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nature scene 08.16.2006 08:28 PM

Which of these issues is most important to you?
 
This is a tough poll because you can only choose one, but i'm trying to get an idea of what matters most to people here.

EDIT:

Nevermind, I made it so you can choose more than one

HaydenAsche 08.16.2006 08:28 PM

I'm too fast. I'll tell you when the poll is up.

LittlePuppetBoy 08.16.2006 08:29 PM

where's the poll?

HaydenAsche 08.16.2006 08:30 PM

SETTLE THE FUCK DOWN, MAN.

The poll is coming.

Alex's Trip 08.16.2006 08:30 PM

What exactly do you mean by "education"?

nature scene 08.16.2006 08:32 PM

i'm not explaining anything, you can explain your own answers. Take the choices as they are.

HaydenAsche 08.16.2006 08:32 PM

Where is 'finding a husband'?

That concerns me more than any of that other boring trash.

nature scene 08.16.2006 08:33 PM

Sorry, I'll add that next time.

Oh yeah, let's also say that if you choose more than one you should rank them in a post.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 08.16.2006 08:34 PM

the edu

LittlePuppetBoy 08.16.2006 08:34 PM

I chose climate change, because environmental issues really concern me (I am a life long animal lover). Every thing I read about involving massive environmental destruction (like the tearing down of rainforests) brings me close to tears.

HaydenAsche 08.16.2006 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LittlePuppetBoy
I chose climate change, because environmental issues really concern me (I am a life long animal lover). Every thing I read about involving massive environmental destruction (like the tearing down of rainforests) brings me close to tears.


Are you a vegetarian or a vegan?

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 08.16.2006 08:37 PM

edu is the most important though because it teaches people how to mend human society.

LittlePuppetBoy 08.16.2006 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HaydenAsche
Are you a vegetarian or a vegan?


neither. I kind of exagerrated the close to tears thing. It's more like makes me depressed for a bit.

HaydenAsche 08.16.2006 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LittlePuppetBoy
neither. I kind of exagerrated the close to tears thing. It's more like makes me depressed for a bit.


Wow. I don't even like animals that much and I'm a vegan. You're a cunt. You care about enviromental issues the most but you really don't give a fuck about them?

acousticrock87 08.16.2006 08:44 PM

Malnutrition and Disease. America is not a microcosm of the world, so even though education and poverty are a big deal here, they aren't going to be extremely helpful in the big picture. A great education is not essential to solving the world's problems, though it may be essential in order to get into a position to be taken seriously. While I'd like to see the government, big businesses, and megacorps pitch in a lot more money, even then it doesn't seem like that much money is required. They just need to use it.

However, I don't give all that much to charity, so I could certainly do better. And I don't understand the economics of everything. I could be looking in the wrong place.

k-krack 08.16.2006 08:48 PM

I said war & climate change, because with war, it seems like people wanna keep fighting til there is no one left to kill, and climate change is gonna take quite the toll on the earth. so we need to take action on both these fronts, stop fucking up the environment and ourselves so that no apocalyptic things happen. i didn't exactly say it well, but you get the picture.

Alex's Trip 08.16.2006 08:50 PM

Well, I guess I would have to go with education, as it is the most personal issue. It is really the only one that affects me directly.

nature scene 08.16.2006 08:51 PM

acousticrock,

Well, I have a degree in economics and I can tell you that you have the general idea. Malnutrition and disease pretty much hinder a society from advancing and thus create poverty. Education, however, is a key and the important key to lasting change. People must understand malnutrition and disease before they can properly deal with these things. I also believe trade barriers are important because they can connect the struggling world to the well-to-do world and allow for the exchange of ideas and the products and services of change.

acousticrock87 08.16.2006 08:55 PM

That's true. I guess what I meant about education is that we already have people who should be able to address that stuff, especially malnutrition, but we just don't seem to care enough about it to put their brains to maximum use. Though what you said makes sense - ultimately education is what's most important.

k-krack 08.16.2006 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex's Trip
Well, I guess I would have to go with education, as it is the most personal issue. It is really the only one that affects me directly.


i beg to differ. i'm not trying to be a prick or anything, but that is a kind of small-minded thing to say. although it may affect you personally, with war and disease and climate change, they most likely will affect you personally at some point in yr life. with war, who knowns maybe things will get so out of control that people will start being drafted again, and climate change, fuck the worlds environment, and disease.. well, speaks for itself.

Alex's Trip 08.16.2006 09:03 PM

Yes, those things might affect me at some point, but at the moment they don't affect me as much as education or as directly as education.

k-krack 08.16.2006 09:05 PM

I see what you mean, disagree as i may.

GeneticKiss 08.16.2006 11:38 PM

I chose everything except Education, Malnutrition, and Immigration.

Cantankerous 08.17.2006 02:07 AM

they are all important in their own way.

Tokolosh 08.17.2006 03:16 AM

A good upbringing and education is where it all starts.

jon boy 08.17.2006 03:19 AM

i think poverty is a reason why a lot of bad things happen in the world. certainly a few on there so we should eradicate that.

alyasa 08.17.2006 03:22 AM

Are you kidding me? All of them, of course.

LittlePuppetBoy 08.17.2006 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by HaydenAsche
Wow. I don't even like animals that much and I'm a vegan. You're a cunt. You care about enviromental issues the most but you really don't give a fuck about them?


Just because I choose to still eat meat doesn't mean I don't care. It's more of the constant search for resources (some of which are reusable, yet we choose not to) and constant development of wild areas that concerns me. I don't understand why people keep destroying forests that are beautiful and turn them into desolate wastelands, and instead of trying to replant, they just move onto another one and destroy that.

Also, in the case of the animal world, it's a shame that many creatures that have been of interest to many will probably be gone in about 30 years (like Polar bears, believe it or not). That is what concerns me.

Tokolosh 08.17.2006 09:17 AM

Ha! You're pretty aggressive for a vegan Hayden? :D
I wouldn't want to know what happens, if you ate a bloody T-bone steak. :eek:

LittlePuppetBoy 08.17.2006 09:19 AM

I wonder what his reasons are for being a vegan then.

gmku 08.17.2006 11:44 AM

War. What's it good for? Absolutely nothin'.

touch me i'm sick 08.17.2006 11:44 AM

poverty war and disease

HaydenAsche 08.17.2006 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LittlePuppetBoy
I wonder what his reasons are for being a vegan then.


It's better for you. I'm only concerned for myself. Fuck everyone else.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokolosh
Ha! You're pretty aggressive for a vegan Hayden? :D
I wouldn't want to know what happens, if you ate a bloody T-bone steak. :eek:


It is probably my lack of protein.

LittlePuppetBoy 08.17.2006 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HaydenAsche
It's better for you. I'm only concerned for myself. Fuck everyone else.



.

not exactly. If your a vegan for your entire life, then you can suffer from stunted growth, since you don't get the healthy amount of protien you get from meat. And you can't get vitamin B12 from anything that isn't from an animal (it's an ESSENTIAL nutrient).

I choose to eat meat for nutritional reasons, since humans are naturally omnivores anyway, and none of the animals I eat are endangered, at risk of becoming endangered or cannot be bred easily.

HaydenAsche 08.17.2006 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LittlePuppetBoy
not exactly. If your a vegan for your entire life, then you can suffer from stunted growth, since you don't get the healthy amount of protien you get from meat. And you can't get vitamin B12 from anything that isn't from an animal (it's an ESSENTIAL nutrient).

I choose to eat meat for nutritional reasons, since humans are naturally omnivores anyway, and none of the animals I eat are endangered, at risk of becoming endangered or cannot be bred easily.


I'm 6'5" 185lbs. I'm not real concerned about stunted growth.

You're still a hypocritical cunt. Realize this and I'll acknowledge your existence.

atari 2600 08.17.2006 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokolosh
A good upbringing and education is where it all starts.


That's what I voted as well, since I also am also a reasonably intelligent person.

Tokolosh 08.18.2006 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HaydenAsche
It is probably my lack of protein.


Eating a dirty Mc Donalds veggie burger is a good enough reason to go on a killing spree. Don't forget your vitamin B6 & B12 supplements. They are crucial.

alteredcourse 08.18.2006 04:28 AM

i voted for individual liberty , and saw that it is currently the most popular vote . is that maybe because it all starts with ourselves ? that trying to think of societies as whole units is actually getting us running in circles , and that it all the issues on the poll are affected by each unit , and not the herd , ultimately ?

porkmarras 08.18.2006 04:29 AM

gay rights

sonicl 08.18.2006 04:33 AM

I've voted individual liberty, because I see that as being about respect for self and respect for others, and, somewhat idealistically I know, I like to think that mutual respect would engender a climate from which all the others concerns would be naturally addressed.


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