believe chemical imbalance in a myth. Many live very healthy/non-stoned lives while on medications. This is not to say that there aren't those that abuse their meds, or are in an experimental phase to where the right meds haven't been discovered yet.

Mental/emotional disorders can drive people to do things the healthy-minded would not.

I think he had the capacity to talk a good line of shit and the ability to manipulate people as a survival tactic from years in reform school...