Originally Posted by Adolfo

since this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rg3sAb8Id8

Originally Posted by gast30

imagine you have smart girls (with clothes on and not tested on animals make-up + eat vegetarian)

Originally Posted by LifeDistortion

Its an old debate and I think a simple question is asked. Who has influence over your kid's attire or behavior. Is it the music and tv they are watching? Or the parents raising the kid? Just because a pre-teen girl wants to wear short skirts and belly baring outfits, doesn't mean the parents should allow them to. They can idolize these people all they want. It all has to do with how they are being raised. The same people who make arguments about pop music on television are the same people who want to censor music and movies. I have always found it a bit funny how the UK mainstream media overblows any teenage trend it seems and, and are quick to say its corrupting the youth. Like when Stanley Kubrick had to pull "A Clockwork Orange" from the theatres due to copycats. Its not like America hasn't had its own moments of blaming crime on certain music or movies, but this knee-jerk get rid of if attitude that seems to happen in the UK is rather ridiculous.

Originally Posted by demonrail666

I have to agree with pretty much everything you say there. We have a tabloid media in the UK which basically thrives on that kind of hysteria, be it scapegoating movies (the whole video nasties thing, banning Childs Play) to inspirings mobs to burn down the houses of paediatricians. There's obviously something that needs to be done not just with shops willing to sell trainer bras with 'porn star' written on them, but the parents who obviously felt happy buying them until they were banned. If parents didn't buy them there'd be no reason to ban them, the companies wiould simply not bother manufacturing them.

Originally Posted by LifeDistortion

Its an old debate and I think a simple question is asked. Who has influence over your kid's attire or behavior. Is it the music and tv they are watching? Or the parents raising the kid? Just because a pre-teen girl wants to wear short skirts and belly baring outfits, doesn't mean the parents should allow them to. They can idolize these people all they want. It all has to do with how they are being raised. The same people who make arguments about pop music on television are the same people who want to censor music and movies. I have always found it a bit funny how the UK mainstream media overblows any teenage trend it seems and, and are quick to say its corrupting the youth. Like when Stanley Kubrick had to pull "A Clockwork Orange" from the theatres due to copycats. Its not like America hasn't had its own moments of blaming crime on certain music or movies, but this knee-jerk get rid of if attitude that seems to happen in the UK is rather ridiculous.

Originally Posted by kinnikpasswordforgetter

the only thing that needs banned is the daily mail.

Originally Posted by demonrail666

What scares me about the Mail is that it seems to reflect and pander to the view of a worryingly large section of the British public. Now if there was a way of banning them, then we might be getting somewhere.

Originally Posted by kinnikpasswordforgetter

its not all bad

Originally Posted by demonrail666

What scares me about the Mail is that it seems to reflect and pander to the view of a worryingly large section of the British public. Now if there was a way of banning them, then we might be getting somewhere.

Originally Posted by kinnikpasswordforgetter

last time i read the mail it was just peter hitchens bursting into tears that the 60's happened and we aren't living in a theocracy where he gets to personally inspect the length of school girls skirts to make sure they meet his official targets.

usually, peter hitchens is bursting into tears about something. or if he's not he sounds like he's sitting in front of a rain drizzled window on a dreary tuesday shaking his head and muttering. as if he's too deadened by the weight of defeat and hopelessness to do anything but watch the droplets slide down the glass. droplets that stand in for the tears his broken soul is now too empty to shed. the only thing that seems to cheer him up is googling himself and threatening legal action against anyone who has ever said anything about him he doesn't like ever. it's like he has some sort of fragile ego or something, i know that's a pretty far fetched conclusion but i'm just putting it out there.

then you'll get liz jones making another request that all of her readers send in whatever little cash they can afford because she's broke and close to starving. she will reappear in a few weeks with facelift number 46 and some mean person will write a comment about her and the £250,000 home she lives in as if we are supposed to come to some sort of conclusion. we love you liz! what's your address so i can send you half my pension this week? don't worry love, i might go a day without food but i couldn't bear to see my favourite columnist starve.

then you'll find melanie phillips berating us for not cheerleading for israel. she'll try the angle that we 'aren't real men' and are probably some sort of homosexuals. maybe if we send her the corpses of some palestinians she can eat them and god will be pleased with her. she does have the complexion of someone whose liver is giving her problems due to too much cannibalism.

melanie phillips has an interesting approach, it involves getting indignant and then throwing random facts, assertions, imaginings, over heard assumptions and down right fabrications into a pot. then she pisses in it, then mixes it with spittle and dandruff and scoops up the slop and let's it dry out on the radiator. once it's hardened she tries to divine some sort of 'hidden right wing truth' from it but if it's too hard she let's her own 'women's intuition' fill in the rest. in real life, most people are so put off by her that they find it best to just let her have her 'little shout' and then move on. people don't often challenge her on it, which is a shame because i think she would really enjoy this. she's like a lonely dog that never gets walked barking madly in the back yard, demanding attention, but if she gets it's only annoyed people trying to get her to settle down. then they will turn their heads away and try to ignore her all the more. maybe peter hitchens should invite her round for a crying session.

then it just descends into an incoherent malestrom of SCANDAL OUTRAGE SHRILL SHRIEK WIN A MILLION WIN A LIFETIME OF BOOZE YOU'RE TOO FAT YOU'VE GOT CANCER YOU'RE GOING TO GET CANCER LOOK AT THESE SEX CRIMES AREN'T THEY SHAMEFUL HERE LOOK AT THE EXPLICIT DETAILS NOW HERE'S PICTURES OF SOME CELBERITIES 13 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER IN HER G STRING ON THE BEACH PEOPLE ON BENEFITS ARE ROBBING YOU YOU'RE KEEPING THEM ALIVE WHEN THEY SHOULD BE GROUND UP AND FED TO YOUR HORSES IN THE STABLE OF THAT MANSION YOU'RE GOING TO GET WHEN YOU VOTE TORY AND WIN A MILLION IN OUR SCRATCH CARD GIVE AWAY ARRGGHHHGHRAHRHARHARHAHRAHRAHR!

Originally Posted by candymoan

the big issue is porn becoming more mainstream

Originally Posted by kinnikpasswordforgetter

last time i read the mail it was just peter hitchens bursting into tears that the 60's happened and we aren't living in a theocracy where he gets to personally inspect the length of school girls skirts to make sure they meet his official targets.

usually, peter hitchens is bursting into tears about something. or if he's not he sounds like he's sitting in front of a rain drizzled window on a dreary tuesday shaking his head and muttering. as if he's too deadened by the weight of defeat and hopelessness to do anything but watch the droplets slide down the glass. droplets that stand in for the tears his broken soul is now too empty to shed. the only thing that seems to cheer him up is googling himself and threatening legal action against anyone who has ever said anything about him he doesn't like ever. it's like he has some sort of fragile ego or something, i know that's a pretty far fetched conclusion but i'm just putting it out there.

then you'll get liz jones making another request that all of her readers send in whatever little cash they can afford because she's broke and close to starving. she will reappear in a few weeks with facelift number 46 and some mean person will write a comment about her and the £250,000 home she lives in as if we are supposed to come to some sort of conclusion. we love you liz! what's your address so i can send you half my pension this week? don't worry love, i might go a day without food but i couldn't bear to see my favourite columnist starve.

then you'll find melanie phillips berating us for not cheerleading for israel. she'll try the angle that we 'aren't real men' and are probably some sort of homosexuals. maybe if we send her the corpses of some palestinians she can eat them and god will be pleased with her. she does have the complexion of someone whose liver is giving her problems due to too much cannibalism.

melanie phillips has an interesting approach, it involves getting indignant and then throwing random facts, assertions, imaginings, over heard assumptions and down right fabrications into a pot. then she pisses in it, then mixes it with spittle and dandruff and scoops up the slop and let's it dry out on the radiator. once it's hardened she tries to divine some sort of 'hidden right wing truth' from it but if it's too hard she let's her own 'women's intuition' fill in the rest. in real life, most people are so put off by her that they find it best to just let her have her 'little shout' and then move on. people don't often challenge her on it, which is a shame because i think she would really enjoy this. she's like a lonely dog that never gets walked barking madly in the back yard, demanding attention, but if she gets it's only annoyed people trying to get her to settle down. then they will turn their heads away and try to ignore her all the more. maybe peter hitchens should invite her round for a crying session.

then it just descends into an incoherent malestrom of SCANDAL OUTRAGE SHRILL SHRIEK WIN A MILLION WIN A LIFETIME OF BOOZE YOU'RE TOO FAT YOU'VE GOT CANCER YOU'RE GOING TO GET CANCER LOOK AT THESE SEX CRIMES AREN'T THEY SHAMEFUL HERE LOOK AT THE EXPLICIT DETAILS NOW HERE'S PICTURES OF SOME CELBERITIES 13 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER IN HER G STRING ON THE BEACH PEOPLE ON BENEFITS ARE ROBBING YOU YOU'RE KEEPING THEM ALIVE WHEN THEY SHOULD BE GROUND UP AND FED TO YOUR HORSES IN THE STABLE OF THAT MANSION YOU'RE GOING TO GET WHEN YOU VOTE TORY AND WIN A MILLION IN OUR SCRATCH CARD GIVE AWAY ARRGGHHHGHRAHRHARHARHAHRAHRAHR!

Originally Posted by knox

don't lower the standard kis

Originally Posted by Keeping It Simple

Give enough monkeys typewriters and you'll get a post from kinnikpasswordforgetter berating the Daily Mail.

Originally Posted by knox

in my ideal world, he'd be writing for the daily mail.