Is Speculative Realism Worth Understanding?
 

I've read the wiki entry and still can't quite work out what it's all about. If anyone can help explain to me what an 'object centred' philosophy that's 'resistant to philosophies of human finitude' means (and if it's actually worth bothering with) without simply linking me to an equally vague website, I'd be seriously grateful.

I see it as a fundamental core of reclaiming Kantian metaphysics without recourse to 'suppressed narratives' of Theism, viz, a 'properly' atheist outlook that doesn't even admit the possibility of Theism (unlike Dawkins, for my money). Object centered philosophy is kind of a way of talking about 'the real' (as such) without recourse to the kind of metaphysical jumps that Adorno criticises Kant for. It's possibly not as volatile an Atheism as Dawkins, but much, much stronger - (to my mind) it removes even the possibility of Theism entering the dialogue, vernacular, semiotic or suppressed predicates of a general metaphysics.

Hamilton-Grant is great (first translator of Lyotard!), as is Meillassoux, but I'm unsure about the others, and Collapse is really, really patchy.

(Clear as mud, no doubt)

it sounds like looking at a discoball and keep thinking about 'something'

is philosophy not outdated in these modern days
like the F16 that i have seen flying today
looked like oldtimers
the army made the wrong investments
they better had invested in the drones they have today
(ofcourse it would be better if there was no war ever)

metaphisical realism is like an experience like sex
chemical reaction happen in the brain
and that is that

in the infinite universe nothing happend
the morning of the next day is always the same
no matter what chemical reactions are happening in the brain

the modern sober thinking is sterelized information
when information comes into my brain
for example of a cel devision under a microscoop
sterilazed information = a cel division . [end information]

if a human sees a spirit or a reincarnated soul or something else growing in that bacteria activity
then that is information pollution

that is how i think
sterlize information = cut the endless crap

Yeah, that's also true. Something to think about.

Thanks to both of you.


I don't see how it can be. Certain philosophical positions can obviously be outdated (even if they're usually revived at some point) but so long as certain questions of existence remain unanswered (or at least arguable) I suppose there'll always be a need for some kind of philosophy, at least.


OK, that makes sense. I'm taking it that (a)theism isn't so much rejected as dismissed as irrelevant; neither position being in any way verifiable. A kind of hyper-scepticism?


That's the bit I'm more confused by. It's not empricism because it appears to reject any absolute faith (being the operative word) in the senses but then seems to have a similarly unverifiable faith in there being a seperation between 'the real' and our perception of it. Although I take that as the result of a fundamental misunderstanding on my part.

it's outdated because there is nothing in the universe
i mean it by that

i might have a natural curiosity about life
so i found out i'm 98% chimpanse simulair in evolution design
i look what chimpansees do
they wake drink eat, flea eachothers back, look at the trees and go to sleep
now i wake up
drink water eat vegtables and go to sleep
the next day
drink water eat vegtables and go to sleep
and so on till my last day
for 100 winters and summers
always doing the same things

my curiosity is statisfied by an electronicmicroscope for the micro cosmos
and hubble for the macro cosmos
all that information that is entering my brain
doesn't change the lifeform me

my life compas still pionts in the directions of water and food
my life compas doesn't focus on the moon or on mars because of modern information, because there is simpely no food

if i'm going to look for food and water i'm not going towards the dessert
so if there is nothing in this infinite universe
my lifecompas and that from the shimpansee are paralel like the dna simularity
that is how i wake up in the infinite universe
where there is nothing
so i can't philosophate about something
allways the same waking up in the infinite universe
about 6 billion sapians have a compas towards a god or a hopefull imagination
i wake up in the same day as them
only thing is i have an unchanged life compas
i don't have a heavy slave stone in my brain

my brain is sterilized
the only information allowed in my brain are
where the vegtables are and where the water is
outside from that i don't have the need to even use my brain for philosphy
even i can enjoy brainfood
it's happening inside a sterilzed brain

so telling this to demonrail who lives in england
and is also going to wake up in the same day as me
don't forget to brush your theet
and have a good night

when you wake up
maybe you know how i wake up

Wow, gast30's English has ''slightly'' improved on this thread, hasn't it?

There are things that unite us as a species. We need food, and water and sleep and our purpose (on a purely biological level) seems only to procreate. Science does a good job of explaining those things while philosophy (like art and/or religion) deals with those things that get in the way of us simply being able to fulfill those quite basic needs and roles. Why do we have a seemingly irrational capacity to love or feel compassion, for example? Why do we need to communicate for reasons beyond basic self preservation? Those are things that science doesn't help us with but which some of us still need answering, hence our ongoing need for philosophy (and art and/or religion), I suppose.

why do we kill and cook and eat each other? why do people masturbate to balloons?

i'm going to try to explain some questions from my brain to yours
do know not with a brain or thought of dictatorship of truth
to convince you or win over your brain

why do we have irrational capacity << this is good use of words, to love or feel compassion?

1.you stay, like you said, in the purly biological level
from there think and ask questions: why does this biological state feels or has feelings tools?
think of a biological form like a fish or something
it comes out of water for example
the fish feels a hard surface and devellopes a hardskin to survive on land
feelings are created from evolutionairy constructions for the purpose of improving evolution

compassion is a reaction from an automatic-mirroring-feelings-from a same specie for your brain to understand what is going on

someone is on the ground dieing of hunger and has pain
in my mind i can sort of mirror the situations
and after that see what i can do
having this reaction is not going to help the same specie in pain
my capeability to help in real actions could help

it's sort of something like that
i hope i could explain it a bit from that kinda vieuw

feelings are an evolutionairy tool
why doesn't an ape go to sleep on broken glass, feels not good
(or why did sapians never made beds from catus )
why does an ape sleep on somethings soft, feels good

why do i not feel attracted to a misformed chernobil girl?
why do i feel attracted to a beautifull body?

again
from a purely biological level
it's because of symetry of the other person
the design of DNA

why symetry?
look again in the microscope
what do you see?
cel division = symetry

DNA looks for other DNA to make the next evolution
the next DNA (baby) is a better DNA designed for survival
not for selfdestruction

here on earth we have gravity
and our vestibular is adapted to earth

in the spacecenter astronauts take medications to balance the vestibular ( who is still in function of gravity

so with space flights if astaunouts fall in love and make a baby in space
that baby would have a bit adapted vestibular
let's call it DNA-V1
DNA-V1 falls in love with another DNA-V1
and their baby would be DNA-V2

and so far our lesson for love in the future
can you see your grand childeren fly away in a space ship lol

children should be the products of love
not selfdestruction

Fair enough, but isn't this just becoming an argument about the value of philosophy itself, rather than helping me understand a certain branch of it?

At the end of the day it's nothing but complete bollocks for the pseudo-intellectuals of the chattering classes to rabbit a load of fucking shit over it.

yes, i'm not quite helping you
i have to put brain energy into these branches of philosophy to give my thoughts around it
instead of telling my perspective of the value of philosophy itself
it's true
maybe i blow myself a bit up here in your thread

alot of branches in the realism
the thing that plato sez about idea's in the ideaworld are (or can) realer then material objects
made me think of lourdes, that pilgrimage cave in france

so a woman sees the holyvirgin maria in a cave
millions of people come to that cave where maria was seen or something
that is an good example of what plato is saying

the idea that maria was there is stronger then the reality that you are looking at a cave

speculative realism? i coudn't find much about that

what's real

Just ordered these two off Amazon, so I'll see how things go:

i think i might write a book in the near far future
about the unspoken influence of the earths magneticfield and the interactions it has on biological level

if you take an airpicture of cows in a field
the group of cows are alligned with the magnetic field

the subdimensional realism i call it

biosphere interaction
if the human brain uses this magneticfield tracs is unknown
maybe during evolution our brains have shaking off that connection
or our brain with alpha and beta waves is still sensitive for magneticfiels
don't know if this feng shu is about these things

what i do know is that some turtles have magnetic minerals in their brain where they navigate with, like a natural gps

soo..
my book subdimensional realism is in FEB 2012 in the stores
lol

interesting books demonrail

now i was thinking about that turtle ............................
if the magneticfield of the earth changes
can this turtle still navigate or will it be disorientated?
or can it use something else to navigate?

to analyse these questions
-you have to know if there a cycles in magnetisme
for example: that 25 years the magneticfield pionts to northpole and then for 25 years this pionts to the southpole, and this in those cycles

then the turle would have (during X- years evolution) it's navigation systems adapted for that 25 year cycle of magnetic change
the turle has no problem with the magnetic field change

or it can navigate on something else

this also made me think............
of the satellite that is or is going to be in orbit for the measurments of magnetic fields
and other satellites to follow a hurricane like irene
makes technology usefull to survive
in a sort of climate change created by wrong use of technology

so you can start a discussion about that and how the species that have made those technology are using it and what the effect is on the specie

for example: einstein E=mc²
he gets recognition, a golden medal in the sience kinda way
then the a-bom is there
then someone makes a nucliar reactor, gets a golden medal
a proud nation, proud to be modern ect.

chernobil explodes, people who have nothing to do with the nucliar plant have to sacrifice themselfs to clean the mess
today it's still not clean
not to speak about other nucliar bom testing zones

when things go wrong the specie doesn't take responsibility

the specie likes to have a golden medal and continue these modernizations
without looking at the selfdestruction this causes for future generations

modernization selfdestruction by intelligence?
or does the sapian need to adapt it's modernization in function of future generations?

ofcourse it has to
the future generations still needs clean water, air and food
as other land animals

so a specie clims out of the trees and starts to walk
it develops some tools and during X time it can do alot with those tools

if the specie makes questions and thoughts inside it's brain
this doesn't mean that the specie has changed the reality of the universe
everthing is still the same as the specie lived in the trees

because a specie makes a tool it doesn't mean it changes reality of things or objects

i make a tool (spaceship) > fly to mars > come back to earth
a tree is still a tree
a horse is still a horse
water is still water

nothing in the universe is changed

people can philosophize about things till the end of it's short life

i see it as a fundamental core of reclaiming krispy kreme metaphangals without recourse to 'suppressed narratives' of floppy, flippy and flappy, a 'properly' atheist outlook that doesn't even admit the possibility of floppy, flippy and flappy (unlike dawkins, honey). object centered philosowangals are kind of a way of talking about 'the real-ass bitch' (ah sh*t) without re-recourse to the kind of metaphangal jumps that bumbledumble criticises krispy kreme four. it's possibly not as volatabulous an atheism as dawkins honey, butt much? much stronger? to my mind it removes even the possibility of the ism entering the dia(ss)lo(l)gue, vernacular, semi(er)otic or suppressed predicates of a general metaphysiculation.

hamilton-ramilton? great (first translator of leopard - gggrrrrrr!), as is meill(ass)oux, but i'm unsure about the others, and a patchy patch is really, really patchy.

it's all best descibed as a dog that is turning circels to catch it's own tail

the humanshaped evolutoin came down from the tree
develloped walking and running
develloped tools
these tools give correct information of building blocks of life

the humanshaped evolution still can adapt to return to live in the trees
flexibilty of evolution in peace with the modern information

or adapt to live on another planet

modern information freed the humanshaped evolution
from beeing a dog that turns circels to grab it's own tail
the human had during evolution a tail
like many treeclimers

so while reading this from behind your computer
this text is about 50 cm away from your reptile brain

and i'm not interested in you reading this
i just look at the stars
at the infinite universe like a treeclimer and debrainwash
so i can speak to you out of my sterilized brain

the reason why i say this is that we know soo much

from the skincells on your toe that renew
to your heart that pumps oxygene to your brain
to the human body in the 3D scan that can be vieuwed towards the smallest detail

from eco-systems of nature to the water on mars
after the human has gatherd all that information it can

life is sterilized from information pollution
humans who are then still looking for answers or god
can't be helped
they are the dogs that want to bite in their own tail

why ?

because the focus of human
it keeps looking for something
even if there is all this modern information

sometime in your life you need to be carefull with having a focus
don't let it become a tunnel you walk into and endlessly keep walking in

the brain focus of modern humans today, in the modern sience, are
on dark matter, quantum fysics, higgs particle, big bang..

the brain focus of religious people is the nextlife
the day that they gonna meet GOD

i had no real focus during my life
been interested in modern information and visuals
after swimming through that

it helped me to understand more of life
it has had it function
now that is over

when evolution don't need something it shakes it off
like humans shaked of their bodyhair

so don't get lost in a focus
there is nothing in the infinite universe

what happens inside the bioactivity of an evolution created species brain
is only real there if it believes it itself ( the brain that believe it)

so..
if i inside the bioactivity of my brain think there is a dinosaur
in my garden

then that can only be in my brain

or if i think that in recent born child, the soul of my grandmother is landed

then that can be only in my brain

so the only thing that can be real

is oxygene going to your brain

like it's doing since the transformation from sea animal to land animal

there is still nothing in the infinite universe

welcome to the future
welcome in the universe of the modern human

with a more simple use of words

i mean
that the oxygene in my brain is real
my brain itself is real
the brain of other specie is real
planet earth is real
mars is real
the landrover on mars is real
all stars, black holes, galaxies are real
the movement of the expanding of the universe is real

and that is the happening you experience in a 1 cycle lifeform functioning on bio-activity

if all sapians die out, lets say tommorow
like the dinosaurs has died out

all other species with or without brain
are still in this universe
where earth is real, mars is real, the expanding of the universe is real ect.

i can't explain it much more clearer then this
in what is real
and what is not real

true nature & creul nature

a mother with child go trough the woods
a bear comes and kills the child and eat it
this "we" or the mother calls creul

a mother sheap (<spellings mistake, just for the fun of it ( a cheap mother?? where??) and her lamb are eating grass in a field
a human comes and kills and eats the lamb
this "we" call tasty meat
the acceptable order of predator and prey (intelligent or not isn't the issue) is the true nature of evolution in function of surviving

1 sapian brain is for 100 years active and then it dies naturally
is that cruel?

a glapagos turtle can become 300 years

now lets go to all sapian DNA from 1800-1899
they are all dead (only the +111 years old sapians DNA who are still alive today)
all DNA from 1900-1999
most of them are still alive (like me ofcourse), large populations that are old aged + overpopulation
all DNA from 2000-2099
some are born, others are on their way

so a galapagos turtle is born in 1800 and dies in 2100

all the sapians from 1800-1999 are dead in 2100

1 sapien lives and dies for about the natural*life*time it has

is it cruel that i'm going to die?
no, it's a natural happening
nothing more

creating a thought of a superpower GOD in your brain
isn't changing the natural happenings of bacteria origin lifeforms

the turte has been on earth 300 years
swimming and eating
true nature

sapians kneel and pray and warship other sapians, a fictive power or object
an untrue nature
an un real nature

only the sapian animal is acting strange , unnatural
(not all sapians kneel, pray and warship ONLY 6.000.000.000 of them)

i'm here 34 years
walking and eating
and when i'm 100 years i have no bio-activity in my brain
a natural happening

with other words

a sapian that goes into the dessert
and believes that when he is thirsty
a god is gonna come down from the clouds and give him a glass of water
is out of true nature reality

it's gonna die like all other animals would die in the dessert without water

information pollution is not an evolutionary advantage

From what I can gather, the point of speculative realism isn't to question the existence of the real but our ability to perceive it.

that is a good formulation, sounds very wise, thanks 666

~unformulated formulas was the flow of letters never to reach the mailbox of the writer, neither the end of the book~
from Hermit Avenue

of to 2012 then
lol